Nobody knows. I remember that being the reason to vote for Sanders, then Clinton. Nobody knows. Dismiss it and look for some spark of greatness in the candidate and share that. “He would win” is white noise. I think 2/3rds of our candidates would win.

At this point in the 2008 race, nobody thought much of Obama. Clinton, now she could win, but Obama, who ever heard of that guy?

“He would win,” sheesh.

I started following him closely after his 2004 keynote speech. I knew exactly who he was and supported him throughout his run. Fact is I knew he was going to win 2008 and 2012.

perhaps you just understood Obama better than others.

I've been right about some candidates and wrong about others. I was wrong about Obama. I wasn't wrong about Clinton, but I was wrong about Trump, if you understand my meaning.

This time around, I think I am right about Buttigieg. But, of course, I always think I'm right until I'm proven wrong. 🤔

You could hear it and feel the momentum, the feet on the street. The momentum. The power of Obama and the people were deafening.

Lots of candidates to listen to, though I have been watching her and others. Way too soon, they haven't even started their campaigns.

Nor did she give the keynote speech. Obama blew me away with that speech.

exception of Beto or Ryan. We are looking at an electoral college win...Mi,WI and Pa..,Ohio would be nice. Now try to consider the appeal each of our candidates has for those areas.I tell you we need to elect someone who can win.

Biden can win, we must select Biden does nothing to further Biden's cause. It has the weight of opinion.

"Now try to consider the appeal each of our candidates has for those areas" isn't an argument either. ALL of our candidates have a reason why they will win those states. Why is Biden's claim superior?

For Buttigieg, for example, I would argue that a popular midwesterner would appeal to the switch voter with his rhetorical style that invites, rather than condemns the Trump voters who are dissatisfied. Additionally, His military service, will be popular in these states because they have sacrificed many sons and daughters to the war effort.

Klobuchar comes from Wisconsin, a border state to Michigan. An argument can be made that she has midwestern appeal as well.

Bernie Sanders has won the most votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, winning Michigan and Wisconsin and garnering 45% of the primary vote in Pennsylvania in 2016. You could argue that gives him reason to claim he will do well there.

Kamala Harris is known in Wisconsin, having campaigned there for Democratic U.S. Sen. Tammy Baldwin. You can argue Harris helped Baldwin achieve her landslide win in 2018.

Trump trails behind Sanders and Warren in Wisconsin polling. Either of them can beat him there.

AND SO ON...

Why would Biden win? Because we need to win is just not the answer to that question.

candidate that said he was a centrist and basically said he was not a progressive and all but called AOC a Socialist? Too far to the left...He didn't say that Climate Change would not be a priority for him that is a too far to the left issue but that we need more moderate answers??

Hey if Joe Biden wins the nomination I will certainly vote for him but I don't think he will.

My post was not necessarily about Joe Biden the person as it was about his Centrist Stand

Yet alone do you even know where he stands on the issues?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

I stated that we cannot win as Republican Lites

"So I think it is obvious that the Democratic Party has moved to the left and no we are not Socialists we are Progressives and that is what we will win on and not by being Republican Lites Joe."

We lose. Consider where we have to win.

About half or candidates have strong claims in those areas and more experience campaigning in them or neighboring states as progressives..

Union membership has fallen by half in those places since Biden last ran a campaign there. His manufacturing chops come from that union vote.

Why do you think he would win there? Leave Obama out of it BTW, he isn't running. What is Biden's appeal there? Where does this claim of superiority in those areas come from?

that we as Democrats cannot win "running as Republican Lites."

Remember what Harry Truman said...

referring to Joe as being republican lite.

Sorry, I read it wrong, and very glad you pointed out my mistake, or stupidity, or both.

Obviously, I was on the wrong wave length, still the implication you are painting is a fine line

Thanks

probably did, but I will not be posting any more controversial posts like this one..

I just want to see that SOB in the White House defeated and the damn Russian backed Republicans in the Senate defeated.

Kamala Harris wants Medicare for all..Too progressive for Joe

as the nominee.

Kamala Harris helped Tammy Baldwin win a landslide election in Wisconsin in 2018. She campaigned for Bob Casey in Pennsylvania. She has allies there and some name recognition. That's recent experience campaigning there, and winning, post Trump.

Why do you say she can't win?

My immediate thought when he gave that answer was that he's out of touch with today's issues and made a BIG mistake by dissing today's progressives. I think it will hurt him in the debates when he will least expect it to. I'm an old lady and have always been a Roosevelt-style liberal with progressive social views and Keynesian economically, and I loved Obama.But I no longer have any patience for neoliberal or "centrist" econoomics -- they're just a different way of saying trickle down. And a middle of the road approach to climate won't save the planet.

sad about this as I would rather what you say is true but reality bites.without moderate candidates in red and purple districts, we would not have won the house .

I will support either Harris or Sanders if they are the Democratic nominee. Will you support Biden if he is our nominee?

"establishment" Democrat? That terminology annoys me.

Answer: moderates in suburban Republican districts. And none of the successful candidates advocated Medicare for All.

I agree that Biden has to be specific. Vague promises are not enough. Which is why I can't support Bernie. I also think Bernie may not survive the general. Come on Joe-marijuana reform, health care, jobs, climate control. It is just simple math, all the cost for the effects are going to cripple us. Want to cut od rates? Legalize pot. Want to cut incarceration rates? Legalize pot. Would you like to promote health choices for elders pain management? Legalize pot. This bullshit of saying climate control/green is too expensive is just that-BS!!
What are the costs for OD rates?? What is the cost to prosecute and jail pot users/home growers?? What is the cost to the health care system for continued disease and trauma caused by environmental factors??

Of course Joe Biden will continue to protect social security and medicare. What he won't be able to do is magically create the world where everyone can have whatever they want and never have to earn it.
Universal healthcare will cost money which means raising taxes. The Euro countries have VAT taxes of around 20% every time value is added to a product. It is basically a hidden sales tax. In fact, tourists can claim refunds on parts of the tax.
https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/money/vat-rates-in-europe
As far as medicare-for-all being a winning issue.
The medicare for all caucus of the house has about seventy members, substantially less than a majority of Democrats. According to Wikipedia, the caucus had over seventy founding members in 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_for_All_Caucus