He won’t be the nominee because you are correct, our Republic, our Constitution, our citizens, the world....is fucked if he is.

He can’t win FL, PA, WI, MI, AZ and other swing states and the nominee has to win these states to win.

He will not get moderate Republicans who are disgusted with Trump. He will cost us House and Senate seats.

I am at a loss right now to even describe my disgust with what is happening and how blind people are and especially the Bernie fanatics if they think he is their savior. They have no idea what chaos and hell will be coming and Sanders notbonly can’t win, but if he does by some miracle win with what will be unleashed on him, that he will never pass the things he has promised without raising taxes on all of the middle class. This, as we are about to go into a world economic recession will not work out well.

with children. That is a Republican talking point. The toddler thing is not made up by Bloomberg but something that Sanders actually did say. And it will be used against us in a general if Sanders is the nominee.

In an attempt at humor Bernie wrote a tongue- in-cheek essay entitled “On Education.” Our education system is turning kids into sexually repressed worker drones. In a 1969 essay he wrote in the Freeman, “In Vermont, at a state beach, a mother is reprimanded by Authority for allowing her 6-month-old daughter to go about without her diapers on. Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each other’s sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing! If we raise children up like this it will probably ruin the whole pornography business, not to mention the large segment of the general economy which makes its money by playing on people’s sexual frustrations.”

You do know what tongue in cheek means? Just kidding? Promise me that you will never read Lolita. Lolita it is a 1955 "tongue-in-cheek erotic novel" written by Russian American novelist Vladimir Nabokov. Vladimir Nabokov was a teacher of languages at Stanford, California. Later, he joined as a professor of literature at Wellesley College, Massachusetts. Being a multi-talented person, Nabokov was famous for his plays, funny sketches for 'New Yorker', criticism and stirring short stories. His research in entomology, especially the discovery of "Nabokov's wood nymph" made him famous at the Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University. Nabokov has so much talent that it's unbelievable.

... some real talk today.

We're screwed if Sanders is the top

In the GE this kind of stuff will destroy us.

...combine this with his vote against the amber alert law and its radioactive...anyone who thinks this won’t do damage is naive and the media will eat it up..

(petulance met in kind. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as without merit as the other as well.)

In an attempt at humor Bernie wrote a tongue- in-cheek essay.“In Vermont, at a state beach, a mother is reprimanded by Authority for allowing her 6-month-old daughter to go about without her diapers on. Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each other’s sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing! If we raise children up like this it will probably ruin the whole pornography business, not to mention the large segment of the general economy which makes its money by playing on people’s sexual frustrations.”

Clearly it was meant to be funny!

...much less say it?

And they would release it at a time that would blow up a General race in their favor.

I never was able to figure out the appeal of Sanders.

... I don't think toddlers touching each other is anything for parents to get alarmed about... but I wouldn't say what Bernie said. As far as the stuff about orgasms, I don't believe that at all and would worry about someone who does.

Is a BIG problem if they go into Pre School or Kindergarten thinking that is all right!

Kids get in trouble for that! It was not right 40 years ago, either!

... I think it's a behavior that can be corrected among toddlers. I think children around Kindergarten age are beyond that... at least, they should be... if not, there is a problem.

Kindergarten and School. Parents who may think that is cute in toddlers will not feel so cute when they are called to the school because their children were not taught better.

I am not a prude but know a couple who did not think it was cute when they got the call about inappropriate touching.

That being said, I am astounded that a nearly 40 year old man would use such an image to make a point, that is sort of perverted.

It is not what you believe but how a person with these Views will be painted...hint hint...there will be Democratic blood in the general for sure.

I mean, I could see if there was some case in the news re: the subject, someone saying 'it's really not abnormal for small children to do this with each other' or something to that effect, but ... implying that they should be encouraged to do this ... seems pretty odd.

Was there some study he possibly read, or is this entirely his own idea?

Wondering that the context was and what was actually said.

Keeping them from doing inappropriate things is where parenting come in.

My cousin and I used to run around naked and take baths together up until the time we were 3 or 4. So what?

See what happens!

Sure went afterwards. I know,I was one of them. Inappropriate touching has been around as long as I have.

I am quite sure it was!

There was a lot of nutty shit back in the day.

Not even Bernie is saying we should go back to that. But honestly, this was taken entirely out of context and is a nothingburger.

None. Good luck, Bloomberg. Stop and frisk will never be forgotten, never.

Sanders and his campaign settled several sexual harassment lawsuits that arose during his last failed run at the nomination:

pulling this shit in 2016 than I am by those who did it in the 90s.

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Please remember an important distinction, Bernie is not the culprit. Bloomberg is not who he says he is. Bernie is nothing like him.


( The Company, through its male managers and employees from Chief Executive Officer Bloomberg on down, engaged in a pattern and practice of sexual harassment, sexual degradation of women, and discrimination against plaintiff because of her national origin.)


https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A8fa4a832-ee75-4da4-8749-ca8e9392d77f&fbclid=IwAR3uFbuP2zFv-cui4y8SMmJijNg1LFCp8RQo2759buDJ1IyN8qfZKUEGg4U

A billion dollar company either!

Tim O’Brian, CNN said he worked for Bloomberg for 7 years. Mike had 3 complaints, none of them sexual harrassment.

back in the early 1970s. It was a view held by many progressive voices, particularly in Europe. But it was always a small minority who thought young children should run around naked and be free to be curious. There was a scandalous sex education book targeting very young children and their parents, with the title, "Show Me!" It was sold in the US for a short time in just about every book store. Soon, though, it was no longer available, due to the protests against it.

There was also a school in one Scandinavian country when children did run around naked all the time. That was also treated as scandalous in the USA.

That philosophy of child-rearing existed at the time, though, and was popular with some, including Bernie, apparently. It was also discarded by most people as not a good idea.

I have no solid opinion on the matter.

asked about them now -- the media coverage should be interesting.

Not at all. Most people in this country cringe over ideas like that, whether or not they might actually be OK and useful ideas.

The late 60s and early 70s were full of different approaches to things. There were X-rated movies in regular theaters. Books like Joy of Sex were best-sellers. All such books are gone these days. As a young adult in that era, I remember a lot of things like those that showed up, and then disappeared fairly quickly. I found it all very interesting.

I remember seeing a movie with the title "Friends." in 1972, I think. It had a soundtrack by Elton John, and came out about the same time as his first album. It was a French film, about two runaway young teenagers in the Camargue coastal region of France. They found each other, fell in love, and lived in an abandoned little house. They had a child together at about age 14-15. It was beautifully filmed and nominated for several awards, particularly in Europe.

Here, it was shown in a few smaller theaters, but soon disappeared, due to its frank approach about adolescent sexuality. Few saw it. Few know about the soundtrack album or that Elton John and Bernie Taupin did some of their best early songs for that soundtrack. Nobody knows about it, because US sensibilities were simply not capable of accepting such a film.

As far as I know, it's not available on DVD, although I remember seeing VHS recordings of it at the time. I saw it in a small theater in a small town that regularly showed foreign films and b-movies.

So far, though, I've never met anyone who even knows the film was made.

I just looked it up on IMDB.

I remember it very well, though, particularly for the early Elton John soundtrack.

with my then gf/1st wife in 70's while we were in high school
and i still look at the songs on youtube
i doubt it's unheard of, many of my musician friends can play songs from the soundtrack
it was a good film with inspired tunes

✌🏼

We were both in our twenties, and used to go to that small theater often to see films that not many saw.

Later, when I remarried, my wife and I also went to that theater often to watch indie films and other obscure movies.

I saw it at the drive-in with my boyfriend, when we were only a few years older than the kids in the movie. Amazing film, but you're right - hard to find anyone who's heard of it.

Saw it with my then wife, who also enjoyed it. I still have the soundtrack album, but no turntable any longer.

My wife and I have to decide who to vote for this Saturday in the SC primary.
A month ago I had a Biden sticker on my car and she was supporting Warren.
As the bullshit rhetoric seen in this thread keeps being pumped out, and Biden and the others keep sliding, we are both fairly certain we are heading towards voting for Sanders.
Game over when/if he wins SC; I hope my fellow DU partisans will be able to get behind the candidate that every poll I am seeing says can beat Trump
In November.

Whether it's a quote taken out of context, or a gaffe, whatever. Using someone's own words against them is a time-honored technique.

If you actually care about the context here, check Post #39.

But of course, some people love to pile on without caring about stuff like accuracy or context.

Please consider carefully

voting for Biden and Warren. But now you will vote for Sanders?

Have the anti-Bernie posts here changed what you liked about Joe and Liz?

Or are you voting for Bernie with a "sympathy vote"?

The main reason I supported Biden was the electability issue. His recent meltdowns have erased that advantage. Warren has also shown that she cannot get the groundswell of support needed to win a General Election.
Dems don't win without an enthusiastic turnout by minority and young voters, and it is Sanders that has captured that momentum.

