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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:49 PM Mar 2020

Why I voted Sanders

To any Boomers on this site, ya’ll don’t get me. Many of you are well off in the world and looking to retire or are retired. You have good lives and can sustain yourself. You don’t understand my struggle as 19 year old. I'm unlikely to afford college any time soon. I’m not going to be able to afford children. I’m likely to have to work 3 jobs in order to barely maintain an upper lower class life. (And that’s if I’m lucky) My life expectancy is shorter than yours is.

I understand you’ve had some tough times, maybe even working 2 jobs yourself. You got underpaid, there were less labor laws, ect... but that hasn’t stopped many of you from leading successful lives. A much higher percentage than my own generation will have.

Even if you can’t understand all of these plights... at least understand why I voted for Bernie in the TX primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Why I voted Sanders (Original Post) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 OP
Kick and rec jimlup Mar 2020 #1
Ridicule has been a two way street in this campaign. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #4
Has fuck all to do with my point. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #7
Maybe it is time for you to get over it. jimlup Mar 2020 #9
Your anecdotal allegation will be given all the credibility it indeed, warrants. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #45
learn but you are incapable of that jimlup Mar 2020 #169
Most of the Ridicule has been Biden supporters Strelnikov_ Mar 2020 #168
That's what I've seen, too, Strelnikov. BComplex Mar 2020 #183
Thank you LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #5
We do empathize with you dansolo Mar 2020 #17
He hasn't been effective in Congress Rorey Mar 2020 #33
Bingo! stopbush Mar 2020 #153
From what I am reading, they are even expecting him to do nothing and are good with that. LizBeth Mar 2020 #163
Two words. thewhollytoast Mar 2020 #176
That "title" has been debunked. Right here on Democratic Underground. George II Mar 2020 #184
Two words ehrnst Mar 2020 #185
Yep, Biden has certainly helped pass legislation over the years. Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2020 #179
I don't like how this grown man, who has lived in this country... brush Mar 2020 #27
That is wht pisses me off the most is Sanders feeding this idea Democrats have not been the ones LizBeth Mar 2020 #35
You've been reading my mind. MFGsunny Mar 2020 #162
I'm a boomer, and I will be voting for Bernie! Things have to get better for the Meadowoak Mar 2020 #130
I'm a boomer hangaleft Mar 2020 #174
DAMN STRAIGHT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #25
I was 18, enlisted in the military and took control of my outcome, that was beachbumbob Mar 2020 #3
One of the biggest misconceptions about Bernie's politics is that they are aspirational HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #8
Millions Uninsured And His Centerpiece Of Medicare For All Is Not Aspirational? corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #49
It is not doable compounded by the loss of the house and poor senate runs. Democrats aren't picking LizBeth Mar 2020 #53
We Started 2009 With 59/60 Seats In The Senate corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #58
My point. By not going out to vote we then had Republicans take the house and senate. LizBeth Mar 2020 #63
and spent "spent our shot" on getting the ACA passed lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #64
By Your Logic, Delivering The Public Option Will Leave Us With 35 Senators corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #68
right now, we need a return to normalcy lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #69
The return to normalcy isn't a good option for a lot folks. johnthewoodworker Mar 2020 #124
how did the 2018 election work out for the Bernie sponsored candidates? lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #132
I didn't know he sponsored any candidates. I believe OAC and some other progressive representatives johnthewoodworker Mar 2020 #136
Sanders endorsed 15 house candidates in 2018 and five of those won. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #157
Not as bad as we did from 2009 to 2014 delisen Mar 2020 #186
This was all going to happen with Obama in 2008--and Trump in 2016. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #90
I would love to see the crystal ball of those who predict we would loose the house and Senate Perseus Mar 2020 #108
Me too-- not the military, the unemployment-- dawg day Mar 2020 #70
Yes. squirecam Mar 2020 #91
I'm not a Boomer, but... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #6
we need out country direction changed, not blown up. Getting back to 2015 policies is about a beachbumbob Mar 2020 #11
Yep, drop the "r" from that "revolution" he's trying to incite Rorey Mar 2020 #39
Thanks for the understanding LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #13
Why don't you know that the Democrats are and has been fighting for you for decades? LizBeth Mar 2020 #34
I doubt you'll get a response Rorey Mar 2020 #42
My kids wanted to have a conversation with me about politics? They had to be informed. LizBeth Mar 2020 #48
My parents and grandparents were the same. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #106
And you know what? I have read both the kid and the parent say: Even if Sanders gets nothing done LizBeth Mar 2020 #149
We had the same struggles in the economies of the '70s; we get you more than you know LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #10
Great response. brush Mar 2020 #46
Thank you this is how I feel. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #109
I'm a boomer and I understand exactly where you are coming from. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #12
Hear hear!!! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #15
Most of my Boomer friends support Sanders too, though. Jamastiene Mar 2020 #14
I get it vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #16
I'm technically considered a millennial, 35 lived in CA for my whole life SDANation Mar 2020 #18
I am a boomer. What you are saying is wrong. Blue_true Mar 2020 #19
I didn't own furniture or a TV until I was 27 IronLionZion Mar 2020 #20
I was you. I know you. apcalc Mar 2020 #21
Hello, now I'm going to say something you and many others may not like... Baked Potato Mar 2020 #22
You get back what you put in. There was no easy road for many of us, way back then any more LizBeth Mar 2020 #32
Yes, true. Baked Potato Mar 2020 #51
Yes, but... TheRickles Mar 2020 #79
"You get back what you put in." --- Yes! Exactly. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #83
That's fine. But why would Bloomberg be your second choice? AGeddy Mar 2020 #23
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #65
Your first paragraph is based on right-wing framing and misinformation AGeddy Mar 2020 #78
I'm more than a bit of a lefty, but I STILL... TommyCelt Mar 2020 #107
I love that this poster thinks Biden is losing it, look at Bernie right now. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #111
Overall I think you handicapped the field very well Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #131
I completely understand your plight... Moderateguy Mar 2020 #24
Thank you for the great post. I was born in 1960 so i am a younger boomer. CentralMass Mar 2020 #26
Thank you! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #67
Working minimum wage and going to work until I die. You do not know what 4, 5 decades LizBeth Mar 2020 #28
Minimum wage in 1970s... I got $1.65/hour in 1975. dawg day Mar 2020 #142
Why does this generation think, we were just all out buying houses, living the easy life? LizBeth Mar 2020 #144
I remember my boss came to me one day and said, "We're giving you a 25 cent raise!" dawg day Mar 2020 #151
I am sorry you chose to vote for Sanders Evergreen Emerald Mar 2020 #29
Respect. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2020 #30
+1 (n/t) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #71
We do understand snowybirdie Mar 2020 #31
Do you not know we have kids and grandkids like you? nolabear Mar 2020 #36
+1 LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #37
It's actually a good thread. We should speak up more. nolabear Mar 2020 #38
I agree, but it's hard not be impatient with the arrogance of, "you old people don't understand me, LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #40
No kidding. Pre-Reagan. And the WPA. Before my time nolabear Mar 2020 #50
And her life-expectancy claim is demonstrably false LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #52
Well, she's young. I hope she's reading. I care about her. nolabear Mar 2020 #54
Agreed LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #56
THIS is what I discuss with young people. Between social media and now social media politics LizBeth Mar 2020 #59
No offense, but the people you are insulting certainly know what it is like for 19-year-olds R B Garr Mar 2020 #41
Agreed. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #167
Well, I'm a boomer. When I was 19, I was living in a room behind a gas station MineralMan Mar 2020 #43
There are free tuition programs in your state. You don't have to go full-time. Hoyt Mar 2020 #44
Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2020 #47
Let's not forget that we have Trump today, because of disgruntled Bernie supporters last time secondwind Mar 2020 #55
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #57
Exactly, and I know someone will argue that then we should coalesce around Sanders Rorey Mar 2020 #105
You said " That hasn't stopped many of you from leading successful lives." Desert grandma Mar 2020 #60
I'm 70, but I get it. You have my full support Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #61
Respect LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #82
Good for you! Respect. SKKY Mar 2020 #62
Thank you!!! (n/t) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #76
Vote for whomever you want-- but don't blame boomers dawg day Mar 2020 #66
This - my mom was born in 1947 JustAnotherGen Mar 2020 #89
"...hasnt stopped you from leading successful lives". Dont let it stop YOU either. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #72
Something that is different now is all these billionaires- dawg day Mar 2020 #152
Their wealth has only recently gotten to the levels of 100 yrs ago. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #166
I'm 44 and not well off RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #73
I get your point. I'm a reluctant boomer. Born in 62 rufus dog Mar 2020 #74
I consider 1962'ers to be older Gen X. JenniferJuniper Mar 2020 #93
Agree we were after the Vietnam War. Hit puberty after the 60s rufus dog Mar 2020 #146
Bottom line...Bernie cannot deliver what he is selling ashredux Mar 2020 #75
I have read both mother and daughter state that does not matter he can't deliver. Makes NO sense. LizBeth Mar 2020 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2020 #77
Good for you! Thank you for voting. One question: CapnSteve Mar 2020 #80
Of course!! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #86
Yay! I have some friends who are Bernie Bro's... CapnSteve Mar 2020 #159
Bernie takes advantage of the inexperienced. He says that you can have everything and for free. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #81
Totally appreciate that JustAnotherGen Mar 2020 #84
I hear you LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #122
It's great that you voted! H2O Man Mar 2020 #85
Thank you!! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #97
Thank you, H20 Man. democrank Mar 2020 #102
Oh, thanks! H2O Man Mar 2020 #118
I blame Youth Soccer for many of today's problems. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #87
Everybody gets a trophy. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #104
Really. ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #88
+1 LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #100
+1000 sheshe2 Mar 2020 #112
Yes. Skidmore Mar 2020 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Mar 2020 #92
For you, LaelthsDaughter democrank Mar 2020 #94
Feeling the love LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #103
This is what happens when you listen. democrank Mar 2020 #113
Amen LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #135
You did what you felt was the right thing to do, and I applaud you and agree with your decision Perseus Mar 2020 #95
Thank you for the support LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #116
I'm Faux pas Mar 2020 #96
Agreed! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #120
I get it. JeaneRaye Mar 2020 #98
Thank you! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #123
Easy life boomers Traildogbob Mar 2020 #99
Wow! Rebl2 Mar 2020 #101
I did say most, right? Not all (n/t) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #125
Quite often the parents Skidmore Mar 2020 #110
Many of us who oppose Sanders are progressive. cab67 Mar 2020 #114
You sound much like me ... and this is my exact same thinking re: Bern, so let me say ... THIS! (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #181
It's tough for conservatives to let go of the past. I have faith in the younger generation. jalan48 Mar 2020 #115
This is why I'm 300% on board with Bernie. Malmsy Mar 2020 #143
I like him and Warren. The other candidates are just kicking the can down the road which will jalan48 Mar 2020 #145
The Boomers in this household MuseRider Mar 2020 #117
Thank you LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #128
I care about all of us. MuseRider Mar 2020 #133
Starting off your reasoning with an insult relayerbob Mar 2020 #121
You misunderstand. I'm not reasoning with anyone, but explaining myself (n/t) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #129
"struggle as a 19 year old"????? Poeraria Mar 2020 #126
For sure! Rebl2 Mar 2020 #161
Youth's problem historically is sparking a lot of energy. Then not actually voting. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #127
Agree with you LakeArenal but to the original poster..... Codifer Mar 2020 #170
I also forgot to mention LakeArenal Mar 2020 #172
Good to know obnoxiousdrunk Mar 2020 #134
Indeed LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #138
When you start "to any boomers" MyNameGoesHere Mar 2020 #137
I appreciate that you read what I had have to say (n/t) LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #139
I'm Gen X and I still don't get you Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #140
I'm Gen X, and I am the OP's dad. Laelth Mar 2020 #141
What A Pathetic & Uninformed Post Me. Mar 2020 #147
Damn good post budkin Mar 2020 #148
It's not the boomers that are destroying the futures of the young millennials. kentuck Mar 2020 #150
I 100% get you , that is why I voted for JOE !!!!!!!!! stonecutter357 Mar 2020 #154
No need to explain why you voted for Bernie d_b Mar 2020 #155
How much have you been able to save towards college? What kind of tuition are you looking at? jmg257 Mar 2020 #156
I doubt I'm as young as you, but I'm not a """Boomer""" either. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #160
Imagine a world youth voted and all Democrats could accomplish for you and your future. LizBeth Mar 2020 #164
Thank you for saying it! IVoteDFL Mar 2020 #165
I wish you all the best in the world SharonClark Mar 2020 #171
I agree with Sanders' ideas pretty much 100% alarimer Mar 2020 #173
you assumed? BootinUp Mar 2020 #175
Exactly. still_one Mar 2020 #177
Ya, my fellow boomer II's had real peachy times during and after RAYGUN. fleabiscuit Mar 2020 #178
I hear you. These things are real MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #180
You, and the young, are pretty much all I care about now. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #182
 

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
1. Kick and rec
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

I'm a boomer ... I certainly don't share life experience (well at least many decades separate us), nevertheless, I think I get you. I'm probably voting Bernie next Tuesday in Michigan. Have not completely solidified but the more people here ridicule him and his voters the more I am inclined towards him.

I'm a progressive and I'm tired of being pushed around by the mainstream. Maybe it is time for them to listen rather than talk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
2. Ridicule has been a two way street in this campaign.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #2)

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
7. Has fuck all to do with my point.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
9. Maybe it is time for you to get over it.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

I personally have never ridiculed any Biden supporter here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. Your anecdotal allegation will be given all the credibility it indeed, warrants.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020

"Get over it" is indeed, the absolute opposite of petulant ridicule, and akin the the weighty gravity of an elder statesman.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
169. learn but you are incapable of that
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:17 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
168. Most of the Ridicule has been Biden supporters
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 09:44 PM
Mar 2020

Just do an honest accounting of this forum.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BComplex

(8,060 posts)
183. That's what I've seen, too, Strelnikov.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

The most bullying I've ever experienced ANYWHERE in my 70 years has been by the Biden supporters on Democratic Underground. They jump in with really mean talking points on every thread where anyone says anything good about Bernie Sanders. They really really hate him!!! And they hate and bully anyone that says nice things about him!!!

I have yet to see anyone being that way toward Biden. Not anywhere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
5. Thank you
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:55 PM
Mar 2020

It feels nice to know that there are others who can at least empathize with what I and my generation are going through! <3

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
17. We do empathize with you
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:05 PM
Mar 2020

I take offense at the suggestion that only Bernie cares about you. My issue has always been that slogans and empty promises do absolutely nothing to help people like you. Do you know what does? Passing legislation. But Bernie has repeatedly attacked the very same people he would need to pass any legislation. Then what? How does that help you and your situation?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
33. He hasn't been effective in Congress
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:52 PM
Mar 2020

But they expect him to be an effective President.

It astounds me that some people don't want to look at the facts, and instead believe pie in the sky promises.

But some people will believe what they want to believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
163. From what I am reading, they are even expecting him to do nothing and are good with that.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 08:53 PM
Mar 2020

What sense does that make.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thewhollytoast

(318 posts)
176. Two words.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:17 AM
Mar 2020

Amendment King.

Toast

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
184. That "title" has been debunked. Right here on Democratic Underground.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:33 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
185. Two words
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020
Long ago.



As of 2016...

In the current Congress, Sanders ranks fourth when it comes to the number of career roll call amendments passed, according GovTrack founder, Josh Tauberer. The three lawmakers who top him are Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., with 27 in 15 years in Congress; Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., with 24 in 33 years; and Rep Steve King, R-Iowa, with 22 in 13 years.


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
179. Yep, Biden has certainly helped pass legislation over the years.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:32 AM
Mar 2020
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Social_issues

THAT overall record gets people excited?

I’ll still vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, of course, but only because of the Republican alternative.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,840 posts)
27. I don't like how this grown man, who has lived in this country...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:46 PM
Mar 2020

all his life, can so misread the nation and mislead his supporters into thinking that this country will elect a socialist—especially now when there is no economic downturn. It's just not going to happen. The naivete is stunning. Why do you think trump and the repugs keep pushing for Sanders? They know the country is not going to elect a socialist so they want him to be trump's opponent.

I do relate to your circumstances though (been there, done that. Every generation goes through it), but things will get better, opportunities will open up. Pls be prepared when they do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
35. That is wht pisses me off the most is Sanders feeding this idea Democrats have not been the ones
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:57 PM
Mar 2020

fighting all this time to give those that need, all that they have been able to accomplish. White wash it all, while he did nothing for 3 decades. To sit there and throw out bogus free this and free that knowing well it will never happen. And raising the expectations of the kids to feel that it is a can do thing, throwing away the opportunity to actually accomplish it with a strong blue wave dem win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
162. You've been reading my mind.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 08:29 PM
Mar 2020

And yes, we are BETTER than this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Meadowoak

(5,556 posts)
130. I'm a boomer, and I will be voting for Bernie! Things have to get better for the
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

Younger generation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
174. I'm a boomer
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:05 AM
Mar 2020

I definitely hear you and have a sense of how you’re feeling. Of course, it’s impossible for me to truly know your plight because I’m not living it. But I know that many, if not most, of my generation let you down. And, by dismissing and dissing Bernie, are continuing to do so.

I can understand voters’ reluctance to vote for Sanders. I think that Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. But, I’m not gonna run scared. Nor am I gonna think only of myself. If Warren withdraws, I will vote for Sanders in my primary. I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that he’ll lose, I think he could win. I wouldn’t vote for him if I felt he was certain to lose. But I think dramatic changes... real hope and real, fundamental change... are long overdue. For your generation, and mine as well.

Joe Biden might be the safer choice. But I believe he represents more of the same. I don’t mean more of Trump. I mean more of the same ole thing, which will do nothing to alleviate you of your need to work three jobs just to have the basics in life while Mitt Romney installs a car elevator in one of his many mansions. Something is extremely askew when those circumstances are allowed to continue unchecked. And they will continue unchecked under a Biden administration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
25. DAMN STRAIGHT!!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:43 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. I was 18, enlisted in the military and took control of my outcome, that was
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020

nearly 50 years ago. When I ended my service, unemployment rate was nearly 20% in the county I lived in, interest rates soon soared to 18%. I was married, had a 2 year daughter. Don't think for ONE blasted second that boomers didn't face their challenges.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
8. One of the biggest misconceptions about Bernie's politics is that they are aspirational
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:59 PM
Mar 2020

They are clearly not aspirational, as evidenced by the OP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
49. Millions Uninsured And His Centerpiece Of Medicare For All Is Not Aspirational?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:19 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
53. It is not doable compounded by the loss of the house and poor senate runs. Democrats aren't picking
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

on Sanders choosing their candidates. Sanders just does not like that once again he is the outsider. Always the outsider and one more reason he would be a poor choice. The playing field is a little more fair without so many Democrats splitting the vote and Sanders and his supporters are crying foul. Poor white man needing special treatment, kind of like the whole bottom line of his 5 decades spiel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
58. We Started 2009 With 59/60 Seats In The Senate
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:32 PM
Mar 2020

What do we have today?

Besides, you need to consult your lexicon on the word aspire.

Per Merriam-Webster

to seek to attain or accomplish a particular goal

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
63. My point. By not going out to vote we then had Republicans take the house and senate.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020

People that were about stopping getting things done. During that couple years progressives we elected got a lot of things done, but we pretend we do not remember or worse, we actually are not informed enough to know all we got done. We want progressive law? We vote the people in that will give it to us. If we do not do that, we do not get I do not care who you get in that top office.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
64. and spent "spent our shot" on getting the ACA passed
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

which then cost us the Senate and the House...

So how is it that you all are going to get us the needed 61 Senators to pass M4A with President Sanders waiting to sign the bill?

And if we had such a majority, what would happen in the next election cycle when all of us have to pick up the tab for it. Or lets say you cancel the military... we don't need that, right? And Russia decides to take back the Baltic States, the Ukraine, Poland, Eastern Europe... what we will do then... our European allies will pick up the tab?

Think Putin doesn't want to do that? You haven't been paying attention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
68. By Your Logic, Delivering The Public Option Will Leave Us With 35 Senators
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020

Hard pass!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
69. right now, we need a return to normalcy
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:49 PM
Mar 2020

and people like the ACA... and if YOU would fight and elect progressive Dems to the House and Senate... then maybe we can extend and fix the ACA and offer a public option.

Buit if you think Sanders will get more socialists into the Senate right now or even keep the House... you are fooling yourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
124. The return to normalcy isn't a good option for a lot folks.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:53 PM
Mar 2020

Vote for whoever works for you. As a progressive, I voted for Hillary. How did that work out for us? How did we do in the senate and congressional races in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
132. how did the 2018 election work out for the Bernie sponsored candidates?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:04 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
136. I didn't know he sponsored any candidates. I believe OAC and some other progressive representatives
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:10 PM
Mar 2020

were elected. I don't think Bernie sponsored them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
157. Sanders endorsed 15 house candidates in 2018 and five of those won.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:48 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders endorsed two U.S. Senate candidate and both won election to the Senate.
Sanders endorsed 15 U.S. House candidates and five won election to the House.
Sanders endorsed eight gubernatorial candidate and two won election, with one race pending.
Sanders endorsed four lieutenant gubernatorial candidates and two won election.
Sanders endorsed two attorney general candidates, one won the election.
Sanders supported 26 ballot measures. Of those, 17 were approved and seven were defeated with two remaining pending.
Sanders opposed seven ballot measures. Of those, three were defeated while the remaining four were approved.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
186. Not as bad as we did from 2009 to 2014
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:52 PM
Mar 2020

in our loses of. all democratic seats -over 1000 seats lost around the country while were congratulating ourselves on having regained the executive branch in 2008.The Democratic PArty in 2016 was a shadow of what it was in 2008.....and then came Putin.......

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
90. This was all going to happen with Obama in 2008--and Trump in 2016.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:14 PM
Mar 2020

Unless someone can point me to their time-machine or crystal ball, I am going to have to cast aside any election prophecies.

All that needs to happen to appeal to Sanders voters is fairness. It's a concept that as Democrats we should embrace. There should not be the appearance of unfairness; that's all. Fortunately, if he is as unelectable as everyone says, there are no consequences to his full participation, except for more people participating. Fairness and participation are good things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
108. I would love to see the crystal ball of those who predict we would loose the house and Senate
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

if Sanders wins the nomination. Memes are really effective.

Can you please provide the analysis that tells you that if Sanders wins the nomination we would loose the house and not win the Senate? But no "he said/she said" please, solid data is important, the rest are just people's opinions who are supporting another candidate. A lot of people say that trump will run circles around Biden, I bet you disagree with that opinion, right?

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/04/joe-biden-electable-trump-2020-election|

And about Medicate For All:

[link:https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/19/lancet_report_medicare_for_all|

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
70. Me too-- not the military, the unemployment--
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:49 PM
Mar 2020

I graduated from college in 1980. There was 15% unemployment in my state. I had a temp job for 9 months, then did retail-- all I could get-- for awhile, then did substitute teaching for years. I got more targeted education, but I was already so far behind. I've never earned even $40K a year, which means my SS will be-- wait for it-- $1162 a month.

Life is difficult always for upwards of 70% of the population of any generation. We should keep that in mind when we start grousing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
91. Yes.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:15 PM
Mar 2020

When I got out of law school, my first job guaranteed me $400 a week after taxes. My rent and student loan payment was $1600. So I had no $ for everything else, and had to run up further debt and figure out how to survive month to month until I could make $.

Things weren’t rosey for our generation either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,376 posts)
6. I'm not a Boomer, but...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:56 PM
Mar 2020

I get why you are upset.

I don;t get why you think that dude is gonna be able to help you.

He's full of promises for sure, but short on how any of that will actually happen.

FWIW, my daughter is 17, and I am well aware of the world she is facing. It's scary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. we need out country direction changed, not blown up. Getting back to 2015 policies is about a
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

1000000000000000000x improvement of where we are now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
39. Yep, drop the "r" from that "revolution" he's trying to incite
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:01 PM
Mar 2020

A lot of things need to change, but to blow up everything isn't the answer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
13. Thanks for the understanding
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020

Whether he can help or not is a good question. I’m very happy he is at least fighting for the things that can help me as I move forward in life. Thank you for the understanding.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
34. Why don't you know that the Democrats are and has been fighting for you for decades?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:53 PM
Mar 2020

Why don't you already know that not only have the Democrats been fighting for you, but they are the one getting the increase in minimum wage is so many areas of the country? Fighting for the pell grants to help kids go to college? Fighting the medical complex to get you insured?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
42. I doubt you'll get a response
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:05 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders is telling them, basically, the line, "I alone can fix it." Now where have we heard that before?

And like the MAGAts believe Orangeface, they believe Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
48. My kids wanted to have a conversation with me about politics? They had to be informed.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:19 PM
Mar 2020

Do their research, know what they were talking about because they were not going to get a pat on the head simply by parroting. I can remember when one was only like eight. We were very socially oriented in our house, always having conversations about what was happening in the world. Their whole lifetime. One of them came to me, parroting what I had said about something. I told the kid that she did not get to just use my words as argument, she had to do her research and know what she was talking about. Then come back and have the conversation.

That is probably why both of mine see thru Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
106. My parents and grandparents were the same.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

We were expected to be informed, using more than one credible source. We were taught to question everything, respectfully. Good for you raising good citizens.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
149. And you know what? I have read both the kid and the parent say: Even if Sanders gets nothing done
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:01 PM
Mar 2020

with absurd promises. And what I have to say is, I am old, need that insurance now, how dare you dismiss my life with this protest vote against the Democratic party. Talk about? Some of us need Biden or any Democrat to get in and again strengthen ACA for our lives, ensure the procedures are being paid for, make certain preexisting is covered. I got all the preemptive tests done and told what to watch for and when to get further preemptive tests. But now, it is considered preexisting and they are starting to not pay.

Some of us need more than just an, oh well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
10. We had the same struggles in the economies of the '70s; we get you more than you know
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

Where we differ is in how to make things better; many of us are unwilling to trust our future, and that of our children and grandchildren, to a career politician who never held a normal job, has attacked both allies and foes equally for decades, has no record of substantive achievement, and has no basis for forming the type of coalition within the government to actually get anything done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
109. Thank you this is how I feel.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
12. I'm a boomer and I understand exactly where you are coming from.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:01 PM
Mar 2020

Your generation is the first in quite a while that will most likely do worse than your parents did. My parents grew up during the great depression and they passed on to me a life that was more comfortable than what they had to go through. Now it's the responsibility of we boomers to support forward looking policies that will at least give younger generations that same chance that we had.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
14. Most of my Boomer friends support Sanders too, though.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020

It's not a generational question. It is a where are you on the political spectrum question. I don't get singling out Boomers when most of my friends who are the biggest Sanders supporters actually are Boomers. I have friends who support all of the ones running except Gabbard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
16. I get it
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:05 PM
Mar 2020

I'm only 10 years older than you. I had to deal with the recession and had to find a job to help support my mom and I for a bit. I get that struggle. I didn't go to college because of the prices. I did however go into trade because of the huge demand for it. But you voted with you heart and I respect that. But let's be honestly. You're getting promised unicorns.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SDANation

(419 posts)
18. I'm technically considered a millennial, 35 lived in CA for my whole life
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

So I kinda, and I emphasize kinda get where you are coming from but I disagree. I struggled I’ve been there. Come from a middle class working family.

I took minimum wage jobs to get by. When I got serious about school, luckily in CA we have waivers for class fees at community college if you live under a certain income level, which I qualified for. I took all of my undergrad classes at a community college level for free and paid for my books by picking up extra shifts etc. When I transferred to a bigger college to complete my BSN, I took student loans cause that’s what I had to do to get my license to practice. It sucks and a sacrifice but that’s what I had to do.

Now I have a great paying job with great benefits that is very rewarding in all areas. My problem is with everything Bernie is proposing he, will ending up inadvertently hurting me, because it will require higher taxes on me and others like me, who worked their asses off to get to where we are. That’s not okay with me. I believe in a progressive tax code that heavily taxes the ultra rich and rich in general but based on his proposals middle class family’s like mine are going to feel the cost greater.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. I am a boomer. What you are saying is wrong.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

I faced massive hurdles and worked to overcome them with the help of my parents and some family. Some strangers gave me stuff that was beneficial to me, but that was far in-between. If you think someone is going to be a hero for you, you likely won't get very far toward where you want to be. Every generation has it's massive challenges, there is not a lot special about yours. You say climate change? Guess what, my generation dealt with really poison water and food, a killer disease in AIDS, and war.

I prefer voting for a person that has an actual track record of accomplishments, that is why I almost certainly will vote for Biden on March 17 in Florida. I have found from experiences that unproven promises only result in me getting set back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
20. I didn't own furniture or a TV until I was 27
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

didn't get my first US citizen coworker until I was 31 despite being born and raised in the USA. So I can see why many lower income and service industry workers are feeling the Bern and don't have much to lose because they don't have much. Where you are at 19 does not have to be where you stay. It can get much better for you later in life. Don't be discouraged.

Our party's nomination will be decided long before I can vote in the DC primary. But I can already see the trend by income on what sort of people are backing Biden vs Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
21. I was you. I know you.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

I know you are hopeful with Sanders, I just don’t believe he can deliver on anything to help you.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
22. Hello, now I'm going to say something you and many others may not like...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

When I was your age, I was working for a small California town as a sanitation engineer. I was a garbage man. I was making $3.25 an hour. I got married at 20. I, and Mrs Potato were poor kids, from poor families. No help at all from family or life.

We decided we wanted some good stuff and also a family to raise as our own. Pretty simple aspirations. The economy was crap at the end of Carter’s term. So, I did what millions of other young people did to move up. I joined the Military. I was a smart little poor boy, so I scored high on their tests and got a good skills. Immediately, our standard of living went up, manyfold.

We got medical care, we had children, we traveled all over the world. We had money, nice living conditions, and children. Our children cost about $20 each to have, due to good medical benefits. I worked my ass off and advanced in rank rapidly and 20 years flew by. College and higher education was absolutely affordable in the service.

I “retired” from the Army at 43 years old. I’m sure, nowadays, the military looks like a terrible job for many, but it was good to me. You get back what you put in. The military is the fairest job I ever had. Minorities and females have good, level playing fields to work and advance on.

Being well off means different things to different folks. It’s all just a big comparison to whatever your life’s experiences are. Good luck, and I know you will make it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
32. You get back what you put in. There was no easy road for many of us, way back then any more
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:49 PM
Mar 2020

than an easy road today for so many.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRickles

(2,077 posts)
79. Yes, but...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:04 PM
Mar 2020

Great story, and kudos to you for finding your path to success. But don't forget that the military is a socialized system - it's a government run program that provides good value for its participants because its goals are so highly valued by our government. The VA, the GI Bill, good pensions, etc. - these benefits are all government-supported and are admirable, but something similar should be available to everyone, non-veterans too. Unfortunately, our government has put its resources elsewhere and over-prioritized the military. If we led the world in spending on education or child care, say, rather than weapons, then many more millions of Americans could enjoy the fruits of their labor as you have been able to do. It's a good model, one that should be made available to many more people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
83. "You get back what you put in." --- Yes! Exactly.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AGeddy

(509 posts)
23. That's fine. But why would Bloomberg be your second choice?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:21 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to AGeddy (Reply #23)

 

AGeddy

(509 posts)
78. Your first paragraph is based on right-wing framing and misinformation
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:04 PM
Mar 2020

Biden has battled stuttering his whole life. That makes him sometimes have verbal gaffes. It has nothing to do with losing (not "loosing" ) his mental capabilities - he has had this propensity his entire life.

Verbal gaffes are meaningless nowadays, Trump has shown that. Biden will hire the right staff.



ps. Warren has at least as much momentum as Bloomberg does. Based on what you said you believe in, Warren should be your second choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TommyCelt

(838 posts)
107. I'm more than a bit of a lefty, but I STILL...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

...have an issue that this man (Bernie) had a heart attack not a few months ago. Before I will feel comfortable with a Sanders presidency, I will need to have FULL confidence in his VP pick. Yes, all the candidates are elderly. But only one has had a major coronary event in the last year, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't like the choices (or chances) we have, quite frankly.

#bluenomatterwho nonetheless...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
111. I love that this poster thinks Biden is losing it, look at Bernie right now.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

He has had a heart attack, is well over 70 and won't release his medical records. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sanders is really going to look his age at the end of the primary season.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
131. Overall I think you handicapped the field very well
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:04 PM
Mar 2020

No question Biden has lost a step. If he is the nominee then everything can look swell until a key debate moment against Trump in which Biden suddenly loses trend of thought and comes across as very old. That is almost likely to happen as opposed to merely a possibility. No question Bloomberg would have greater chance to beat Trump than Biden would. All the outrages here against Bloomberg the past two weeks would not impact November at all.

The greatest clarity here was a couple of weeks ago when we had threads calling for a Bloomberg/Klobuchar ticket. Now people in those threads would be embarrassed they called for such a thing. Meanwhile what has changed? Nothing has changed. But it's simply the difference between people who understand the big picture and people who frantically ingest every variable and think every one of them mandates an overreaction.

I understand your generation's passion for Sanders. An older woman I know switched from Obama to Trump while her granddaughter is gung ho for Bernie Sanders. The grandmother was baffled and asked me to explain it. I detailed all the long term concerns facing that generation, the ones you described so well. The grandmother kept nodding her head while saying, "Oh, I see. I see." It really doesn't occur to them unless spelled out.

We didn't have an ideal candidate. I wish your liberal vehicle could have been a younger charismatic male who is not a self-described socialist and actually a Democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
24. I completely understand your plight...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:30 PM
Mar 2020

You have a right to vote for whoever you choose.

I do not support Bernie, not because I don't like his policies, but because I do not believe that Bernie is capable of delivering on any of it. In fact, I believe that with Bernie as the nominee, not only would we lose the Presidential race but we would lose congress as well. And if that happens, we are going to accelerate going in the exact opposite direction of where Bernie wants to take us.

Even the last couple of weeks, as the front-runner he had a significant opportunity to show he could build coalitions to get things done. Instead, he chose to repeatedly attack the democratic party-the party who's stand-bearer he would need to be as the nominee.

Politics is basically the art of compromise. No one is able to get everything, or even close to everything, that they want. You need to be able to build relationships and coalitions to get things done. Even AOC, who has been in politics for less than 3 years, shows signs of understanding that. Yet, Bernie with a 30-year congressional career does not understand how DC works. He thinks of himself as a revolutionary figure- but there cannot be a 1 man revolution at the ballot box. You need support from others to get it done.

This is basically why I can never support Bernie. If he turns out to be the nominee, I will vote for him but I cannot get enthusiastic about his candidacy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
26. Thank you for the great post. I was born in 1960 so i am a younger boomer.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:45 PM
Mar 2020

I get you. I have three daughters in their 20's. They are out of college and saddled with college loans and I have s peice of their loans myself. I fear for the quality of life they will have. The jobs pay little well rents and the cist of living are high. Ive already had one tell me she doesn't plan on having children, "it isn't a financial possibility"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
67. Thank you!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:45 PM
Mar 2020

It’s very comforting to hear the support! I wish the best for you and your daughters! <3

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
28. Working minimum wage and going to work until I die. You do not know what 4, 5 decades
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:46 PM
Mar 2020

down the road will look like for you. I do know what a decade or two down the road will look like for me.

You can afford a two year college to get prerequisites done and live at home and work. You can save money and finish up college. Many of us did that in our generations. We couldn't afford to go away to college and incur debt any more than today. In my time it was not even a consideration.

You have another 4 decades of health for the HC situation to get resolved. We who need it now are desperately finding ways to throw in fixes now.

I had a 25 yr old looking to buy a house, working the same minimum wage job as me. After a couple of day going thru the process of learning the ends and outs, what the market looks like he sits back and says, well it is harder for our generation to buy a house than yours. At minimum wage, NO ONE in our generation bought a house either. I told him to look up minimum wage of the 70's.

Single women never had it easy, nor POC. We all had hurtles thrown at us. Women had separate listings for jobs from men. Reflective of wage. Financial success was almost impossible.

My two kids are in their lower 20's. I well understand the circumstances of the situation with your generation as I am still paying it.

And I do understand why you voted for Sanders. Mine are going for a solid Democrat that will make the house and senate winnable so we can get a Democrat in and progressively move forward to make life better for all of us. Try to understand where we are coming from. Because I do not think there is a lot of that going on either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
142. Minimum wage in 1970s... I got $1.65/hour in 1975.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:51 PM
Mar 2020

Minimum wage is never ever enough to live on. It's just terrible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
144. Why does this generation think, we were just all out buying houses, living the easy life?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:57 PM
Mar 2020

Because they do not have a foot in the reality of it and I have to wonder, why not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
151. I remember my boss came to me one day and said, "We're giving you a 25 cent raise!"
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:05 PM
Mar 2020

I was so pleased. Turned out the company had just gotten word that the minimum wage would be raised 25 cents the first of the year. This was Dec 15. The boss was trying to get credit for it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
29. I am sorry you chose to vote for Sanders
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:46 PM
Mar 2020

It scares me to think that Trump will win another four years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

snowybirdie

(5,233 posts)
31. We do understand
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:47 PM
Mar 2020

We were where you were years ago. It's hard. But I for one can't see how Sanders can govern without cooperating with others. We need to heal first. But don't give up on the process. It IS your future. Let's hope together all will be better. Good luck

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
36. Do you not know we have kids and grandkids like you?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

I HATE this “Boomers don’t get it” stuff. We’re not fools. We’ve been poor kids and many are poor elders who are working to help our families to afford things this ridiculous trend toward ogliarchy and authoritarianism is doing to us all. We are literally vulnerable when it comes to life and death as we need more medical care. We can go bankrupt from health care costs.

But I’m telling you, Bernie’s policies are like leaping a too wide chasm rather than building a bridge. He cannot just will things into place. That establishment he rails against—all those boomers he’s a part of whether he likes it or not—holds power in the Senate and House and are the wells of experience to draw from as he would strive to fill positions. He has to work with them. Who’s the down ticket he’s fighting for? Who’s the global community he’s got trusting relationships with?

It does not happen by magic. I sympathize. I want a better world for all y’all young people. But you do not have the experience, networks, credibility, resources, etc. to do these things without the help and nurturance of us clueless elder boomers. We can either work together or you can cast us aside and lose to the monsters who don’t give a damn about you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
38. It's actually a good thread. We should speak up more.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
40. I agree, but it's hard not be impatient with the arrogance of, "you old people don't understand me,
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:02 PM
Mar 2020

but I understand you."

I wonder what she would think about the tax rates we had back then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
50. No kidding. Pre-Reagan. And the WPA. Before my time
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:22 PM
Mar 2020

but so much got done! Boomers build the highway system, the waterways, the space program, the communications systems, computers...they didn’t come from nowhere, and we paid for them. The fact they’ve been neglected and pillaged isn’t boomers’ fault. It’s privateers and Republicans’ fault.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
52. And her life-expectancy claim is demonstrably false
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:24 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
54. Well, she's young. I hope she's reading. I care about her.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t care to be misrepresented but I sympathize with the anxiety. That might be the real harmful legacy we gave them. Anxiety about the future and a sense we don’t care either.

I hope we can do better all around, and teach them to as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
59. THIS is what I discuss with young people. Between social media and now social media politics
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:33 PM
Mar 2020

what their young brains are being fed is a conditioning. It does not serve them well. Think outside that box that they are rigidly keeping themselves wrapped in.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
41. No offense, but the people you are insulting certainly know what it is like for 19-year-olds
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

starting out in life. Very few people make enough at 19 -- one year out of high school -- to fully support themselves without roommates or multiple jobs. That's mostly because they are still very young and focusing on learning a trade, so they make sacrifices for those endeavors. If you have parental help still at your age, you are very lucky. Try living with divorced parents who hated one another and wouldn't raise a finger for their children out of spite.

Sorry, but these stories about "Bernie" sound a bit forced. Good luck to you, though!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
43. Well, I'm a boomer. When I was 19, I was living in a room behind a gas station
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

where I worked for $1.25/hour. I couldn't see how I would move on from that. I ended up joining the USAF, where I started at $96/month with free room and board. I spend four years in the USAF, and when I left, I was getting $256/month.

It took several years before I could complete college on the GI bill, sharing a $96/month run-down house with two other guys. Eventually, though, i made my way, but it took a long, long time, and a lot of hard work.

At 19, though, I had no idea how I'd survive. So, I do understand where you're coming from. There is hope.

You voted for the candidate you prefer. Good for you. That's a privilege living in this country gives you. I won't criticize your vote. You think Bernie offers you the best alternative at this time. OK.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
44. There are free tuition programs in your state. You don't have to go full-time.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:12 PM
Mar 2020

It could give you a good start on a better future, and a better job quickly.

A few ideas:

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740387601/university-of-texas-austin-promises-free-tuition-for-low-income-students-in-2020

https://www.gpb.org/blogs/georgia-at-work/2017/05/22/want-free-college-tuition-georgia-here’s-how-you-can-get-it

Don’t want to minimize the challenges, but you’ll be better off by taking a few college courses. In a few years, you won’t be sitting there saying you wish you had started earlier.

Anyway, good luck and thanks for voting and posting here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
55. Let's not forget that we have Trump today, because of disgruntled Bernie supporters last time
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:28 PM
Mar 2020


around.... who either didn't vote or voted Green, etc.

THIS TIME AROUND, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY. I hope and pray that we will all coalesce around one person,
and I truly believe that one person is Joe Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
105. Exactly, and I know someone will argue that then we should coalesce around Sanders
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:28 PM
Mar 2020

If he gets the nomination, we'll damn sure vote for him in the general. But we Democrats who will vote for him in the general will not be enough. Once the repukes say the word "socialist" in every ad they run, a whole lot of people won't vote for him. Trump wins. And we're all screwed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
60. You said " That hasn't stopped many of you from leading successful lives."
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:33 PM
Mar 2020

That is probably true, but it is because we had the motivation and the determination to improve our circumstances. I was a very poor Hispanic student that could not afford college either. We had NO scholarships then, we only had student loans. My dad had to cosign each year so I could attend the 4 year state school in our city. After completing two years on the Dean's List, I grew very concerned about the size of the loan. So I decided to leave college to work for a semester. Well, I got a job with TWA and that led to other jobs in the travel industry, and I never did go back to college. I did not get my BS until I was 45 and was able to complete an accredited college online.

So I understand your struggle because as a 19 year old, that was my struggle. Young boys who could not afford college were sent to Vietnam and many died there. Most of those young guys had no say so either due to the draft and the fact that they couldn't vote until they were 21 at that time. Many of my friends had brothers in this situation. Many of us Boomers lived through very difficult and tumultuous times. I mention this to demonstrate that there are many issues like income inequality and access to health care that have always been a part of American life as far back as I can remember. That is why I became a Democrat and have voted in every election since I was eligible.

I hope you will be able to understand that those of us who are voting for Biden are doing so based on our experiences. While Bernie has wonderful ideas, I do not think he would ever be able to get them passed, especially if we lose House and Senate seats. Many of us think that's what will happen if Bernie is the nominee. Trump won in the red belt states that we need to win the electoral college. We need to win back those states to win in 2020. We do not want to take a risk on nominating a candidate that we think will be soundly defeated in a GE. The stakes are too high. Having said that, I wish you the best. Do not give up.

With a Democrat in the White House you will probably get health care through a Medicaid/Medicare Public Option right away. Gov. Abbott declined to expand Medicaid in your state. In my youth, we had to hope we never became sick, because we had no health or dental insurance. Both Bernie and Biden are advocating affordable college. Biden has proposed making all community colleges free while Bernie is proposing to make all colleges free. So you see, in many ways you will have more opportunity with a Democrat in the White House than many of us "Boomers" did. That's why most of us say, Vote Blue No Matter Who.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
61. I'm 70, but I get it. You have my full support
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:35 PM
Mar 2020

I know you have a fight in front of you. For as long as I'm alive, count me on your side. I'm not well off but it wouldn't matter if I was. Some times good work and concentrated effort "pays off, some times it doesn't. I worked in mental health, community organizing, and environmental activism. That's not where money has ever been at in America, but I have no regrets. I love the life I've had so far. It's more your future than it is mine, I won't second guess you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
82. Respect
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you for the work you’ve done! It makes me happy to see you helped with mental health as that is a big concern I would like adressed more!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SKKY

(11,818 posts)
62. Good for you! Respect.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
66. Vote for whomever you want-- but don't blame boomers
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020

Some boomers are well off. Ask single women of that age whether they're well off. Ask the man disabled after 40 years of manual labor who can't find a job if he's well off.

Just stop with the delusion that all boomers or even most boomers are so well off. Many of us are figuring we'll be working well into our 70s. Maybe your parents are doing great, but most of my friends certainly are not.

Even the better off boomers weren't well off at 19. We worked our way through college. We had roommates. We just have lived longer and had more earning years by now.

Your generation has 50 years to earn what some boomers have now. You might do great.

Stoking generational warfare has always been a weapon of the right. Let's not fall for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
89. This - my mom was born in 1947
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:12 PM
Mar 2020

As a VP of Hotel Management firm - Vice President -

She never made half of what I do - with far more responsibility. She shattered a ceiling - but now - she's thankful my dad was retired prior to passing away.

Because of decades of low pay for professional women - her SS income would have been far less than my dads.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
72. "...hasnt stopped you from leading successful lives". Dont let it stop YOU either.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:52 PM
Mar 2020

People your age are making it every day here. In many different ways. If you dont see opportunity where you live, move to somewhere that does have opportunity. Learn a trade; trade jobs are hurting for workers & the jobs pay well. Dont waste your money on a college degree that isnt a sure-fire job getter. Save your money, get educated & dont have any kids yet. That puts you ahead of a LOT of people your age. Same as it was for me 40 yrs ago.
There are many ways to succeed. To some of my wealthier friends, I'm probably not doing that great because of where i live & what i drive. But i can pay my bills & enjoy life for the most part.
Dont give up on it. Bernie Sanders isnt going to provide it either. No politician will

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
152. Something that is different now is all these billionaires-
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:14 PM
Mar 2020

There were plenty of very rich people back when we were growing up, but nothing like this. And there were so few very rich people under 40 (who didn't inherit anyway). So there wasn't that constant rebuke-- "You loser. You're Zuckerberg's age, and you don't even own a house."

I think it would be difficult to live with the greater inequality and the much lower respect for hard work. It's too easy to be branded as a failure now, and that's got to take its toll on young people's optimism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
166. Their wealth has only recently gotten to the levels of 100 yrs ago.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 09:38 PM
Mar 2020

And back then, poor was also a totally different life. If someone is comparing you to someone like Zuckerburg, THEY are the losers! Dont let others define you. Like I said in my other post, i know some people that I know who think i'm not on their level simply because i dont have a big house and a fancy car. I dont care. A lot of those people are probably over extended.
Keeping up with the Jones's has reached a whole new level this century. I'm not playing that game & I never really have. Sure, i've been jealous at times. I'd be lying if i denied it. But I've learned that what others have usually has nothing to do with what I have. Not so much a glass 1/2 full guy, but maybe a glass 1/3?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
73. I'm 44 and not well off
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:54 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie is right about everything he says.

But we're not there yet with most of America as long as the EC exists, and I'll die if Trump gets re-elected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
74. I get your point. I'm a reluctant boomer. Born in 62
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020

Somehow the boomers sucked us up. You discount fights some of us went through. I walked out of college at 142 pounds. I’m six foot two. Had to work three jobs and go to school. Now the shitty part is today I couldn’t pull that off.

It is tempting to loop us all in together. But most here aren’t your enemy. When I was in school I had to battle all those Reagan College Repub assholes. Basically greed a ignorance won but we fought it.

My kids had college covered. That is great was based upon my experience. And yes in five years I can retire. Again we aren’t the enemy and having fought the battles. I see no way of Bernie getting anything done. Short of massive protests it ain’t happening

I’m ready to battle, but right now I don’t see many ready to fight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JenniferJuniper

(4,515 posts)
93. I consider 1962'ers to be older Gen X.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:17 PM
Mar 2020

My mother was a boomer. We were from very different worlds. She loved the Kennedys. I loved the Dead Kennedys.

I'm less concerned about Bernie not getting things done. I'm terrified that he cannot win the general leaving us in a much worse situation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
146. Agree we were after the Vietnam War. Hit puberty after the 60s
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020

But they lump us in with them. I think up to 1964. Anyway you hit it, punk rock, etc, was our way to be different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ashredux

(2,608 posts)
75. Bottom line...Bernie cannot deliver what he is selling
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020

He is selling a dream. Yes, a nice dream, but not real

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
119. I have read both mother and daughter state that does not matter he can't deliver. Makes NO sense.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:41 PM
Mar 2020

It is like it is a damn "protest" vote against Democrats. While they cry about how hard it is. I mean, really?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to LaelthsDaughter (Original post)

 

CapnSteve

(219 posts)
80. Good for you! Thank you for voting. One question:
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:04 PM
Mar 2020

If someone other than Bernie is the nominee, will you vote for them in the general?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
86. Of course!!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020

Blue no matter who! Beating Trump is the most important thing!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CapnSteve

(219 posts)
159. Yay! I have some friends who are Bernie Bro's...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

...and they will stay at home if Bernie is not the nominee.

Kudos for being rational and reasonable! And I can empathize with your situation - I just ended a period of under and unemployment. For me my age (on the cusp between boomer and gen x) was a huge barrier to getting hired.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
81. Bernie takes advantage of the inexperienced. He says that you can have everything and for free.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:05 PM
Mar 2020

He's not being honest, but it will get him votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
84. Totally appreciate that
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

I didn't follow the 'standard operating' path - and I'm a Generation X'er.
One - I got really sick in my mid 30's due to a genetic disease.
Two - I had to move 450 miles away from home due to an awful, hopeless job market in my early 30's.

Married at 39, and we don't have children.

We are focused (at 47 and 50) on making certain our retirement/elder care is taken care of.

That drives my vote - and my mindset.

There is no one to take care of the last one standing.

That's why I'm desperate to hold onto our retirement savings, and savings accounts.

We really will need it when we are older - and don't want to be a burden on younger generations.

I'm ALL for the Y's and Millenials turning the world upside down - but remember -

There is another 'silent' generation out here and our quality of life was less than what our parents expected. We've gone through three major downturns (Black Monday, the Telecom Burst, Housing Crisis). I was out of work for a year after the Telecom Crisis and my then company stole 80K from my 401K. I had to start all over again in a different place.

I get it - but I worked too hard and have NO ONE to care for me when I am older - I need my money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
122. I hear you
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:47 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t know every struggle, but my I can sympathize. My dad is a gen X’er and I watched our finances dwindle. It’s been hard for him and I wish the best for you and yours! I want everyone to be much better off then they are now! You have my support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

H2O Man

(73,594 posts)
85. It's great that you voted!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

I am a Boomer, and likely the oldest person in human history. I'm really happy that you voted. Always do what feels right to you.

Much respect.

Recommended.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
97. Thank you!!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you for the support and laugh!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democrank

(11,100 posts)
102. Thank you, H20 Man.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:26 PM
Mar 2020

You always rise above.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

H2O Man

(73,594 posts)
118. Oh, thanks!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:40 PM
Mar 2020

In the past 48 hours, I've been talking to a fairly large group of Democrats on facebook. Everyone is in the group because of their opposition to Trump. I've known a number of men and women there for 40 to 50 years. There were some minor tensions there over the months, that started reaching the boiling point, complete with insults and hurt feelings. Yikes! It's not just DU:GD-P!

