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uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:08 PM Feb 2020

There are ***NOT*** going to be enough revolutionaries to make up for losses

... IN SWING STATES in areas of lower enthusiasm

- because of what socialism stands for in older generations minds
- for the less than popular MFA vs Pub option.
- for "your middle class taxes are going to go up by I don't know how much"

That Sanders presents!!!

********THIS IS A FACT AND FACTS MATTER****

the Sanders campaign nor his supporters have presented much evidence behind any consistent Sanders appeal for the swing States screw national polls they don't mean anything it's the swing states that mean a lot.

has anyone out there heard a logical explanation on those three points from anyone from Sanders could anyone else articulate what their answer for these things are?

Thanks in advance for your input

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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There are ***NOT*** going to be enough revolutionaries to make up for losses (Original Post) uponit7771 Feb 2020 OP
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2020 #1
Southeast is Trump if Sanders is nominee evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
+1, not just the southeast there's four or five Midwestern states that are just done if Sanders is t uponit7771 Feb 2020 #10
So, what is your solution? Bettie Feb 2020 #3
A better cross-party HCI policy than MFA!! That's still an instant loser in those swing States!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #5
At this point? Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #9
Source? nobuddy Feb 2020 #4
People of color are not going to come out for those who terrorize them for decades uponit7771 Feb 2020 #6
why would they vote for trump? nobuddy Feb 2020 #7
Terrorize them with overtly and openly racist policies that's not Trump that's Bloomberg. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #8
I just think they won't show up. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #13
i think counting Feb 2020 #20
We'll see, I guess. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #22
Actually they will if this person can beat dump. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #11
That's the thing Bloomberg North Sanders has shown any consistent swing State polling that shows ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #12
I am voting for the person who is winning by the largest margin in the swing states period.... UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #14
THIS !!!! and I need months of aggregated polling not a couple of snapshots showing Bloomberg uponit7771 Feb 2020 #15
I think we should flood the boards with swing state focus, that's all I can do right now cause ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #16
I now live in NE PA HockeyMom Feb 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #17
Focus lonely bird Feb 2020 #18
THANK YOU !!! The M$M and polling companies need ratings and still focus's on national and party uponit7771 Feb 2020 #19
FWIW, most swing state polls released yesterday don't seem to show him doing worse democrattotheend Feb 2020 #21
That's why I said consistent, flash polling and outliers don't count at all right now. 2 months uponit7771 Feb 2020 #23
What swing state polls do you have showing him doing worse? democrattotheend Feb 2020 #24
in the last 3 months ?!!! Any of them, he's been with MOE of Trump or losing uponit7771 Feb 2020 #25
I'll say it again ibegurpard Feb 2020 #26
Not a matter of voting against so the first statement isn't relevant. I'm talking about NOT... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #28
Socialist has better chance to win in 2020 than last 90 years at140 Feb 2020 #27
We agree, a socialist does have a better chance in 20 years of winning that doesn't mean the sociali uponit7771 Feb 2020 #29
Not a fact, not based in facts Lordquinton Feb 2020 #31
Please show Sanders history of consistent swing state leads greater than MOE uponit7771 Feb 2020 #32
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. Southeast is Trump if Sanders is nominee
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:09 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
10. +1, not just the southeast there's four or five Midwestern states that are just done if Sanders is t
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

.... And not because he yells but because his stupid ass policies

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,132 posts)
3. So, what is your solution?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:11 PM
Feb 2020

Tell everyone who isn't your candidate to drop out?

Seriously, you can't stop someone from running. So, perhaps we should wait to panic until after, oh I don't know, more than two states have voted?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
5. A better cross-party HCI policy than MFA!! That's still an instant loser in those swing States!!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:12 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,425 posts)
9. At this point?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

I am resigned the likelihood Sanders will win the nomination and Trump will be reelected. I am am talking to my daughter about his to survive a progressive young woman in a red state in Trumpmerica. She will be spending her undergraduate years watching the destruction of the modern Republic and perhaps the doom of the planet. I hope her generation can restore it and succeed where mine has failed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
6. People of color are not going to come out for those who terrorize them for decades
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nobuddy

(215 posts)
7. why would they vote for trump?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
8. Terrorize them with overtly and openly racist policies that's not Trump that's Bloomberg.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:16 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,425 posts)
13. I just think they won't show up.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:18 PM
Feb 2020

We need a HUGE turnout of POC. Sanders will not bring that, IMO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

counting

(69 posts)
20. i think
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020

sanders with bloomburg's money might do it....
or sanders with the right poc vp might...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,425 posts)
22. We'll see, I guess. NT
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
11. Actually they will if this person can beat dump. nt
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
12. That's the thing Bloomberg North Sanders has shown any consistent swing State polling that shows ...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:18 PM
Feb 2020

.... That they can


None !!!

The only one who has done this has been Biden

And I don't think anyone outside of trump or Bloomberg has terrorized people of color with openly racist and meant to be racist and hurtful policies

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
14. I am voting for the person who is winning by the largest margin in the swing states period....
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:21 PM
Feb 2020

not who I like the best not for this or that. I have ONE FOCUS and that is to beat dump. Absolutely nothing else matters. I am quite upset that not everyone else has this one focus. I thought after the last 4years that is all we care about...but apparently policy wishes trumps dump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
15. THIS !!!! and I need months of aggregated polling not a couple of snapshots showing Bloomberg
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:23 PM
Feb 2020

... or Sanders doing good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
16. I think we should flood the boards with swing state focus, that's all I can do right now cause ...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:25 PM
Feb 2020

... stupid policies and "revolution" or some bullshit is all the M$M can focus on.

