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Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:32 PM Apr 2019

The Reluctance of Bernie Sanders to Release His Damn Tax Returns Is Part of a Bigger Issue



(snip)

The truth, though, is likely much simpler: By failing to release his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so any minute now, Sanders is being the stubborn curmudgeon he’s always been.

One possibility behind Sanders’s hesitancy is that the returns may show that he made actual money from his book about his 2016 campaign, and is now one of the millionaires, though not billionaires, that he routinely calls out. But the independent senator from Vermont resisted releasing his returns long before he published “Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In,” a New York Times best-seller. As a protest candidate in the last cycle, he barely campaigned until December 2015, only hitting the trail when the Senate was out of session. He didn’t expect to win the nomination, so he didn’t bother with releasing what he considered to be mundane tax returns that would just back up his financial disclosures. The louder the media demanded his returns, the more convinced he became that the issue was manufactured trivia.

For Sanders, the trappings of politics and campaigns are by default either corrupting or absurd in comparison to the scale of the true crises facing the American people. It’s not about political expediency: He doesn’t want his opponents caught up in frivolous debates, either, even when it means giving up some advantage. “The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails,” he famously said in an October 2015 debate with Hillary Clinton, then went on to add: “Let me say something about the media as well. I go around the country, talk to a whole lot of people. Middle class of this country is collapsing. We have 27 million people living in poverty. We have massive wealth and income inequality. Our trade policies have cost us millions of decent jobs. The American people want to know whether we’re going to have a democracy or an oligarchy as a result of Citizens United. Enough of the emails, let’s talk about the real issues.”

(snip)

Sanders is a walking version of Winston Churchill’s famous aphorism about America, except for Sanders, the hesitation is not about doing what’s right. It’s about doing what the moment — trivial as it may seem — demands. Bernie Sanders can be counted on to do what’s politically smart after trying everything else first.

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/05/bernie-sanders-tax-returns/



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The Reluctance of Bernie Sanders to Release His Damn Tax Returns Is Part of a Bigger Issue (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2019 OP
Countdown until "The Intercept" outcry True Dough Apr 2019 #1
I did it for you so you don't have to wait any longer. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3
Is it really fresh enough True Dough Apr 2019 #4
The Intercept? Glenn Greenwald's rag? LOL. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #2
Campaigns are corrupt and absurd. namahage Apr 2019 #8
Say what? comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #5
Perhaps but the article seems balanced to me and no one Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #6
It doesn't matter at this point whether the cat is dead or alive. lapucelle Apr 2019 #9
Schroedinger's tax returns. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #15
Well stated. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #19
Maybe in other multi-Universes, Bernie was elected President in 2016 & is running unopposed in 2020! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #30
You say it's a sound analysis? lapucelle Apr 2019 #7
Bernie has been stubborn throughout his entire political career and he's an older man Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #12
Curmudgeon is a pejorative lapucelle Apr 2019 #18
Again, Bernie has been stubborn about his ideals, he sticks to them Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #20
Why would we want someone who suffereing from these mental issues be POTUS? Gothmog Apr 2019 #25
You will never get my vote Gothmog. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #29
OMFG! Did you imply that a fellow DUer revmclaren Apr 2019 #32
Of course not Gothmog is perfectly stable but we never agree on anything from a political point view Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #41
Yeah.. he thought he was Cha Apr 2019 #36
Anyone who disagrees with sanders must be attacked by sanders supporters Gothmog Apr 2019 #38
Typical. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #40
Serioulsy, the premise of the article in Greenwald's rag is that sanders has mental issues Gothmog Apr 2019 #46
Because Bernie disagreed with Tad Devine in the best way to sway his followers to support Hillary Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #47
Read the article-sanders refuses to listen to advisers just like trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #48
I read the article and no Bernie is not just like Trump. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #49
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #53
"Bernie Sanders is no Donald Trump" Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #56
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #63
I see what you did there. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #55
It could be that sanders does NOT want to discuss OLD Towne Media Gothmog Apr 2019 #10
Wonder what percent that puts Bernie in? namahage Apr 2019 #16
Old Towne Media was paid a great deal of commissions from sanders TV ads Gothmog Apr 2019 #24
Bernie being Bernie, and I won't do it cause I don't want to mcar Apr 2019 #11
There were two reasons that I brought this up today. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #14
I was just offering some evidence of double standard mcar Apr 2019 #17
Reminds me of Trump being Trump. What's the difference? dem4decades Apr 2019 #52
Sanders book income has been disclosed Gothmog Apr 2019 #13
Anyone know what it takes to be in the dreaded "one-percent"? George II Apr 2019 #31
There are enlightened 1%ers George. Kind of reminds of "Al Gore lives in a big house." Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #33
Bemusing to watch the goalposts being moved in situ. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #43
Ding Ding Ding sheshe2 Apr 2019 #60
It's About Transparency and Ethics dlk Apr 2019 #21
At this point I want him to delay releasing. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #22
... Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #23
Yep, knew it. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #27
I am hoping that sanders stays in long enough to do another interview with the editorial board Gothmog Apr 2019 #28
That's funny 😄 mountain grammy Apr 2019 #57
OMG now I have seen it all, dear fucking god Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #26
Sanders just may believe that a politician releasing their tax returns proves Blue_true Apr 2019 #34
I've e fact that Greenwald's rag is making up excuses for sanders Gothmog Apr 2019 #37
Yeah, it's part of a bigger issue all right.. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #39
Bernie Sanders is "providing political cover" for Donald Trump not releasing his tax returns Gothmog Apr 2019 #42
Good point in this paragraph. Surprised to see it from the Intercept. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #44
It's weird that he won't release his taxes Politicub Apr 2019 #45
In 2016 it was HA Goodman and The Sane Progressive... SidDithers Apr 2019 #50
lol BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #51
Bernie says... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #54
Thanks Uncle Joe. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #58
Thank you mountain grammy. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #61
Stephanie Ruhl-Could Bernie Sanders' tax returns drive his supporters away? Gothmog Apr 2019 #59
Why will sanders not release his returns? Gothmog Apr 2019 #62
Woke! NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #64
 

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
1. Countdown until "The Intercept" outcry
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:33 PM
Apr 2019

In 3... 2... 1...

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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3. I did it for you so you don't have to wait any longer.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:39 PM
Apr 2019

The Intercept is a pile of steaming poo. There.

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True Dough

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4. Is it really fresh enough
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:44 PM
Apr 2019

to still be steaming?

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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2. The Intercept? Glenn Greenwald's rag? LOL.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:38 PM
Apr 2019

This is the silliest excuse I've seen yet. He won't release his tax returns because he's protesting the absurd and corrupt trappings of political campaigns? Seriously? If he thinks political campaigns are absurd and corrupt, why is he conducting yet another one? This one made my eyes roll so far that they almost got stuck in the back of my head.

Yeah, right. "I'm not releasing my tax returns because I want to protest the absurdity of political campaigns."

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namahage

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8. Campaigns are corrupt and absurd.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:58 PM
Apr 2019

By the way, did you hear that:

My campaign raised the most money in 24 hours from all 50 states
My campaign raised the most money in the first quarter
My campaign got money from a lot of new email addresses
My campaign staff is less white and male than before
My campaign staff unionizes, so that they will have a defense against sexual harassment
We neutered those pesky superdelegates (after first trying to get them to switch sides)
We got more of the youth vote than Trump and Clinton combined (but I'm totally supportive of Hillary, honest)



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comradebillyboy

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5. Say what?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:48 PM
Apr 2019

What a ridiculous piece of excuse making.

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Uncle Joe

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6. Perhaps but the article seems balanced to me and no one
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:52 PM
Apr 2019

will know for sure whether the cat is dead or alive until Bernie opens the box.

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lapucelle

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9. It doesn't matter at this point whether the cat is dead or alive.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:06 PM
Apr 2019

What matters is that the cat is still in the box.

Whether there is something embarrassing in the returns or it is simply a matter of stubborn ill-temper, the stance is revelatory concerning a candidate's suitability for the office.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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15. Schroedinger's tax returns.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:21 PM
Apr 2019

They could be completely ordinary and devoid of problems and are being withheld to protest the absurdity of political campaigns (srsly?), or they could contain something politically damaging. While they're still in the box they're both, and it doesn't help Bernie to keep them in the box because one of the two possibilities is that they contain something politically damaging. Open the box, let's see whether it's one thing or the other.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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30. Maybe in other multi-Universes, Bernie was elected President in 2016 & is running unopposed in 2020!
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:25 PM
Apr 2019

Such a shame we're stuck in this Universe!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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lapucelle

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7. You say it's a sound analysis?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:55 PM
Apr 2019
The truth, though, is likely much simpler: By failing to release his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so any minute now, Sanders is being the stubborn curmudgeon* he’s always been.

snip==============================

Sanders refuses to engage with things that annoy him.

snip========================================

The IRS does not make it easy to get old copies of tax returns, so Sanders needs to root around and find all the returns — some probably filled out by hand — and get them in order for release. That’s an annoying but not terribly difficult task to accomplish, and Sanders has had three years since 2016 to get it done. But that’s where the stubbornness comes in.


A stubborn curmudgeon who refuses to engage in things that annoy him?

"An American who can always be counted on to do the [politically] right thing after he has tried everything else"?



*cur·mudg·eon
noun
a bad-tempered person, especially an old one.


Synonyms of curmudgeon:
bear, bellyacher, complainer, crab, crank, croaker, crosspatch, fusser, griper, grouch, grouser, growler, grumbler, grump, murmurer, mutterer, sourpuss, whiner.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/curmudgeon

As for the "rooting around to find the returns", many might cut BS some slack. He does have three homes to search.




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Uncle Joe

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12. Bernie has been stubborn throughout his entire political career and he's an older man
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:16 PM
Apr 2019

so curmudgeon is a good word.







Of course being stubborn about a nation's moral obligation to take care of its people, even the least of them in my book is a major virtue.
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lapucelle

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18. Curmudgeon is a pejorative
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019
curmudgeon

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
n. An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
n. A miser.
n. An ill-tempered (and frequently old) person full of stubborn ideas or opinions.

from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English
n. An avaricious, grasping fellow; a miser; a churl.

from WordNet 3.0 Copyright 2006 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.
n. a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas


curmudgeon (n.)
"churlish, miserly fellow, mean man," 1570s, of unknown origin. The suggestion, based on a misreading of a garbled note from Johnson, that it is from French coeur mechant "evil heart" is not taken seriously; nor is the notion [in Century Dictionary] that it is a corruption of corn merchant (with the notion of "one who withholds food" ) . The first syllable may be cur "dog." Liberman says the word "must have been borrowed from Gaelic (and references muigean "disagreeable person" ) , with variant spelling of intensive prefix ker-. Related: Curmudgeonly.


https://books.google.com/books?id=_m7k1Oi-cakC&pg=PA164&dq=is+curmudgeon+a+pejorative&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu4-ytjbrhAhWEVN8KHfW-BjwQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=is%20curmudgeon%20a%20pejorative&f=false

https://www.etymonline.com/word/curmudgeon#etymonline_v_485


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Uncle Joe

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20. Again, Bernie has been stubborn about his ideals, he sticks to them
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:39 PM
Apr 2019

whether they are politically popular or not.

Anyone viewing the video that I just posted can see that.

I remember when "liberal" was a good word, then people seemed to run away from it, now it's back in vogue.

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Gothmog

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25. Why would we want someone who suffereing from these mental issues be POTUS?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:04 PM
Apr 2019
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Uncle Joe

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29. You will never get my vote Gothmog.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:12 PM
Apr 2019
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revmclaren

(2,524 posts)
32. OMFG! Did you imply that a fellow DUer
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:37 PM
Apr 2019

is unstable just because they said something about your candidate???

How low can you go?



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

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Uncle Joe

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35. Of course not Gothmog is perfectly stable but we never agree on anything from a political point view
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:46 PM
Apr 2019

except one time that I can remember.

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Cha

(297,296 posts)
36. Yeah.. he thought he was
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 11:08 PM
Apr 2019

being so sly.. didn't work.

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Gothmog

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38. Anyone who disagrees with sanders must be attacked by sanders supporters
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 08:14 AM
Apr 2019

I just found out that Prof. Tribe is a bad lawyer because he has questions about sanders lack of disclosures on a host of issues

I think that Greenwald rag’s defense of sanders is amusing and raises some issues as to Sanders fitness to serve. I really think the the reason for sanders’ refusal to release his tax returns is more likely due to Old Towne Media

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MrsCoffee

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40. Typical.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:03 AM
Apr 2019

Just typical.

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Gothmog

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46. Serioulsy, the premise of the article in Greenwald's rag is that sanders has mental issues
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 06:39 PM
Apr 2019

There are issues with sanders listening to advisers and in fact sanders decided to hurt Clinton's general election chances due to his inability to listen to advisers.




After California, though, Devine thought it had been long enough. Clinton was already going to have enough trouble beating Trump in November—he was a “change” candidate; she was not—and Devine wanted Sanders to throw his support to her quickly, giving her the summer to unify the party. Sanders disagreed and, according to Devine, genuinely felt that he needed to work through the party platform process to build a “substantive bridge” between his supporters and Clinton, otherwise they might never get behind her.

