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Nina Turner trying desperately on MSNBC to sell the spin that Sanders is an FDR Democrat (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2020 OP
More Great Society than New Deal. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #1
Oh God, not Turner evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
AT least he's not for redlining. jmg257 Feb 2020 #3
He ain't even a Democrat, that is BS. democratisphere Feb 2020 #4
Exactly. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #6
-100 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #13
Your dreams are about to be shattered. democratisphere Feb 2020 #18
Yes tonight's results in Nevada was sucha setback for Bernie & my dreams!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #22
We're moving beyond rigged caucuses which are one of BS specialties. democratisphere Feb 2020 #24
Thats the thing. To many Bernie is a democrat booley Feb 2020 #25
He is. As is Warren. OliverQ Feb 2020 #5
Thanks elleng Feb 2020 #8
Agreed... which is why Bernie & Elizabeth will make a formidable team!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #10
FDR would never have done anything as foolish and wasteful as offering $1.6 trillion to forgive all highplainsdem Feb 2020 #11
Neither one of them would have allowed Wall Street to make bank on education Doremus Feb 2020 #15
ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #23
On the contrary booley Feb 2020 #26
You have no fucking clue what FDR would have done if faced with the crippling debt system of today Tarc Feb 2020 #30
Yep.nt redqueen Feb 2020 #31
It's not spin. He is an FDR Democrat. DanTex Feb 2020 #7
Yes elleng Feb 2020 #9
NO QUESTION!! And it's why Bernie has the nomination locked up!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #12
No. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #14
No. musette_sf Feb 2020 #16
Sanders can't be an FDR Democrat while calling himself a socialist. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #17
Well... Senator Sanders is a new deal democrat Tweedy Feb 2020 #19
Actually He Is colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #20
Still don't know what the hell an FDR Democrat is. betsuni Feb 2020 #21
7 minute ab policies booley Feb 2020 #27
Not a good idea anyhow. Nina needs to read up on FDR and immigration, POC, his refusal to emmaverybo Feb 2020 #28
Bernie's hero is Eugene Debs, not FDR. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #29
 

Voltaire2

(13,194 posts)
1. More Great Society than New Deal.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:24 PM
Feb 2020

Johnson’s domestic policies were closer.
But it is accurate enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
3. AT least he's not for redlining.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:25 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. He ain't even a Democrat, that is BS.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:25 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
13. -100
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:32 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
18. Your dreams are about to be shattered.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
22. Yes tonight's results in Nevada was sucha setback for Bernie & my dreams!!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

With a few more victories like that, Bernie will have the nomination wrapped up and then, obviously, he'll have to withdraw from the race... it's depressing just thinkin' bout Bernie's last three victories and all the ones to come.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
24. We're moving beyond rigged caucuses which are one of BS specialties.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:00 AM
Feb 2020

Let's not forget his caucuses of 2016. Same old.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
25. Thats the thing. To many Bernie is a democrat
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020

Specifically, he is what Democrats used to be and what many think they should be. Indeed that is what many still think the Democrats are, which explains why so many Warren and Biden and Buttigieg supporters list Sanders as their second choice.

People aren't looking for a little "D" by a candidate's name. They are looking at what those candidates stand for.

That is why the whole "Bernie isn't a Democrat" attack never flew. And never will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
5. He is. As is Warren.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:26 PM
Feb 2020

They are the only two advocating anything FDR-like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
10. Agreed... which is why Bernie & Elizabeth will make a formidable team!!
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:30 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
11. FDR would never have done anything as foolish and wasteful as offering $1.6 trillion to forgive all
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:30 PM
Feb 2020

student debt.

Neither would Johnson.

Both were pragmatic Democrats.

Not socialists. Not ideologues.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
15. Neither one of them would have allowed Wall Street to make bank on education
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:33 PM
Feb 2020

in the first place so your point is moot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
23. ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
26. On the contrary
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:14 AM
Feb 2020

If student debt has been an issue back then, I think FDR most certainly would have forgiven it.

FDR was very practical. This means he understood that money that is tied up in debt is money that isn't' going into the economy. A trillion and a half in debt for people trying to get ahead in life just isn't sustainable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
30. You have no fucking clue what FDR would have done if faced with the crippling debt system of today
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:02 AM
Feb 2020

Ronald Reagan attended Harvard in 1936, had a scholarship pay the $400 tuition, and he worked as an usher to cover room and board.

Harvard tuition today is $46,340, and I think it's safe to say that working as an usher today would not cover much of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. It's not spin. He is an FDR Democrat.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
12. NO QUESTION!! And it's why Bernie has the nomination locked up!!
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:31 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
17. Sanders can't be an FDR Democrat while calling himself a socialist.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:33 PM
Feb 2020

FDR was a devout capitalist who implemented the New Deal programs as emergency measures to shore up the economy against the Depression by providing jobs and other benefits. FDR made it very clear that he was not a socialist of any stripe, and actual socialists disliked him as much as the right-wingers did. He said that he was “following tradition as well as necessity” by striving to use government “to put idle money and idle men to work, to increase our public wealth and to build up the health and strength of the people—to help our system of private enterprise to function again.” https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/fireside-chat-15#axzz1sbeKIkza

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Tweedy

(628 posts)
19. Well... Senator Sanders is a new deal democrat
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:48 PM
Feb 2020

If you look at his policies, especially monetary policy.

This is part of the reason why it is so difficult to fathom why Senator Sanders insists on calling himself a "democratic socialist", and spends so much time bashing democrats. It just seems so self defeating.

On paper, Senator Sanders is a little to the right of Dwight Eisenhower (look at Eisenhower's top tax rate, if you don't believe me).

This country may have a far left, but wherever they are, it isn't in politics.

Though sometimes the current administration does operate like nihilistic anarchists and that is the far left. That appears to be a blip coming from the feudal state the GOP is attempting to create.

What is feudalism? Left? Right? Center?

I don't know.

I do know this. I was not so blessed to be born in the U.S.A. to die somebody's serf.

Bernie over Donald any day of the week, here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
20. Actually He Is
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:56 PM
Feb 2020

Go take a look at where Hoover had the top marginal tax rate and where FDR raised it to....in effect taxing the Hell out of himself.

Not sure there is a lot of reason for desperation in the Sanders camp right now either, think there is way more desperation in the Biden camp from the results so far. Sanders or his camp would seem to have no reason for desperation at this point.

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betsuni

(25,648 posts)
21. Still don't know what the hell an FDR Democrat is.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:02 AM
Feb 2020

From what I can tell it comes from the idea that once upon a time, because of McGovern's loss, the party decided that New Deal policies wouldn't win elections ever again so they became same as Republicans, except kind of worse. Bernie reintroduced New Deal policies and all the establishment elites exclaimed, "Bernie, that's radical! Why, we haven't thought of universal health care or inequality or climate change or finance reform, like, AT ALL in many many decades! We only care about the Wall Street and Big Pharma and billionaire money that is corrupting us and making status quo! We are TERRIFIED at your same stump speech and seven minute abs policies!"

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booley

(3,855 posts)
27. 7 minute ab policies
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:17 AM
Feb 2020

Ahh that takes me back

But yes I think your summation if I am understanding it is on the nose.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
28. Not a good idea anyhow. Nina needs to read up on FDR and immigration, POC, his refusal to
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020

sign an anti-lynching law.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
29. Bernie's hero is Eugene Debs, not FDR.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:48 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie has spent his entire adult life bashing the Democratic Party.
His hero is Socialist Eugene Debs, not FDR.

Bernie made a glowing documentary of Debs:



Bernie admiringly recites Debs speeches from memory:




This, and much much more, will all be common knowledge by the time of the general election. The GOP attack ads will be brutal and effective. Nina will be no help.


It will be a bloodbath.

God help us all.
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