Democratic Primaries
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Financial TimesThe similarities between Mr Sanderss campaign and Donald Trumps in 2016 are apt. Each has militant supporters who are happy to indulge in social media harassment and character assassination. Barely half of Mr Sanders supporters would vote for Mr Bloomberg if he became the nominee, according to a recent poll. That share would almost certainly rise as the spectre of a Trump second term loomed. But Mr Trump would only need to capture a slice of the Bernie Bro constituency the politically incorrect element of the US senators base to tip the election his way. That is what happened in 2016. An estimated tenth of Mr Sanders supporters voted against Hillary Clinton.
Mr Sanders is trying to do a Trump-like hostile takeover of the Democratic party. He enjoys similar tactical advantages. Like Mr Trump, Mr Sanders has benefited from a packed field of conventional candidates who have spent most of their firepower attacking each other. Wednesdays debate was the most combustible example of that so far. Like Mr Trump at the same point in 2016, Mr Sanders is spurned by his partys establishment. Nowadays that is taken as a virtue. A single Iowa legislator endorsed the senator from Vermont before the states caucus this month against double-digit endorsements for most of the others, including Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Mr Sanders nevertheless won the most votes.
Finally, like the US president, Mr Sanders believes he is heading a movement, not a campaign. People who lead causes do not drop out. They fight to the bitter end. Billionaires do not drop out, either. Anyone who thinks Mr Bloomberg will fold if he underperforms his first real test is on Super Tuesday in early March, when about a third of US states will vote is not paying attention. The former New York mayor has sunk $400m of his wealth into this race so far. That is roughly a tenth of his probable annual return from his $54bn personal fortune. He could do the same 10 times over without touching his capital. One terrible debate will not change that even if he has to spend millions of dollars cleaning it up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
joost5
(421 posts)This is exactly what will happen if we don't nominate a moderate to lead the ticket. I love Bernie but nothing will get done if we don't flip the Senate blue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Center" political position.
Is that clearer?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Posing an opposite view?
You mean like Trump supporters demanded an article finding corruption in the Clinton Foundation when there was an article about corruption in Trump's foundation?
Or a demand to "balance" an editorial on the Trump administration that wasn't flattering to him with one that is?
My understanding is that "both-siderism" in an attempt to publish as many negative pieces on HRC as Trump was a bad thing in .2016.
That said, I don't have a subscription to FT, so I can't search articles. You'll need to ask the author of the OP, because they clearly have access to the content.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)That's what "least biased" means.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,901 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Asked if the candidate with the most pledged delegates should be the Democratic nominee even if that candidate did not have a majority of pledged delegates Sanders said, the will of the people should prevail, yes. The person who has the most votes should become the nominee.
It is the opposite of what Sanders and his campaign said in 2016, even after Hillary Clinton had secured the majority of pledged delegates.
The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is best for the Democratic Party, Sanders said on May 1, 2016. And if those superdelegates conclude that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate, the strongest candidate to defeat Trump and anybody else, yes, I would very much welcome their support.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/bernie-sanders-pushed-contested-convention-2016-now-he-wants-avoid-one/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,484 posts)Do superdelegates consider ratfucking effects? I've become skeptical of polls, even as they influence voters determined to thump trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"give their right nut for superdelegates right now" after Trump won the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,901 posts)popular vote and lose the election. Oh well, those are the rules so no hard feelings.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
No hard feelings?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,901 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)But he'll win bigly in CA and NY, right?
I guess that will give us some small comfort during Trump's second term.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,901 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Bernie lost and decided the ship was going down with him.
Did everybody learn the lesson that the Bernie Busters taught us then???
There was supposed to be a lesson, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,901 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)The Financial Times (FT) owned by the Japanese Nikkei, Inc. is in favor of everything financial. It's perspective is what's good for the current filthy rich is good for the world. They like capitalism, and try not be too judgmental about socialism but they do lean in favor of capitalism and the filthy rich's interests.
So, of course they don't like Bernie. I wouldn't trust them to fairly rate a liberal socialist as I wouldn't trust the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall street Journal to fairly rate a liberal socialist.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"in favor of everything financial?" You mean that reporting on financial issues is "sinister?"
Hon, if that's sinister, then Sanders becoming rich selling his books on those icons of capitalism, Amazon and WalMart, is "in favor of financial." And the fact that a chunk of his wealth is due to annuities and mutual funds held by Jane and he has profited financially from a nuclear waste dump that he created with legislation certainly indicates Sanders "leans in favor of capitalism," don't you think?
MediaBias is a good source for determining if a source is weighted to the Left or Right.
Just because a source isn't weighted Left, doesn't mean that it's weighted Right...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Anyone being honest knows FT is a biased site in favor of the big money elite and is no
friend of Progressive policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)throwing insults is certainly easier than actually having a rebuttal when being shown some painful truths, I suppose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rustynaerduwell
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Sneederbunk
(14,314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,429 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fran2020
(40 posts)Bernie is taking on powerful corporations and big banks, and they push back. But Bernie has a MOVEMENT!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(51,053 posts)measures has he accomplished that takes on Wall Street elites.
Can you point to any legislation?
Exactly how has he "taken them on"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thank you for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? - No that was Warren...
Dodd Frank Act? - No that was Barney Frank...
Stop Wall St. Looting Act? - No, that was Warren, too
But tell me what I've missed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They're in Jane's name, of course, but still, that's very much invested in Wall Street.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/24/where-bernie-sanders-money-comes-from.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)After Mike's disastrous performance in Las Vegas that's where I see this going.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)he never should have been allowed to run as a Dem, but Perez allowed the St. Bern's cult to twist his arm, and we allowed the media to twist all our collective arms into believing that a woman/person of color wasn't "electable" for those great masses of midwest white folks...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden