but he did just break it down to a very simple and logical conclusion.

Riiiiiiiiiiight!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

Everything a conservative says is wrong and everything a progressive says is right??? Well that is certainly an uplifting, unifying message. There are a lot of people I don't particularly like, but I am not so blinded by political ideology, that I can't hear truth when it is shared.

I'll be so glad when this primary is over. All the mockery and sarcasm is hardly persuasive or inspiring. Do you win very many voters over with that attitude and tone? It is an awful look for a Democrat.

And I don't think it's a particularly bad look either.

no mockery or sarcasm in your comment. It certainly isn't off-putting.

I've rarely found Bill Kristol to be right, but he's almost always right when he criticizes Donald Trump. I won't say he's wrong just because he is Bill Kristol.

considers himself a Democratic Socialist/Independent.

Tis a funny old rock and roll world.

I hadn't thought of it that way.

without examination.

Something we are paying dearly for right now with this Covid-19 situation.

Kristol is a conservative asshole, we disagree on almost everything. But he isn't stupid, and he hates Trump as much as we do.

In republicans' eyes, everything Obama did was bad and now we have Democrats doing the same thing. There's nothing like becoming what you profess to hate.

If our country was attacked by a foreign enemy, would some of these zealots not fight with republicans in opposition to the enemy, because of political ideology?

No Dem (or pretend Dem) can win without AA support.

Time to stop and think about that if you don't want 4 more years of trump.

....are behind Biden as well.

We'll be seeing a lot more of this during the general election campaign after Biden gets the nomination.

Joe Rogan or Bill Kristol? The answer is obvious but there will be no call to renounce this endorsement.

We can thank Kristol for bringing us Sarah Palin.

Maybe for very different reasons, but....

Just as the US joined with Russia to stop Hitler, sometimes you have to join with the "enemy of my enemy" in a temporary alliance.


Once Trump is removed, I am sure Kristol will be on opposite sides from us again.

But in the meantime, we'll take all the help we can get to remove the tyrant.

General...2016 was his best chance...I will vote for any nominee but I am convinced that it will be Biden in the end. I look at Carolina and can't believe anyone would support a candidate who can't win the AA vote...a most important demographic for us.

promised to do so. This of course leads any reasonable person to conclude that Sanders is hiding something.

someone vying to be President of the United States, that is completely unacceptable.

Re Bernie's chances, I just watched the Robert Reich on another thread, and he makes a number of rational arguments which would have no place in a General against voters raised on Socialism - bad, Capitalism - good.

The MAGA hat on Joe is a bridge too far...you should delete it.

Just like Biden did.

that happened 20 years ago...and Saddam was a really bad guy. I am glad he is gone.

Moderates need to unite and beat Sanders...as he won't win a general. We need a candidate who can beat Trump soundly. I will vote blue no matter what...but hoping it is Biden. He is the best nominee and the best person to become President. He will be ready on day one. He has experience that no other candidate has.

Kristol is not a "moderate". He wants to stop progressive changes like M4A, free college, ending military aggression, and pretty much everything else Bernie supports. Of course right-wingers like Kristol are going to oppose Bernie.

where great Democrats like Max Cleland lost their seats. Only the safest Senators and House members could vote against the Iraq War...and again Saddam was a monster.

They are sane enough to want Trump out of the White House. They know he is a threat to our democracy. We can disagree about a lot of things, but on this we can agree.

These same people have been in favor of voter purges and suppression, and cheered on the stolen 2000 election. Let's not pretend Kristol somehow cares about democracy.

I don't have to like him or agree with a lot of what he did or said, but in this case, he happens to be right. I don't think there is some dark conspiracy at play here. You just don't want to acknowledge the truth, so you attack the person who said it.

Like I said, it's obvious why Kristol doesn't want Bernie to be president. He can pretend all he wants that he's trying to stop Trump, but his entire career shows exactly why he's opposed to Bernie's progressive ideas.

He's not trying to stop Trump. He's trying to stop Bernie.

They're not mutually exclusive. If Sanders can't stop Trump, but Biden can and does, both would be true.

It's not a binary choice.

That is deflecting once again. He doesn't want Bernie to be the nominee, because he doesn't want Trump to win reelection. I'm sure he wouldn't care for Bernie as president, but he wouldn't care that much for Biden either. I suppose from a conservative's point of view, Biden would be the lesser of two evils.

His main priority, both now and for his entire life, has been to push right-wing policies and fight against anything progressive. I can't imagine why anyone thinks he's a good person for Dems to be listening to as to who to nominate for president.

Kristol in particular has been more wrong than almost anyone else in his prognostications, whether military or economic or political. Why would anyone listen to him about anything? Particularly since, whatever he claims, it's obvious that what he wants more than everything is to prevent Bernie from becoming president.

In short, Bill Kristol is a right-winger who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

So then defeating Donald Trump is wrong? Electing the best Democratic candidate to defeat Trump is wrong? That is what this discussion is about, NOT about Kristol's right-wing views. Nothing he said in his tweet represented his right-wing views, it was about nominating the best candidate to defeat the monster in the White House.

So if Kristol "doesn't have a clue what he's talking about", a large percentage of Democrats who think Biden is a better choice to defeat Trump don't know what they're talking about either. The problem with the attitude of so many of the purists is they would whittle the Democratic party down to a very small and ineffective party.

But:
A) I don't trust Kristol's forecasting ability, because he's been wrong so many times about so many things.
B) I don't trust that Kristol is being honest about why he wants people not to vote for Bernie, I think he's a right-winger who will say anything to forward his right-wing agenda.

A large percentage of Dems think Biden is the best choice to beat Trump. And a large percentage of Dems think Bernie is the best choice to beat Trump.

That's fine. But I don't see why anyone should listen to Bill Kristol.

much too much time talking about Bill Kristol, someone who rarely even pops in my head.

I think we've said all that needs to be said on the subject.

(and you used 'pretend' in a sentence again leading me to believe you will never succeed in seeing the irony)

and Trump himself than Kristol .

That's quite a story to have missed but somehow I have. Can you provide a link?

etc...why not just google? You know it is true...the most recent...a tweet...was on Saturday after Biden trounced Sanders in Carolina.

I was told I should be more worried about what Trump says. In the context of the thread this suggests an endorsement.


So let's see it.

You see Biden using Bill in an ad? And the answer is no.

They are absolutely disgusted with Trump, but there is no way they will vote for a "progressive" like Sanders.

B/t/w check out the Bay Area Bernie Bros and Siss and their appalling attitude towards Mayor Pete's withdrawal. Really progressive...

Kristol is a old-school conservative, with a record of being wrong on so many issues but nevertheless aware of the threat that Trumpism poses to democracy. In place of conservatism, we have radical authoritarianism fronted by an dangerously irrational and corrupt con artist. Come November. this nemesis that must be soundly defeated, and if it takes the votes of disaffected Republicans who are aghast at what their party has become, that is fine by me. If and when conservatism is restored in the wake of the Trumpism disaster, we can do battle with them accordingly. For the time being, a coalition of unusual bedfellows that manages to get the job done come November should be seen as a positive thing.

He recently claimed to have become a Democrat, because of Trump. I don't believe that for a minute, but I know one thing: He knows politics pretty well.

I listen to him when he says stuff like this.