They're still not focusing on swing states to this day save MJ and even they need the ratings by spouting national poll bull.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
30. I now live in NE PA
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:18 PM
Feb 2020

about 40 miles from Scranton where Biden is from. My county voted for Hillary by a very small margin. No campaign signs here whatsoever.

My daughters, their spouses, and I all voted for Bernie last Primary, but voted for Hillary in the General. Younger daughter and SIL are supporting Amy. Older daughter and her wife are for Warren.

I have gone though a process of elimination. No, not Sanders this time. Don't like all the nastiness, attacking other Democrats, plus his age and health. Considered Warren but have eliminated her as well now getting on the same attack bandwagon as Sanders.

I do like how Bloomberg ads are focusing on Trump, as it should be. Know all about Mike as a NYC Native who lived on LI during time he was Mayor. NO, NO, NO more Hillary as a running mate.

Pretty much decided on Biden in the last week. I absolutely LOVE how he said he would like to have Michelle as his running mate. Not happening, but a Biden/Obama ticket?????? Oh, YEAH.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #6)

 

lonely bird

(1,689 posts)
18. Focus
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:32 PM
Feb 2020

Flip 100,000 votes in PA, MI, WI, OH, so-called rust belt states and the Dems can win. Nominate a candidate that can run a campaign to do that. If we have a candidate that gets every single vot in Ca and NY we will still lose due to the electoral college.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
19. THANK YOU !!! The M$M and polling companies need ratings and still focus's on national and party
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

... polling like it matters cause they're not threatened .... YET (there's no doubt Trump would start jailing and killing M$M crew if he had a second term)

I bet if it was M$M kids Trump was taking they wouldn't give a damn about national polling and their ratings


My issue with Sanders is he's shown no appeal in those areas ... NONE and no one even the candidates are making him answer for his lack of appeal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
21. FWIW, most swing state polls released yesterday don't seem to show him doing worse
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:45 PM
Feb 2020

He and Bloomberg were tied for the biggest margin in Michigan, he was in the middle of the pack in Pennsylvania, and in Wisconsin, where they are all losing pretty badly to Trump for some reason, he and Biden had the smallest deficit. Even in Florida, where I expected Bernie to have no chance due to the fact that many people associate socialism with Fidel Castro, he and Trump were tied.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

I share the concerns everyone here has about Bernie being another McGovern, but for some reason polls so far, including swing state polls, do not seem to reflect that. If there's opposition research out there that could change it, then it's time for Democrats to start using it and running ads against him. Either it takes him down or it doesn't, and if it doesn't we'll know he's not as unelectable as some of us feared.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
23. That's why I said consistent, flash polling and outliers don't count at all right now. 2 months
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

... from now he's topping Biden or Buttigeg et al beyond MOE in those states then lets take a look.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
24. What swing state polls do you have showing him doing worse?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:38 PM
Feb 2020

I'd love to see them. There's been a dearth of swing state polling in general and it's frustrating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
25. in the last 3 months ?!!! Any of them, he's been with MOE of Trump or losing
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
26. I'll say it again
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

Anyone who is predisposed to vote against someone because they are a "socialist" is not going to vote for a Democrat. Period. If they tell you differently they are lying. Repukes are calling all Democats socialists and now communists and have been for decades.
Conservatives who say "I would vote for so and so because he's not as far-left as so and so" are making the same argument with you that I do when I tell my conservative family members that I think John Huntsman isn't so bad. It's true but I would never vote for him because I would never vote for a Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
28. Not a matter of voting against so the first statement isn't relevant. I'm talking about NOT...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

... voting FOR ... meaning people stay at home or the enthusiasm stays within politicos and has no cross appeal which is showing in the swing states for Sanders in the last 3 months

Your second statement confirms the word enthusiasm ... Of course I wouldn't vote for a republican if there was a choice between a sane democrat and a sane republican but if the democrat was a TEXT BOOK genocidal* racist like Trump be damned if I'm not holding my nose and voting for a republican that year.

That goes away if said republican was seen as a less than better contrast, I'd stay home ... and that's what people are going to do with someone who calls themselves a socialist, supports MFA and says taxes are going to go up for the middle class by "I don't know".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
27. Socialist has better chance to win in 2020 than last 90 years
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

Because the NON_SOCIALIST governments for last 90 years since the great depression have ignored the bottom 66%
who are major part of bankruptcies due to healthcare bills, they can't afford to send kids to good college causing rip-roaring high student debt levels, their family incomes are stagnant while food, healthcare and college tuition keeps galloping ahead.

Yeah, the middle class is so badly squeezed, a socialist sounds worth the risk compared to what is happening to them now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
29. We agree, a socialist does have a better chance in 20 years of winning that doesn't mean the sociali
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020

... has a wining chance compared to those who've had consistent history of swing state appeal.

We don't win without the swings states

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
31. Not a fact, not based in facts
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:23 PM
Feb 2020

We really need to start rallying and supporting the front runner instead of throwing fits that our guy isn't winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
32. Please show Sanders history of consistent swing state leads greater than MOE
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

... keywords consistent history.

He has none, my post was based in history

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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