Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum538 Election Update: Biden Surges In South Carolina
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After former Vice President Joe Biden finished second in the Nevada caucuses, someone at his post-election speech shouted out, Comeback kid! It seemed like an odd claim at the time Biden finished more than 26 percentage points behind Sen. Bernie Sanders (going by county delegates). But based on the latest polls, Biden may indeed be experiencing a comeback in South Carolina, which votes on Saturday.
As Nevada went to the polls last Saturday, the FiveThirtyEight forecast considered Sanders the slight front-runner in South Carolina, with a 1 in 2 (46 percent) chance of winning it. It gave Biden a 2 in 5 (40 percent) chance. Since then, in a reminder of how fluid primaries can be, Bidens chances have skyrocketed. As of Thursday at 5:38 p.m. Eastern (😉 , Biden has a 14 in 15 (94 percent) chance of winning the Palmetto State, while Sanderss odds are down to 1 in 20 (5 percent).tps://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-biden-surges-in-south-carolina
The first hint of Bidens comeback came two days ago: Biden had only a small lead on Sanders in our South Carolina forecast at the time, but the first survey conducted entirely after Nevada, from Public Policy Polling, showed Biden up 15 points. At that point, the poll was an outlier. Well, not anymore. Since Wednesday, weve gotten six new polls of South Carolina, most of which have given Biden commanding leads.
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Its tempting to chalk up Bidens comeback to his performance in Tuesdays debate or his Wednesday endorsement by Rep. Jim Clyburn, who carries a lot of weight in South Carolina Democratic politics. But in reality, the polls above were mostly conducted before either of those two events. Instead, the dividing line seems to be the Nevada caucuses. In six South Carolina polls conducted between New Hampshire1 and Nevada, Biden averaged 26 percent and Sanders averaged 22 percent. In the six polls conducted entirely since Nevada,2 Biden has averaged 35 percent and Sanders has averaged 20 percent.
Its certainly odd that Biden, and not Sanders, would have gotten a bump out of a state where Sanders won nearly twice as many raw votes, but thats what it looks like. Perhaps it is the manifestation of establishment backlash against the suddenly-real prospect of Sanders becoming the nominee.
And accordingly, that prospect is now getting less likely again. As FiveThirtyEight editor-in-chief Nate Silver wrote earlier today, Biden winning South Carolina especially by a big margin would put him in good position to win, or at least net many delegates from, the many Southern states that vote just three days later, on Super Tuesday. That could set the table for a drawn-out nomination fight between Sanders and Biden one that could even lead to a contested convention.
I think Joe will continue to surge nationally in the primaries to come.
MoJoe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Many thought he was finished after NH and swung to Bloomberg. NV showed he wasn't.
Also, Warren's take down of Bloomberg at the debate also contributed to Biden's recovery.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,058 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)More like a reminder of how fluid 538's predictions have been of late. Sanders was never likely to win SC, yet their model seems to overvalue momentum from other states and national polls, even in states where I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense.
Further, the wild swing in 538's predictions to Bernie after Iowa -- where he underperformed, I might add -- became more a part of setting the narrative than an analytical tool. They made a couple of mid-course corrections that received little notice, but by then, the story was already set -- Sanders was basically going to run away with the thing after one state.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Impossible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,441 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)He had to come in at least 2nd or 3rd choice in Nevada, he had to have a decent debate performance and he needed a roaring win in South Carolina. The added bonuses were a standout performance in this week's debate, his best to date, and Jim Clyburn's full-throated endorsement.
The stars are aligning and Biden has come out of the box, energized and ready for the fight ahead. Because . . .
This is what a comeback looks and feels like after you've been pronounced dead.
Btw, how many obituaries have been written?
and, of course,
AGO4JOE2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the death 538's been claiming (rooting?) is inevitable for over a year now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden