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TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:33 PM Feb 2020

News flash to moderates re: marijuana..

The amount of people you alienate by not unequivocally decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana dwarfs those who would be inclined to your incrementalism

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News flash to moderates re: marijuana.. (Original Post) TheSocialDem Feb 2020 OP
I think that should read "the number" of people. lapucelle Feb 2020 #1
Seriously Calculating Feb 2020 #2
That's not my argument. The treaties need to be modernized. lapucelle Feb 2020 #4
Schedule IV drug offer no human benefit WA-03 Democrat Feb 2020 #5
More than 'some legal scholars' say weed is harmless TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #7
Yes I know. The issue isn't whether or not pot is harmless. lapucelle Feb 2020 #9
who cares about the treaties? Calculating Feb 2020 #13
It seems then, that the tripping point for you TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #14
Oh boy WA-03 Democrat Feb 2020 #3
Ahem ... actually MJ is Schedule 1, along with Heroin, LSD, and Ecstasy mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #12
My personal research over 50 years LakeArenal Feb 2020 #19
We have a Russian collaboration with the white house squirecam Feb 2020 #6
Maybe give people something to vote for which is TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #8
Climate change and restoring the rule of law squirecam Feb 2020 #10
The candidates can't ask the questions.. TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #11
If you knew people who had their life screwed up it would matter to you too Calculating Feb 2020 #17
I don't know anyone on that stage squirecam Feb 2020 #18
I've heard this argument before... LakeArenal Feb 2020 #20
I know people who've had their lives screwed up by cannabis prohibition Calculating Feb 2020 #15
Right there with you TheSocialDem Feb 2020 #16
 

lapucelle

(18,282 posts)
1. I think that should read "the number" of people.
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:35 PM
Feb 2020

Legalizing pot on the federal level (rather than at the state level) would contravene an international treaty to which we are a party.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2014/10/16/marijuana-legalization-poses-a-dilemma-for-international-drug-treaties/

https://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1961_en.pdf

https://www.tni.org/files/publication-downloads/regime_change.pdf

Some legal scholars have argued that the best approach is to legalize state by state and find a mechanism that would more or less force the legalization in any reluctant state.

That's how we got a national drinking age. Because one of the stated purposes of raising the age was to reduce DWI accidents and deaths, states that signaled a refusal to comply with the change were threatened with a loss of federal funds for interstate highways.
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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
2. Seriously
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:39 PM
Feb 2020

"we still need more research". Freaking really? The government has had like 80 years to prove that cannabis is some kind of plague upon the decency of society. Meanwhile, we continue ruining lives and arresting people every day over this victimless crime. It has to end!

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lapucelle

(18,282 posts)
4. That's not my argument. The treaties need to be modernized.
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:44 PM
Feb 2020

Legalizing pot on a federal level would put us in contravention of the treaties.

Until the treaties are amended:

Some legal scholars have argued that the best approach is to legalize state by state and find a mechanism that would more or less force the legalization in any reluctant state.

That's how we got a national drinking age. Because one of the stated purposes of raising the age was to reduce DWI accidents and deaths, states that signaled a refusal to comply with the change were threatened with a loss of federal funds for interstate highways.
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WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
5. Schedule IV drug offer no human benefit
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:45 PM
Feb 2020

It is therefore not studied. Like a all drugs I would like it to be safe. Moving it to schedule II allows for study.

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TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
7. More than 'some legal scholars' say weed is harmless
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:46 PM
Feb 2020

In most all cases if not all period

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lapucelle

(18,282 posts)
9. Yes I know. The issue isn't whether or not pot is harmless.
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

The issue centers on the treaties that we signed. Solutions include modernizing the treaties or employing a strategy (legalization across all 50 states at the state level) that won't put us in contravention of the treaties.

You seem to be arguing against someone who is contending that pot is dangerous or harmful.

That's not my contention and that person isn't me.



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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
13. who cares about the treaties?
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:56 PM
Feb 2020

Violate them for all I care? Who is gonna stop us? The UN? Those treaties date back to when Nixon(may he burn in hell) bullied the world into joining in on our ridiculous war on drugs.

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TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
14. It seems then, that the tripping point for you
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:59 PM
Feb 2020

Is the legality given the treaties.. I say those can get fixed after relief is given to those hurt by this war on drugs, specifically pot. Realistically those shouldn’t delay commen sense domestic policy decisions

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WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
3. Oh boy
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020

I think you are implying that Biden will outlaw bongs, pipes and rolling papers. He want to study it and move it from a schedule IV class to a schedule 2. Let’s study it! I smoke every day and see this as a good thing and needed.

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mr_lebowski

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12. Ahem ... actually MJ is Schedule 1, along with Heroin, LSD, and Ecstasy
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

Moving it to Schedule 2 puts it in the class with the most highly-regulated Prescription Drugs, i.e with Hydro and Oxycodone, Hydro and OxyMorphone, Morphine, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, etc, all of which require a Dr. visit for every Rx, and "Triplicate" Rx's delivered to pharmacy in person, and reporting to the DEA.

Is that what we want?

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LakeArenal

(28,827 posts)
19. My personal research over 50 years
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:16 AM
Feb 2020

Say it’s fine.

But it’s not an issue for me in this election

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
6. We have a Russian collaboration with the white house
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:46 PM
Feb 2020

And you are worried about pot.

There is no time for this.

This debate should have been about climate change, Bill Barr, and plenty of other topics that are more important than pot.

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TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
8. Maybe give people something to vote for which is
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:48 PM
Feb 2020

Common sense, and has real implications in their lives, what do you have against that?

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
10. Climate change and restoring the rule of law
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

Is something far more important and is something to vote for.

I don’t need to hear about someone’s motto or pot when we have more seriously pressing matters to attend to. There was 2 hours and they wasted too much of it.

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TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
11. The candidates can't ask the questions..
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

Agreed on the importance of GW obviously

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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
17. If you knew people who had their life screwed up it would matter to you too
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

My own brother got completely screwed over because of our asinine cannabis laws. It took years for him to recover from the damage our injustice system inflicted on him.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
18. I don't know anyone on that stage
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:06 AM
Feb 2020

Who wouldn’t legalize it.

But it wasn’t worth spending time on it when we got zero climate questions.

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LakeArenal

(28,827 posts)
20. I've heard this argument before...
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:19 AM
Feb 2020

Anyone from the seventies that have smoked regularly knows people affected by pot arrests. I know many people affected by pot possession and sales. Including Mr Lake.

Still not an issue for us in this campaign

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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
15. I know people who've had their lives screwed up by cannabis prohibition
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:59 PM
Feb 2020

It matters to me, and I'm tired of living my life in fear in a non legal state. One more person arrested or having their life ruined over this ridiculous issue is too many. It's safer than alcohol, legalize it already and end this great miscarriage of justice which goes back to the 30's when they criminalized it to persecute minorities.

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