Democratic Primaries
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When I hear a poster say well my union went heavily for Bernie in the last primary, then went heavily for trump
Uh what??? They are literally at opposite ends of the political spectrum. How could you vote for Bernie, then vote for union busting Trump? It makes absolutely zero sense. Help me understand how that is even possible?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,501 posts)And that is assuming that the poster is correct about what union members really did do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,655 posts)What on earth are those voters hearing when Trump speaks?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mister Ed
(5,945 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
It is just that unions tend to be extremely protective of their unions and for very good reason.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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BlueTillIDie This message was self-deleted by its author.
But trump is a pure capitalist. If it cost him less money with free trade he would implement immediately. He and his administration is busting unions through new laws. Its like smoking, looks cool but youre paying someone to kill you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/128775007#post44
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)Bernie does a good job at populism during the primaries and so did Trump during the general. Union workers were attracted to their populist attributes. The policy was a distant second consideration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)One of the reasons we got trump is Sanders' and Warren's opposition to foreign trade and endless criticism of Obama's trade policies/agreements right up to the November 2016 election.
Sure there were other factors, but there were only 70K or so votes in key states that prevented Clinton from winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,688 posts)And that Hillary was a "free-marketeer sellout who never saw a 3rd world trade deal she didn't like."
And it worked: A lot of rust belt voters bought the lie - and put on their Made-in-China MAGAt hats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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sandensea
(21,688 posts)They'd make a great ticket.
We'll know more after Super Tuesday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She has a better track record in a far shorter career.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I wish she'd be doing better, as I think she would be more electable as a nominee - and a more effective president - than Bernie.
She could still turn this around - but the window has narrowed tremendously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/128775007#post44
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Convince nervous middle aged men that things used to be better (they weren't, really) and that X (immigrants, billionaires, whatever) is the reason they are worse now. The problem is it's a gun that can be pointed in any direction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BurgherHoldtheLies
(4,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I didn't realize how poisonous populism was until recently.
I used to think it was a good thing, now I think populism is awful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Revolution indeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)But most people are fucking idiots.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SDANation
(419 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)...things need to be shaken up, and that the working class always end up with the short end of the stick.
Sanders was the candidate that most truly represents this voter, but Trump also capitalized on this sentiment.
So when it was Hillary vs. Bernie, these voters picked Bernie.
Then when it was Hillary vs. Trump, these voters picked Trump, as the perceived better of the remaining options.
And if it becomes Trump vs. Bernie, Bernie can get them back. At least in theory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,467 posts)Cops and Border Patrol were the only unions that endorsed Trump in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SDANation
(419 posts)Talking about Pennsylvania.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Many people don't bother reading the labels, they just listen to ads.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)"He's going to shake things up" and "He tells it like it is".
Such is the intellectual depth of the average American voter today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Apollo Zeus
(251 posts)Hillary was closely associated with both and it lost her WI, MI and PA.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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The Wizard
(12,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,132 posts)to make Clinton unpalatable for a segment of the population. Is why it is possible.
People who lean toward religious authoritarianism were very open to the message that a woman who didn't "do it right" according to their preachers were particularly susceptible to the message. Also, for most of her time in public life, there was a constant drumbeat that she was dishonest and untrustworthy...not due to anything she did, but because someone saw something that scared them when she was much, much younger.
Marketing works and these union members (the Trump voters) are probably church goers and generally predisposed to dislike the idea of a woman in charge of anything but kids.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided