I vote in California on Super Tuesday.

I will mail my ballot in after the South Carolina primary, I do not see the choice for me boiling down to those two candidates at this time

...it's not impossible that it could come down to these two candidates for others who vote later in the process.

He is a little better than the current occupant but not by much.

Our nomination is not for sale.

And it looks like Bloomberg is doing this to protect the banks against us. He said it. I am simply the messenger.

I’m waiting. Will go for Biden if he wins SC.

See https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html

In the 5 polls that have been completed since the 21st, Sanders' numbers are 23%, 21%, 13% (Clemson), 23%, and 23%. Though in all five, he trails Biden.

This scenario looks likely to me.



-Laelth

Bloomberg' pocketbook?

The women he wronged will come forward. His money was gained by gaming the markets (legally, unfortunately) and there are recordings of him bashing democrats, not to mention his history of racial profiling.

This is the fellow who helped keep Lindsay Graham in the senate. His presentation is terrible and his answers almost always seem to equivocate.

It seems obvious some in Wall Street think Bloomberg might save their predatory ways, but democrats? He has a snowballs chance in Alabama in August.

Just based on his pocketbook and the fact that he's willing to take the fight to Trump.

We have to face the fact that we live in a capitalist society. Money talks.



-Laelth

and is sure we will not be down to just those two candidates by then.

on who will actually be voting in November? Are folks really that politically naive?

To me, it looks like the Democratic electorate is demanding that Sanders be our nominee, for better or for worse.



-Laelth

If we win Michigan it’s all over for trump. We don’t even need Pennsylvania to win the electoral college as long as we win the other Hillary states. We are in great shape.

Just Michigan plus Hillary won states = 4 more years for Trump

someone who has voted and governed mostly consistent with Democratic party values his whole career, vs. someone who has a much more mixed record in that regard.

But I guess it is relevant, as you say on Democratic Underground, that people may be more concerned here with labels than the average voter would be "IRL."

...and Bloomberg is no prince either.

Don't worry about it, it's not important.

15 are undecideds

3 are Bloomberg supporters

4 are Pete supporters

2 are Amy supporters

1 is a Warren supporter

For Bernie, 12 are Warren supporters

7 are Bernie supporters

7 are undecideds

4 are Biden supporters

and 1 vote each from a Tulsi supporter, a Pete supoorter and an Amy supporter

Looks interesting. Biden supporters overwhelmingly choose Bloomberg while Warren supporters favor Sanders.

Thank you for taking the time to do that break-down of the votes in this poll.

-Laelth

To see if how many members may have switched their votes.

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Bernie Sanders is a wonderful individual who has worked his entire career to help those in need while the other guy made money.

Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

https://www.alternet.org/2015/10/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you/

All we heard for months was complaining about Biden having the nerve and the audacity to suggest that he would try to work with them to get things done. And then similar complaints about Buttigieg and Klobuchar when they made similar comments.

who behaves just like Trump and most of the country hates than vote for Bernie, the guy winning everywhere.

This forum is ridiculous.

While I do think there are people here who would prefer Trump to Sanders, it’s mostly on the DL due to a certain reason.

to an extent electorally speaking. Democrats are both motivated but scared. I'll take either over Trump. After all, Stephen Miller won't be advising either. There is no bad answer if our goal is beating Trump. Mau the best man win

A vote for Bloomberg is a vote a nicer politer version of Trump.

That is all.

Guess whose last?

But ya made me laugh!

Buttigieg?

They are very similar.

I'm not sure Bernie would win that one here either.

It’s a relatively small message board that has a diversity of viewpoints. It’s had it changed over the years.

I've never seen it as ridiculous as it is now.

Daily relentless smearing of the Democratic front runner - the candidate who by every available measure has the best chance of defeating Donald Trump.

Amazing.

Where was the concern about bashing the Democratic front runner in 2016?

Let's not hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to... it reflects poorly.

IFIRC, the total voting in the firs poll was very much larger then in this one.

My earlier one: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287495148

An even earlier one (probably the first): https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287466179

Two later ones:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287532841

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287500621

I can't swear there weren't others, but those are the ones I know of, and I *think* I would have noticed if there were others.

this poll. The stop-and-frisk guy. The old-people-with-cancer-shouldn't-be-treated guy. Yikes.

I would like to have that choice, since I could go with either.

If I thought Sanders had best chance, or roughly equal chance, to win GE, and that he could get roughly half of what he’s promising enacted, I’d vote for him. Bloomberg has baggage, but would like to hear him without the hit pieces. His ads are darn good.

either candidate means just that.

Love it!

They grow up so fast.

nt

Seriously, I'd only asked it once before (and was unaware of the one previous poster's version at the time), and as I said here in the OP, I only asked again because I felt circumstances had changed.

the more you question them?

I suspect that repeated polls invoke the same thing...someone who is inclined to respond for the 5th time is someone more stubborn than normal

The people demand MORE POLLS!



-Laelth

Good luck with, "No. We can't." That's going to be a hard sell.

-Laelth

It's just not fair, nor is it in the best interests of the American people, imo.

Endless wars? Sure! We can afford them.
Massive tax cuts? Sure! We can afford them.
Something that might actually help the American people? Frick no! We can't afford THAT.

You get my point, I assume.

-Laelth

nt

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106 total have voted for Sanders so far

41 are Sanders supporters

29 are Warren supporters

17 are Undecided

10 are Biden supporters

3 are Amy supporters

5 are Pete supporters

1 is a Gabben supporter

2 of the voters have been PPR'd

A lot of people here have talked about how, if moderates drop out, that means more support for other moderates (and have even suggested that moderates need to drop out for this reason), but here's yet another example of people "changing lanes" when forced to choose a different candidate. You've got 15 people here who support moderates Biden/Amy/Pete who, if they had to choose between Sanders and the moderate Bloomberg because their candidates were no longer on the ballot, would switch lanes and support Sanders rather than Bloomberg.

As I've said before, more factors into second choices than just what lane someone is in. And since polls tell us that Sanders is the candidate with the highest favorables, and that more Dems are comfortable with his nomination than with anyone else's, it shouldn't be surprising to see people moving to him as the field winnows, even if their original choice was in a different lane. What's a bit surprising is to see it happen even on DU, where there is so much anti-Bernie vitriol.

Far more moderates (Biden, Bloomberg, Pete & Amy) went for Bloomberg then Sanders while far more progressives (warren and Sanders) went for Sanders.

...about maybe 60/40 between Bloomberg and Sanders, so still, there was a lot of lane changing. Biden is the only moderate whose support overwhelmingly stayed in his own lane.

At any rate, this was by no means a scientific poll, nor is DU really representative of the world as large (as clearly evidenced by Warren's lead here, for example). I just thought it was interesting, though.

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116 members have voted for Bloomberg so far.

57 are Biden supporters

34 are undecided

8 are Bloomberg supporters

5 are Warren supporters

5 are Amy supporters

7 are Pete supporters

-Laelth

And maybe the odd employee's fetus.

You can see them on YouTube, Facebook and tv if you care to look.

<Bloomberg vs. Trump> vs. <Sanders vs. Trump>

Guess which Democrat has the better chance (or any chance) in, say, Florida?

curiosity why do some of you support bloomberg? imo he's no better than trump.

If you are going to vote for Bloomberg this fall if he's the nominee, that means you believe he's the better choice.

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Sanders - 65 votes

Bloomberg - 108 votes