Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden is the establishment candidate.. hmmmmm
Joe Biden has led on liberal principles for 30 plus years.. but now he is the establishment..
And I understand that many here cannot bring themselves to support an establishment candidate.
Bernie Sanders if he wins the nomination and then wins the general.
He will then become the establishment.
Damn what will people do then???
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,441 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Been hearing the term for years but have never seen it defined.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)It is a way to put down a political opponent without really saying anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)Similar to how Ronnie Reagan turned "liberal" into a slur.
To the rest of us, it's the functional basis of the party, the part that actually accomplishes something.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)was like republicans using "liberal" as a slur as well. Political spin-masters keep changing the meanings of words and then repeat them over and over again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)The meaning has changed over time, but lately it's basically turned into a catch-all slur used by candidates seen as relative outsiders and their supporters to apply to the rest of the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)Its why Im not a Biden supporter. He wouldnt be any different than what weve had my entire lifetime. Maybe one step forward, then Republicans get in power and drag us two steps back.
Hes a decent man and would be a decent president, but income inequality, student debt, climate disaster and a lasting healthcare crisis are what we have to show for the past forty years.
We cannot vote for a typical politician of that era and expect things to fundamentally change.
Im about 80% certain Im voting for Warren in the next few days in the California primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and people who don't know what they're doing always want to overthrow them. Then, if they are successful, they get into power and realize they didn't know what they were doing, so they learn and change and become the establishment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)Now all of a sudden he is called a moderate or a centrist, but in reality he is a pragmatic liberal who gets things done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)Compared to, say, Sanders or AOC, Biden could be considered a moderate Democrat. But he's not a moderate. That distinction seems to get lost on a lot of people.
Manchin, who many call a conservative, really is a moderate. Biden and Manchin clearly don't belong in the same category.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)It has profoundly affected my generation, and we know it. Its why his support among under 50s is so low.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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and every senator and congressional representative has one or more bills that could be challenged.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patricia92243
(12,601 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doxyluv13
(247 posts)....is a liberal leader. Plus he was elected Vice President. That's as establishment as it gets.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am truly looking forward to that, but my crystal ball can't tune into that channel yet.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden