Democratic Primaries
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I see a lot of sighs of relief as the moderates dump out and endorse Biden.
1. That does not mean the nomination is guaranteed to Biden.
2. Even if Biden gets the nomination, it doesn't guarantee a win against Trump.
I'm surprised to see so many take such solace in what is happening. Only 4 states have voiced their opinion... it's sad really to see other states lose their voice and simply get on bandwagons.
I'm also surprised as every time we think we have a great candidate (Gore, Kerry, Clinton), we are shown that it is not about that. It's about what the candidate represents. Other than returning to Obama's policies, I'm not sure what Joe represents. He's never won a primary in the three times he ran for President until this last Saturday. So he got one primary win under his belt. And it's clear he's not going to sweep the nomination on Super Tuesday.
As someone who believes in a policy driven platform that takes this nation forward, and as someone who supports a candidate who is actually running on those policies with a plan to make them real and who has a track-record for getting things done, and has a tremendous campaign record, I am worried about the coronation happening right now. The party is basically giving the nod to someone who doesn't have a clear policy position, who has a not so great campaign record and has a tendency to get himself into trouble when talking.
We are going to lose if Biden is the nominee and does not make his policy positions clear, why it is better for Americans, how he can get it done and if he continues to campaign poorly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
AGeddy
(509 posts)And it helps us down ballot enormously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Bernie has clear policy positions and is a great campaigner. He's raised more money than any other candidate (when you discount self-funded billionaires). The Biden campaign could learn a lot from Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)The only thing the Biden campaign can learn from Bernie is what not to do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)than Biden, and he draws more working class moderates.
That said, I also am aware of the polarization he brings along with the boogeyman word "socialist".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Biden is just as bad a name to the right as Bernie is. No matter who it is, they will demonize the candidate. They will become the bad word to the Right.
And if the nominee has nothing else to run on, then we will lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
k2qb3
(374 posts)They're ecstatic over recent events.
I'm not positive which of them will actually do better at the end of the campaign.
I'm wondering what happens to the party when Biden is nominated and loses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)He'll get republicans to vote for him along with right leaning independents and he'll have the resources to be on an even playing field with trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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at140
(6,110 posts)When one person owns more than all bottom half Americans combined, it is well past time to just go along to get along. . When I arrived in this country as JFK was getting elected, the middle class was strong, marginal tax rates were high, and there were no Billionaires calling shots and own the politicians. All this while the bottom 90% are basically marching in place while the top 1% get richer faster and faster. If it won't be Warren, I will be switching to Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Polybius
(15,417 posts)Many Trump supporters like Bernie's anti-Washington stance. They would much rather have Bernie than Clinton, Biden, etc, They also don't hate Tulsi.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)It won't. Tom Malinowski flipped it after decades of GOP Representation in Washington (a former Obama admin employee).
It doesn't matter how great of a campaigner Sanders is - he's not good at retail politics in the way your Candidate is. Malinowski is a soft spoken, extremely intelligent life long public servant.
Two men could not be more different - and it took Tom to oust Leonard Lance (a Hunterdon County dynasty politician). We have Governor Kean's son running out here on the GOP ticket.
Sanders will NOT help Tom. Biden, Warren, Bloomberg could. BTW- Warren got the party line in Hunterdon County followed by Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That's not the case with Biden. That alone is a significant factor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)why Bernie's policy positions make him so damn popular with the working class and low-income folks in this country, who will show up to vote for Bernie in droves... Bernie's the Champion we've been waiting for!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)I'm in NC, and the the Bernie supporters I know at work say they will not vote for Bernie after he snubbed Selma. They feel disrespected.
Biden will win here tomorrow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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PatSeg
(47,441 posts)we won't get any progressive policies through congress, regardless of who the president is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,041 posts)he's gone through so far to ensure Biden doesn't get the nomination. He's even gotten the Russians to help BS so it's an easy win for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)We can see how the consolidation this early in the process will give the Dem party a fighting chance against Trump. There was a reason for the Ukraine treason and it was about stopping BidenTrumps most formidable opponent
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Not a chance.
Not happening.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)IS that better?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)More like BEAT TRUMP! VOTE! That's more what we'll be seeing.
That's better! Even some Sanders fans will go with that, I'm sure. Not all of them, but some.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And the point I was responding to was that its all about the excitement. Really?!?!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Don't minimize it, please. Remember the excitement about Obama why would you want to quash such a thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Just put into perspective that there are some serious issues that the Biden campaign better work out if they are to take down Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
It would take an awful lot to bring me down this week. I'm going to enjoy every minute of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)It is because of what he represents, that I am supporting him now. Plus his character, integrity, and vast experience.
Meanwhile, go to his website or listen to the town halls he has done on CNN. His policy positions are actually quite clear and well thought out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)It's not about that, as I said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)we've seen, so I can't compare it to 2000, 2004, and 2016. We've never run against an incumbent like this before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I was there. Bush was the worst we had seen. He should have been impeached.
He lied us into war that killed thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians.
And yet, Kerry Lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)knows that the 2004 election was stolen. Of course, republicans with Russia's help will probably try again, no matter who is the nominee. With Joe we have a chance to have enough votes so that they can't steal this one.
Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
https://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Or rather, the fear of that, as this is not over quite yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SKKY
(11,810 posts)...and certainly that of the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)in all those previous instances, gop candidates were nowhere near as polarizing as trump.
We have excellent chance with Biden to capture some republican voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)We are going to need all hands on deck to get all Democrats and left-leaning independents out to vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(43,163 posts)and flying the flag upside down
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)A policy platform that represents progress and gives people hope
A strong campaign with the ability to raise money
A track record of getting it done
Joe has not demonstrated these things well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)Say about June. But then again it would be moot against Joe.
It's way to early for that argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Trump is not waiting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Buttigieg, Warren and Bernie have all built remarkable grass roots campaigns with well defined policies and all have out earned Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)was my point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Klobuchar did not run a good or viable campaign. She also did not put out details on policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)after South Carolina, I don't think there will be any problem raising campaign funds. Now that this is a probably a two person race, the money will flow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Is that support well deserved? I don't think it is. Joe has run the least viable campaign to date and provided the least information on his policy plan.
He is running solely on his character. It's not enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(47,441 posts)So no point in discussing it any further. I see it as Joe finally getting the support he deserves. We're not going to agree, so lets end on a civil note.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)No one really pays attention to the platform once it's done. Voters certainly don't. They look to what the campaign's message is.
Besides, the 2016 platform was already the most progressive in history. It's not like we're going to backtrack if Biden is the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Nominating a socialist, democratic or any flavor of socialist, is what was scaring most of us and now we are relieved its probably not going to happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Alas, you have to win the nomination before you even stand a chance at beating Trump. And Im afraid Warren is not going to accomplish that. In the four early contests she came in 3rd in Iowa, 4th in New Hampshire and Nevada, and 5th in South Carolina. I dont see where she is able to turn that around, short one or two of the candidates getting run over by a bus r succumbing to the coronavirus.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)You are surprised that Democrats are rallying behind our Democratic nominee? Relief. Hell yes. Not to mention the relief for our down ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I'm surprised at the hubris of some here who think Biden beating Trump is guaranteed
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)loss for us with Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)1. He's not a socialist. Making that claim is dishonest.
2. Believe it or not, you and everyone in this country practices some form of Social Democracy.
It's a fact.
And finally, I love how Biden supporters turn everything into something about Bernie. It's like they are fixated on the man.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)You all know this, but you keep using the word as a fear factor.
There is nothing fearful about socialism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)behooved him to add that one word.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)A "democratic socialist" is a simply a type of socialist. Not sure how you can get around that. If he called himself a "socialistic democrat" then you might have an argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)It's what the candidate actually stands for that matters to most.
People are sick and tired of being talked to by politicians. They want someone to actually put forward policies that will change their lives.
Rolling back Trump's rollbacks is not going to cut it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)Wall to wall ads on TV and radio quoting Sanders and running clips of him saying he is a democratic socialist. Its easy pickings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)Scandinavian countries practice different socialism than Venezuela, for example.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)Socialism Scandinavian style works! There is no Billionaire out there who owns combined wealth of all bottom half of Scandinavians.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)According to The World's Billionaires List on forbes.com Sweden has 31 dollar billionaires, Norway 14 and Denmark 6 (Finland 7 if you include that in Scandinavia). ... So it actually looks like Sweden and Norway have roughly the same number of dollar billionaires per capita.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)with Billionaires. And none of the Billionaires in Scandinavia appear in top richest list.
The tax rates make sure no Scandinavian will be worth more than combined wealth of bottom 50%.
https://wealthygorilla.com/top-20-richest-people-world/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,778 posts)socialist...you're losing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Meadowoak
(5,546 posts)Biden will not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
grantcart
(53,061 posts)You mention Gore, Clinton, Kerry.
What you failed to recognize is that twice we have tried to run a campaign based on raising middle class taxes
McGovern, we won one state, Massachusetts
Mondale, we won one state, Minnesota.
Don't know where you live but in AZ the Republicans almost gave up on defending McSally against our great candidate Mark Kelly.
Now they are spending millions linking Kelly to Sanders, at the end of the ad they have a clip of Bernie looking into the camera and stating
"Yes I am going to raise taxes on the middle class"
Stop looking at Clinton, Kerry and Gore where we narrowly lost but stayed strong in the House and Senate and look at McGovern and Mondale where a promise to raise middle class taxes have Republicans their greatest landslides.
You are not sure what Biden represents? How about a lifetime of compassionate Democratic values grounded in practical achievable policies.
You prefer a visitor who over promises under delivers and is on track with middle class tax increases, all of which leads to landslide loses?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And we don't even need to go there because Biden won't get past the Gore/Kerry/Clinton test.
Warren would be a better candidate than Joe by far without the polarization that Bernie brings.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)Sorry, I don't see her prospects changing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Better than him in half the primaries.
Raised more money.
She took down Bloomberg (Biden should thank her).
She can articulate her policies and platform
And she knows she's not running for the the Senate .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive2020
(713 posts)Maybe a Biden Campaign would sit better with you if Warren ended up being his VP? I think that she might be in the running. I have heard Kamala Harris as a VP possibility also, but I would prefer her to be AG in a Democratic Administration. Also, I think if Joe got the nomination, Warren as his running mate might mollify some progressives and bring more progressives into the big tent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Always the excuse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)The hard part will be living through tRump until November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
splunge63
(102 posts)And that's the best chance by a country mile, in my estimation. And beating the orange shitgibbon is priority 1-1000.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pansypoo53219
(20,977 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
splunge63
(102 posts)Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pansypoo53219
(20,977 posts)go bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)And enthusiasm for him is picking up. He offers the best chance at a victory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dlk
(11,566 posts)And Im concerned Trump would eat Bidens lunch. Trump has a lifetime of experience fighting dirty. I dint See Bernie doing any better against Trump, either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)he still seems to be winning. Could he lose the general? Sure! But I honestly believe his chances vs Trump are infinitely better than Bernies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Hope others follow, everywhere, Warren or Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)If he doesn't get more votes that HRC did, we will lose...again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided