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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:51 AM Mar 2020

Warren takes aim at Biden: A 'Washington insider will not meet this moment'

LOS ANGELES — While former presidential candidates Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar and Beto O’Rourke rallied around Joe Biden in Dallas, Elizabeth Warren provided a sharp dose of criticism instead, calling the former vice president a risk to the Democratic Party and the country.

"I respect his years of service," Warren said Monday night during a Los Angeles rally. "But no matter how many Washington insiders tell you to support him, nominating their fellow Washington insider will not meet this moment."

"Nominating a man who says we do not need any fundamental change in this country will not meet this moment. Nominating someone who wants to restore the world before Donald Trump, when the status quo has been leaving more and more people behind for decades, is a big risk for our party and our country," Warren said in her strongest critique of the former vice president in this race so far.

The Massachusetts senator railed against Biden in a moment when moderate Democrats are coalescing in an effort to strengthen support against Bernie Sanders. Warren’s rhetoric sets her up as an alternative to Biden and Sanders and aims to paint her as a candidate with progressive values who can also get things done

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warren-takes-aim-biden-washington-insider-will-not-meet-moment-n1147696

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Warren takes aim at Biden: A 'Washington insider will not meet this moment' (Original Post) peoli Mar 2020 OP
Well, there is a non-establishment candidate that she could have gotten behind. DanTex Mar 2020 #1
Yes, she does BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #11
Warren is still a candidate. She has the right to assert herself. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #13
I'm not denying her right to assert herself. DanTex Mar 2020 #18
You could say the same for Bernie, though, couldn't you? ehrnst Mar 2020 #26
Yes, and if Warren were viable based on delegates/polls, then I would call on him to do that. DanTex Mar 2020 #28
I'm talking about when she announced. After all, that meant that there was a ehrnst Mar 2020 #30
There were a lot of candidates in the race at the start, that's how it goes. DanTex Mar 2020 #32
I'm saying he should have "offered," for all the reasons I gave. ehrnst Mar 2020 #36
You're referring to a 30-year career politician millionaire, yes? LanternWaste Mar 2020 #31
If by non-establishment, you mean.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #35
gotta love the baloney - bernie is one of the most establishment guys in the country nt msongs Mar 2020 #39
Biden is 100% coreect we do NOT need fundametal change, we need to right the sinking the boat BEFORE beachbumbob Mar 2020 #2
The world is on fire! We need fundamental change YESTERDAY! peoli Mar 2020 #4
lol, we need to right the boat before changing the rigging. We do not need nor desire a revolution beachbumbob Mar 2020 #12
I get tired of the "revolution" pejorative regarding Bernie. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #20
I feel the same about "establishment" as a perjorative. But he did title his book "Our Revolution." ehrnst Mar 2020 #27
The next four years are going to be Zoonart Mar 2020 #19
I'm waiting to see the comments attacking Warren for her Washington Insider (establishment) jalan48 Mar 2020 #3
Same! Where are they? peoli Mar 2020 #6
Interesting isn't it? jalan48 Mar 2020 #9
Bernie has been in the House or the Senate since 1991 lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #5
She's boxed herself in, now. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #7
She's wrong. But that's a pretty mild criticism. AGeddy Mar 2020 #8
Wait JustAnotherGen Mar 2020 #10
Sorry, her and Sanders have both been part of the Democratic "establisment"... brush Mar 2020 #14
Wait? You may want to tell others here that, but I keep seeing that Sanders is Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2020 #23
Well he's not but he's been in Congress for decades and that definitely qualifies... brush Mar 2020 #25
From Sanders Senate website: TwilightZone Mar 2020 #34
so how has the past 3 years of a "non-washington" insider been working out??? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #15
Question atreides1 Mar 2020 #16
Good for her..................... turbinetree Mar 2020 #17
I know he is, but what are you? frazzled Mar 2020 #21
Thank you Senatir Warren for speaking out on this. CentralMass Mar 2020 #22
Is Warren still in race? evertonfc Mar 2020 #24
Meemaw needs to give it up nini Mar 2020 #29
Meemaw? Really? Bettie Mar 2020 #37
How long has she been a Senator again? nolabear Mar 2020 #33
I support Elizabeth but it amuses* me to hear/read statements about identifying others as abqtommy Mar 2020 #38
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. Well, there is a non-establishment candidate that she could have gotten behind.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:54 AM
Mar 2020

The centrists all got behind the leading centrist. If she had endorsed Bernie, that may have made a difference.

It sort of rings hollow at this point. Does she actually want free college, universal healthcare, and everything else she's campaigned on?

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BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
11. Yes, she does
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:02 PM
Mar 2020

And were it not for the culture of scorn and rejection that Bernie World has saddled itself with, where he is The Only One and everyone else is a sellout who is just pretending, there would be a lot more momentum behind those ideas.

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Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
13. Warren is still a candidate. She has the right to assert herself.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

And she's got a good point. IMO, she should remain part of the conversation. She presents some good and even vital perspectives that MIGHT motivate Biden to move his positions to the left as a tactic to accommodate those who will feel left out of the total conversation. Further, she has leverage in her own right to be the nominee. No one should count her out. There are a lot of factors currently at play.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. I'm not denying her right to assert herself.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

I'm just pointing out that there is a viable candidate (or at least was viable) that shared her progressive views, that she could have gotten behind in the same way that other centrist candidates got behind Biden.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. You could say the same for Bernie, though, couldn't you?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

If he had dropped out and gotten behind Warren as a progressive candidate, then she, a younger, healthier and more effective legislator, would be at the top of the ticket. And a woman, and after all, isn't Bernie all about the feminism?

After all, he did say that he ran in 2016 because he didn't feel there was a progressive choice in the race. (and before you waste time with the copy/paste dogwhistle about "re-litigating" do a google search on his statements.)

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. Yes, and if Warren were viable based on delegates/polls, then I would call on him to do that.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:25 PM
Mar 2020

The way it's played out, though, is that currently Bernie is the only viable progressive who can actually get the most delegates heading in to the convention.

I was undecided between Warren/Bernie until it became clear that Bernie was the only one who had a chance to win for this very reason.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. I'm talking about when she announced. After all, that meant that there was a
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

progressive choice for the people, doesn't it?

And she is younger, healthier, and has a better resume for it. And it would have really cemented Bernie's claim to be a feminist, and he really is in it for us, and not him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. There were a lot of candidates in the race at the start, that's how it goes.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:32 PM
Mar 2020

It would be silly to ask any candidate to step out right from the start.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. I'm saying he should have "offered," for all the reasons I gave.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:40 PM
Mar 2020

After all, he wasn't the only progressive running this time, and the heart attack and his health history is something to consider.

That would have been walking the walk on feminism after all.

It would have clearly demonstrated his concern was about "us" and not "him."

But he didn't offer.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. You're referring to a 30-year career politician millionaire, yes?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

And still dragging the net that he's not establishment?

"It sort of rings hollow at this point." Indeed.

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Happy Hoosier

(7,376 posts)
35. If by non-establishment, you mean....
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

someone who has been in Washington 30+ years and doesn't have a network of friends and allies, I guess you're right.

I mean, HE'S sure to really get stuff done, right? I mean, once the magic Revolution happens.

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msongs

(67,438 posts)
39. gotta love the baloney - bernie is one of the most establishment guys in the country nt
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. Biden is 100% coreect we do NOT need fundametal change, we need to right the sinking the boat BEFORE
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:57 AM
Mar 2020

such considerations.


Then the question on who can gather a team to do it. Biden by far is the best choice

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peoli

(3,111 posts)
4. The world is on fire! We need fundamental change YESTERDAY!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

If Biden thinks we don't need fundamental change then he is not paying attention!!!!!

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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
12. lol, we need to right the boat before changing the rigging. We do not need nor desire a revolution
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:02 PM
Mar 2020

we need to gain back all thats been lost in past 3 years and then build on that.

We centrists understand what it takes to get where we need to go.

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Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
20. I get tired of the "revolution" pejorative regarding Bernie.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

It's a metaphor, not a strategic objective.

Sanders' positions are CONSISTENT with the wishes of the majority of Americans. That's not "revolution". That's listening to what the population wants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. I feel the same about "establishment" as a perjorative. But he did title his book "Our Revolution."
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:24 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Zoonart

(11,877 posts)
19. The next four years are going to be
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

Governmental triage and amputations. Anyone who can't see this. is not looking closely enough. Rump and his gang of criminals will leave this country and government a smoking crater. I want someone who knows this government Indies and out that can help put it all back together again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,881 posts)
3. I'm waiting to see the comments attacking Warren for her Washington Insider (establishment)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Mar 2020

statement, especially from Warren supporters who are so concerned about similar statements made by Sanders.

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peoli

(3,111 posts)
6. Same! Where are they?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,881 posts)
9. Interesting isn't it?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
5. Bernie has been in the House or the Senate since 1991
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

how much more insider do you have to be?

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hlthe2b

(102,347 posts)
7. She's boxed herself in, now.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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AGeddy

(509 posts)
8. She's wrong. But that's a pretty mild criticism.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
10. Wait
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:00 PM
Mar 2020

We have three Washington Insiders left in this race - is she saying Bloomberg's billons are better than her tactical on the ground knowledge as a Senator?

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brush

(53,840 posts)
14. Sorry, her and Sanders have both been part of the Democratic "establisment"...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

for decades, Washington insiders themselves, but try to pretend they're not.

WTF?

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
23. Wait? You may want to tell others here that, but I keep seeing that Sanders is
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020

NOT A DEMOCRAT.

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brush

(53,840 posts)
25. Well he's not but he's been in Congress for decades and that definitely qualifies...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

as part of the establishment—a Washington insider.

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TwilightZone

(25,475 posts)
34. From Sanders Senate website:
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:36 PM
Mar 2020

"Sanders Unveils Bill to Combat Corporate Polluters and Protect Drinking Water

ASHINGTON, January 29 – Today, Senators Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) introduced the Prevent Future American Sickness (PFAS) Act to require the cleanup of a class of toxic, so-called “forever chemicals”—known by their acronym PFAS—from America’s drinking water."

Do you see the I? What does that stand for?

Here's his listing on Congress's website:

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033

"Party - Independent"

Let's not pretend that Sanders isn't an Independent. He's only identifying as a Democrat for purposes of this election because it's a requirement.

That doesn't mean he hasn't been in government and part of the Democratic caucus for decades. For him to act as though he's separate from the fray is pretty disingenuous.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
15. so how has the past 3 years of a "non-washington" insider been working out???
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020
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atreides1

(16,092 posts)
16. Question
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020

Is there some kind of time requirement before one is labeled a "Washington insider"?

Isn't every elected official in Washington, an insider?

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turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
17. Good for her.....................
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020
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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
21. I know he is, but what are you?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:07 PM
Mar 2020

Pretty weird statement about Washington insiders from a two-term senator.

Are people allowed to self-determine who is an insider and who is an outsider?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
22. Thank you Senatir Warren for speaking out on this.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020
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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
24. Is Warren still in race?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:11 PM
Mar 2020

oh, ok. Anyway She Is an insider. Bernie is an insider who literally has never had a real job. Really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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nini

(16,672 posts)
29. Meemaw needs to give it up
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

My God.. WTF isn't she a Washington Insider herself?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Bettie

(16,122 posts)
37. Meemaw? Really?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:42 PM
Mar 2020

OH, wait, only old white men can do anything. Women speaking up are just "shrill", right?

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nolabear

(41,991 posts)
33. How long has she been a Senator again?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:35 PM
Mar 2020

C’mon Liz...you and Bernie are both Washington insiders. I love ya girl but stay out of that playbook.

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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
38. I support Elizabeth but it amuses* me to hear/read statements about identifying others as
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 01:49 PM
Mar 2020

"insiders" by people like Liz and Bernie who have been involved in (and received payment for services rendered by) the same Government that they're criticizing. What is this, a Primary or The Twilight Zone? Or both?

*and angers

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