“He said, ‘Listen, Tad. You don’t understand what it’s like to stand in front of 20,000 people, and I say [Clinton’s] name, and they’re screaming holy hell, OK?’ ” Devine recalled. “ ‘I mean, there’s no way I can just go out and endorse her, and credibly help those people to come to support her. The only way I can do that is to convince them that this agenda that we talked about throughout the course of the campaign has been adopted in large part by the Democratic Party, and that the next president, even if it’s Hillary Clinton, is going to work on these issues.’ ”

Devine says he did, and still does, respect that view. He just disagreed, feeling that the biggest imperative was for the Clinton campaign to get itself “out of the conflict stage and into the consensus stage.” Devine had worked on Jimmy Carter’s 1980 campaign, when they had to fend off Ted Kennedy through the convention, and Michael Dukakis’ campaign, when they had to do the same with Jesse Jackson. “I saw, when those things don’t end, the consequences that can have on a campaign,” he said. “These were experiences that I had that Bernie Sanders never had.”

Though he respected Sanders’ position, he felt that he wasn’t being listened to, so the two parted ways. Sanders never got back in touch with him about returning for 2020, Devine says. Though Longabaugh and Mulvey stuck around until February of this year, they, too, eventually arrived at the same place Devine had years earlier: They weren’t being listened to, so it was time to move on.

Here Devine was correct and sanders' refusal to listen to good advise from someone who understood the issues helped to elect trump
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Uncle Joe

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47. Because Bernie disagreed with Tad Devine in the best way to sway his followers to support Hillary
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 06:49 PM
Apr 2019

means mental illness?

If that's the case any candidate that doesn't listen to his handlers on a particular issue must be mentally ill.

Even though Devine said he didn't agree with Bernie, he still respected his opinion.



“He said, ‘Listen, Tad. You don’t understand what it’s like to stand in front of 20,000 people, and I say [Clinton’s] name, and they’re screaming holy hell, OK?’ ” Devine recalled. “ ‘I mean, there’s no way I can just go out and endorse her, and credibly help those people to come to support her. The only way I can do that is to convince them that this agenda that we talked about throughout the course of the campaign has been adopted in large part by the Democratic Party, and that the next president, even if it’s Hillary Clinton, is going to work on these issues.’ ”

Devine says he did, and still does, respect that view. He just disagreed, feeling that the biggest imperative was for the Clinton campaign to get itself “out of the conflict stage and into the consensus stage.” Devine had worked on Jimmy Carter’s 1980 campaign, when they had to fend off Ted Kennedy through the convention, and Michael Dukakis’ campaign, when they had to do the same with Jesse Jackson. “I saw, when those things don’t end, the consequences that can have on a campaign,” he said. “These were experiences that I had that Bernie Sanders never had.”



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Gothmog

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48. Read the article-sanders refuses to listen to advisers just like trump
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:05 PM
Apr 2019

sanders' stunt in refusing to listen to the advice of his adviser did hurt Clinton in the general election.

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Uncle Joe

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49. I read the article and no Bernie is not just like Trump.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:13 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie has made a multitude of changes recommended by his advisers from making his 2020 campaign staff much more representative of America by gender and race to speaking about his background.

Having said that Bernie is committed to his core issues which increasingly resonate with the American People.

There is simply no way to tell as to the effect that would've happened had Bernie listened to Tad, it might have been worse.

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Gothmog

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53. Denial is not just a river in Africa
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:20 PM
Apr 2019
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Uncle Joe

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56. "Bernie Sanders is no Donald Trump"
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:29 PM
Apr 2019


"Bernie Sanders has emerged as the Donald Trump of the left," reads the Washington Post headline above opinion writer Dana Milbank's column.

This piqued my interest, as many WaPo headlines and Milbank posts do.

But what followed wasn't just disappointing, it was ludicrous.

(snip)

From here, Milbank makes an important, if obvious, stipulation: "Sanders isn't Trump in the race-baiting, lender-cheating, fact-avoiding, porn-actress-paying, Putin-loving sense."

Hold on. So really, Sanders and Trump aren't alike in any meaningful way, like how they view humanity, their ethical and moral compasses, their relationship with the truth -- in other words, the most important ways.


(snip)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/03/opinions/bernie-sanders-is-no-donald-trump-cupp/index.html

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sheshe2

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55. I see what you did there.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:27 PM
Apr 2019
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Gothmog

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10. It could be that sanders does NOT want to discuss OLD Towne Media
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:10 PM
Apr 2019

The book income is in public record already. In case any one is wondering sanders has more than $1 million each of the last two years

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namahage

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16. Wonder what percent that puts Bernie in?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:23 PM
Apr 2019
https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-tax-stats-tax-stats-at-a-glance

Individual Returns
Top 1-percent Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) break (TY 2016) [3] $480,804
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Gothmog

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24. Old Towne Media was paid a great deal of commissions from sanders TV ads
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:03 PM
Apr 2019

There could be as much of $10 million in commissions that went to the owner of Old Towne Media, LLC. I would like to know if Jane Sanders owns an interest

sanders has reported his separate income on his senate reports but the release of sanders tax returns will show if Jane sanders owns Old Towne Media.

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mcar

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11. Bernie being Bernie, and I won't do it cause I don't want to
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:10 PM
Apr 2019

is not sound analysis. It is the lamest of excuses.

Interesting this column comes up today when some in this forum are still slamming HRC (who, BTW, is a private citizen) for not releasing speech transcripts.

The double standard will never die, I fear.

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Uncle Joe

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14. There were two reasons that I brought this up today.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:21 PM
Apr 2019

pnwmom asked why on this thread and I have wondered why as well and then by chance just googling Bernie's name I found this article.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/128755958


I have been at the office most of the day and haven't even seen anything about HRC.

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mcar

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17. I was just offering some evidence of double standard
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:23 PM
Apr 2019
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dem4decades

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52. Reminds me of Trump being Trump. What's the difference?
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019
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Gothmog

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13. Sanders book income has been disclosed
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:18 PM
Apr 2019
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George II

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31. Anyone know what it takes to be in the dreaded "one-percent"?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:29 PM
Apr 2019
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Uncle Joe

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33. There are enlightened 1%ers George. Kind of reminds of "Al Gore lives in a big house."
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:41 PM
Apr 2019
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LanternWaste

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43. Bemusing to watch the goalposts being moved in situ.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:18 PM
Apr 2019
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dlk

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21. It's About Transparency and Ethics
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 08:16 PM
Apr 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
22. At this point I want him to delay releasing.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 08:26 PM
Apr 2019

Some people need a hobby.

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Gothmog

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28. I am hoping that sanders stays in long enough to do another interview with the editorial board
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:06 PM
Apr 2019

Last cycle, most papers did not vet sanders on policy. One paper did and it was very telling



sanders will be asked about his tax returns and Old Towne Media if he sits for a real interview with a major newspaper
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Eliot Rosewater

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26. OMG now I have seen it all, dear fucking god
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:05 PM
Apr 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. Sanders just may believe that a politician releasing their tax returns proves
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:41 PM
Apr 2019

nothing. I just wish he would come out and say that.

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Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
37. I've e fact that Greenwald's rag is making up excuses for sanders
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 08:04 AM
Apr 2019

This is really funny. Russia is doing its best to defend sanders

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
39. Yeah, it's part of a bigger issue all right..
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 08:59 AM
Apr 2019

The part that makes people suspicious of the no votes on sanctions, Old Towne Media, Tad Devine, etc.

I wish he would just prove the suspicions wrong already.

Every day and every excuse puts his campaign one foot deeper in the ground.

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Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
42. Bernie Sanders is "providing political cover" for Donald Trump not releasing his tax returns
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:06 PM
Apr 2019
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
44. Good point in this paragraph. Surprised to see it from the Intercept.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:20 PM
Apr 2019

"Sanders’s refusal to bend on any issue, no matter how minor, may be endearing to his most passionate supporters, but he’s doing both them and the country a disservice. An unbending approach to minutiae harms not only him, but his movement — and begins to look selfish and entitled. A million people have raised their hands to volunteer to make Sanders president. They deserve more from him."

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
45. It's weird that he won't release his taxes
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:36 PM
Apr 2019

I don’t get it. He could put the mystery of his 1040s to rest in an instant.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
50. In 2016 it was HA Goodman and The Sane Progressive...
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

in 2020 it's going to be Greenwald and The Intercept.

Sid

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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
51. lol
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

More sycophantic court-jesting by the Intercept. Greenwald must be smiling.

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Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
54. Bernie says...
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:20 PM
Apr 2019

… they're on the way! Hopefully there won't be a summary... or redactions... then, the issue can be put to an end.

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Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
61. Thank you mountain grammy.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:46 PM
Apr 2019
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Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
59. Stephanie Ruhl-Could Bernie Sanders' tax returns drive his supporters away?
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:32 PM
Apr 2019
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Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
62. Why will sanders not release his returns?
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:38 AM
Apr 2019
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