And any definition of a "sympathy vote" would not apply to the current leader and presumptive winner.

something awkward about our culture's unhealthy puritanical obsession with nudity, in 1970?

Lol.

The actual quote isn't even awkward.

...combine that with his opposition to the amber alter law and tougher penalties for pedos...we know exactly where republicans will go with this...his candidacy will be over and so will the careers of most Dems with him on the ballot..

Over what the repubs will do with crap like this. It is absolute gold for them. And unfortunately there is so very much more BS crap that they will take the utmost advantage of. He is their dream candidate.

There's a part in there where Bernie advocates that a 16 year old girl should be free to eschew her parental prohibitions and sleep with her boyfriend. He mentions it twice. I googled Vermont to see if 16 is legal there (yes) because I was JFC dude, tone it down. I think that was written during his 'hangups can cause cancer' period.

Don't forget "too many orgasms."

This is the exact opposite of what Timothy Leary said. He said not enough orgasms can cause cancer.



Speaking of Leary, maybe someone should investigate whether or not Bernie ever dropped acid. <--JOKE

which is considered very, very relevant to his cred in being a social justice icon....

But of course cancer has nothing to do with either too many or too few orgasms.

Didn't like rock music, favored C&W instead. Too bad he didn't try acid, it might have expanded his insight opening him up enough to realize that the subjects he wrote about were kinda totally fucked up and hey man, did you ever like really suddenly notice you had legs?

Why is Bernie into all this dirty stuff?

First there was the nude Russian vodka party.

Then the filthy articles, but all of that was legit.

Now what is this latest disgusting stuff.

and against the Amber alert. Republicans are going to have fun with that.

That does compound the problem here.

He voted against fucking amber alert? Jesus H Christ on a fugging pogo stick.

We are going to lose with this man as the nominee.

...in it" (not a word for word quote)

That's his fall back every time he does NOT vote with the Democrats (which is more frequent than some would like us to believe), "there's something in the bill I didn't like".

Nuance won't matter.

The Mother Jones article said much of it was tongue in cheek. There is a larger quote from the writing:

In a 1969 essay in the Freeman, he wrote, “In Vermont, at a state beach, a mother is reprimanded by Authority for allowing her 6 month old daughter to go about without her diapers on. Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each others sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing! If we [raise] children up like this it will probably ruin the whole pornography business, not to mention the large segment of the general economy which makes its money by playing on peoples sexual frustrations.”

It should be noted that back in the 60s and 70s many people would occasionally let their very young children run around naked at home and even at places like a park. People back then we're much less aware of pedophiles and didn't see any harm in letting small children frolic in their birthday suits. So he wasn't really talking about encouraging children to touch each other, just speculating that they might. And he wasn't talking about school.

who remains unrepentant.

is why Biden's over-familiar glad-handling and hair sniffing isn't going to be a factor, nor NDA's against Bloomberg's companies, or raunchy jokes. That's all "old men in their 70's" stuff, anyway--and everyone knows tRump is wayyy worse. But the little kid stuff is just...eww.

I hadn't seen the actual quote but I could tell that's what it was.

That's not even that awkward, frankly.

Not out in public but for sure at home around immediate family.

My mom letting us be naked occasionally. Usually it was up to about 3, which is the age when you stopped looking like an toddler and started looking more like a school aged child.

which is usually just after bath time. Letting them run around free for a while makes it easier to convince them to keep their clothes on at other times

It's only strange if you have a sick mind or you just want to twist it to something sick because you don't like Bernie.

People can get pretty hung up about bodies.

Is it being honest to say the following, "If Bernie is the nominee, this crap will be discussed up to the day of the election in November?"

Is that an honest statement?, Will this be crap be discussed if Bernie is the nominee?

I am asking this question, for one reason. This needs to be asked. Trump & gang will go as low as possible to get another 4 years....I say again...Trump and gang will go as low as possible to get another 4 years

The gang has already gone after Joe Biden's son. They will go after anything, if the gang thinks it will help with "the leaders" reelection....And ANYTHING IS ANYTHING....

and others are famous gaffe machines or genuinely problematic.

It's the nature of the beast.

Nope... he was the one who suggested to female employees that they give a male coworker blowjobs as a wedding present.

My bad.

If you read ANYONE's words with enough malice you can paint them a monster if you're willing to be dishonest enough.

This sort of manufactured outrage is a pet peeve of mine, in this sort of political climate it's beyond toxic.

Babies without diapers at the beach...