Democratic Primaries

ripcord

(5,553 posts) Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:03 PM Feb 2020

Could a brokered convention turn into the Democratic Party's version of the Electoral College?

Everyone screamed when Hillary got the most votes and lost the election, if Sanders has a large plurality and the party elite decide against him aren't we saying that we are fine with the candidate with the most votes losing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Could a brokered convention turn into the Democratic Party's version of the Electoral College? (Original Post) ripcord Feb 2020 OP

It already is. David__77 Feb 2020 #1

We've already said the nomination goes to the candidate with the MAJORITY brooklynite Feb 2020 #2

That is the issue with super-delegates. mysteryowl Feb 2020 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #5

So you're not supporting Sanders (undecided) because he campaigned for that rule? ehrnst Feb 2020 #11

unless the threshold is met, there will be a second vote...Sanders campaigned for this rule. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #6

Sanders campaigned for that rule? No. JudyM Feb 2020 #8

He wanted this...check it out. We will never get rid of supers unless we have no more caucuses and Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #4

So, if a candidate who was far behind in pledged delegates was to try to pressure the Superdelegates ehrnst Feb 2020 #10

What is a "large plurality"? 30? 40? Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #7

If someone else is chosen.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #9

David__77

(23,559 posts)

1. It already is.

Reply to ripcord (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:07 PM

Feb 2020

It’s not like delegates allocation across candidates is determined directly by popular vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

brooklynite

(94,803 posts)

2. We've already said the nomination goes to the candidate with the MAJORITY

Reply to ripcord (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:07 PM

Feb 2020

Additionally: I recall that Sanders loved Caucus States where voters supporting losing candidates got to have a second choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mysteryowl

(7,398 posts)

3. That is the issue with super-delegates.

Reply to ripcord (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:08 PM

Feb 2020

One super-delegate represents multiple votes. It is not democratic. Hopefully, it can be settled on the first vote, which will be by majority, unless the party changes the rules last minute.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Response to mysteryowl (Reply #3)

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

11. So you're not supporting Sanders (undecided) because he campaigned for that rule?

Reply to BlueTillIDie (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:24 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,733 posts)

6. unless the threshold is met, there will be a second vote...Sanders campaigned for this rule.

Reply to mysteryowl (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:13 PM

Feb 2020

Personally, I think we have to look at operation chaos numbers as well...as for anti-Democratic...caucuses are anti-Democratic as well. We need a nominee who can win...and unless Sanders has above 50 %, he should not be our nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JudyM

(29,294 posts)

8. Sanders campaigned for that rule? No.

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:25 PM

Feb 2020

He wanted purely a popular vote with no superdelegates. The concession he got from the majority was that the superdelegates wouldn’t get to vote up front, only in a second round of voting if there wasn’t a clear majority win, in the first round.

If you can share a link showing what you asserted actually happened, I’ll retract.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Demsrule86

(68,733 posts)

12. He wanted this...check it out. We will never get rid of supers unless we have no more caucuses and

Reply to JudyM (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:33 PM

Feb 2020

winner take all primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to ripcord (Original post)

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

10. So, if a candidate who was far behind in pledged delegates was to try to pressure the Superdelegates

Reply to BlueTillIDie (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:24 PM

Feb 2020

into bestowing the nomination on them instead, that would be....

"by defintion" attempting something "undemocratic?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Jersey Devil

(9,875 posts)

7. What is a "large plurality"? 30? 40?

Reply to ripcord (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:14 PM

Feb 2020

What if Bernie has 35% and Biden has 25% and Warren has 20%? Is there some kind of mandate there?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Happy Hoosier

(7,437 posts)

9. If someone else is chosen....

Reply to ripcord (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

Feb 2020

... then they would have had to convince a majority of delegates to support him or her.

I don't want a p[arty nominee that doesn't have the support of the majority of the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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