At least for now, things are back to abnormal. People are able to say who they support and why, without attacking those who think differently. It's never really bothered me if my friends hold opinions different than my own.

The next 48 hours will be focused on the Cayuga Nation in western NYS. There has been some violence there between the Traditionals and an appointed BIS "leader" and those trying to access HUD money. They destroyed, among other things, the school and day care center recently. I'll likely post about it on DU:GD later this week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
87. I blame Youth Soccer for many of today's problems.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020

And Oprah.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
104. Everybody gets a trophy.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

All of us who deal with college students can tell stories that will curl your hair. It isn't the young people's fault it is ours for allowing them to feel this way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
88. Really.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

I grew up poor and spent my young adulthood on welfare and food stamps. Lived in housing projects. Worked my way through first part of collage as a single mother. Got married and raised a blended family. Husband gets MS and I am the primary provider.

You know who I don’t “get”? People who haven’t had adversity to the point I have. Haven’t shoved needles in their arms, haven’t done shady shit. Haven’t committed crimes. Haven’t been to jail. Haven’t committed violence or have had violence done to them. Haven’t had a vocabulary filled with grammatical errors because talking street is easier. Haven’t struggled with addictions

Haven’t watched their beloved lose function inch by inch.

But I faked it. I made it.

Most of my peers are dead.


Sometimes I still fake it.


I’m the end of boomers, beginning of genX. You don’t know me. Don’t pretend you do. You can judge me all you want. It means nothing to me, because you are right, I can’t relate to you.

I “relate” to those at the bottom, the ones other pretend don’t exist

Bernie is the absolute last person I want, because I learned the really hard lessons of pragmatism and what’s real very young.

He’s better than Trump though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
158. Yes.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:49 PM
Mar 2020

I don't get it either. What some think of as suffering is not poverty but having to forgo immediate gratification. We keep on because it's what we must do. Some never had the luxury of sitting in a loveshack in the Vermont woods contemplating our navels and Marxist philosophy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to LaelthsDaughter (Original post)

 

democrank

(11,100 posts)
94. For you, LaelthsDaughter
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:20 PM
Mar 2020

I’m proud of you for voting and for caring enough to express your opinion.... which is your right. Don’t stop. Your world vision is through YOUR eyes, and rightly so. The experiences you’ve had have shaped your thinking. Your belief system and personal priorities have shaped your vote. That’s as it should be.

I’m in my mid-seventies and have a granddaughter who is twenty. Whether I agree with her or not, I lovingly welcome her opinion. She’s learning. She’s working through things. She’s finding her own way, just like you are.

Believe in yourself, LD. Remember that you have a worthwhile voice, so use it. I’m glad you voted for Bernie today. You thought about it, then exercised your right. One woman, one vote. Good for you.

I’m sending you a hug and a promise that there are many, many people out here who stand with you. ~Believe~

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
103. Feeling the love
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you for the support and hug! I look forward to many more discussions with you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democrank

(11,100 posts)
113. This is what happens when you listen.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:35 PM
Mar 2020

Ideas are exchanged, common ground is found, a path forward is created, people unite for the common good.

~Believe~

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
95. You did what you felt was the right thing to do, and I applaud you and agree with your decision
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020

I have kids and I want them to enjoy free education, Healthcare For All, and I find that unless we think radically, unless we believe that we can accomplish it all, and we can, then the road will be the same as it is today, the status quo will remain intact, and unfortunately I don't see the country moving forward.

Yes, some things will be restored, such as our alliances with our friends from Europe and other parts in the World, we will have a president who can complete full sentences, even if the one elected commits some gaffes once in a while, but there will be no more lies, no more hate coming from the White House, those are some of the few things we will regain, and the corporations will be very happy if its not Sanders, because pharma, insurance industry, medical industry profits will continue, hopefully public education will be restored and charter schools will disappear, but I won't bet on that.

Congratulations for knowing what you want, for doing your due diligence to come up with your decision, you are an example of what Democracy should be, the free will of the people must be the one who elect our nominee and our next President, but the establishment should not be the one who decides for us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
116. Thank you for the support
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:38 PM
Mar 2020

I agree and thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Faux pas

(14,690 posts)
96. I'm
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020

a boomer and I get it. Plenty of us do. Scant advantages, no connections, stuggling every day. The secret is never give up and keep on keepin' on!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
120. Agreed!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:41 PM
Mar 2020

We must never give up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JeaneRaye

(402 posts)
98. I get it.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

I DO get why you voted for Sanders. I am a 66-year-old Boomer but I'm also a Sanders person. Actually, I live in a Caucus State and voted early, so I got to pick candidates in the order that I wanted them. Warren was first but Bernie was next. I get it, though. I grew up in a lower-middle-class family. My dad was able to raise 6 girls on his salary. And he didn't go to college, either. My mother got an occasional job when things got tight, just to make ends meet. My sisters and I didn't frivolous things and at Christmas, we got necessities, like new underwear or a new nightgown. We always had a roof over our heads and enough food to eat. I went to college while living at home and became a nurse. Also, college was a LOT cheaper back then and I didn't have to take out loans to get through school. I probably earned enough money in my first year after graduating to equal the amount I paid in books and tuition for my entire 4 years of college. After working as a nurse for about 10 or 12 years, I was in the right place at the right time and my employer sent me to nurse practitioner school, before a master's degree became required. I was able to stash enough money away for retirement, so that I wouldn't have to work for the rest of my life. Most people don't have the same opportunities that were afforded to me, so people can't do that anymore. Like you say, people are working 2 and 3 jobs and don't have healthcare. They can't afford college and if they do go, they are strapped with thousands of dollars of debt. I am retired now and made enough money that I have a nice little income.
I tell you all this, because I DO understand you. I never forgot where I came from and know that things have gone terribly wrong in this country when others can't achieve the same things in life that I have. The corporate establishment has forgotten most of us.
I hope Bernie wins by a mile so there is no dispute over who gets the nomination. If it is close and the superdelegates get to chose it will tear this party apart because we know they are going to chose Biden. Nothing against Biden, he's just from a different time. Every time, the party picks our nominee, we get a Republican president. That being said, I will vote for whoever gets the nomination... but I don't think a lot of other people feel that way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
123. Thank you!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:49 PM
Mar 2020

You express a lot of empathy that I’m so happy to see and I really appreciate it! Yes! Blue no matter who!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Traildogbob

(8,791 posts)
99. Easy life boomers
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:24 PM
Mar 2020

Go visit a VA hospital. See some easy life boomers. 19 for us was the draft without the right to vote. I do salute you for at least exercising that right. Most your age will not. I voted Bernie, then gladly voted Hillary. But now the Bros bitching I will not vote or will vote for the Jill Stien 2020, good luck with a Republican controlling your future. Jobs are the least of your worries. Carcinogens dumped in water, air, and food, without insurance; try to living through cancer, will not be an easy life for you. I will support Bernie 100 percent, b/c of health care and the environment. But if he is not the candidate, I will damn sure support a dem to end republican destruction. Us boomers and older gave you 40 hour work weeks, weekend, overtime, sick leave, SS, Medicare and Medicade, and shit loads of environmental legislation during the 60's, era of environmentalism. That, I hope Bernie will fight to keep for you. As well as, any democrat. Sit out the vote and pout, be ready for another draft to fight all their wars for cash gains. Again, vote Bernie, and vote to end GOP in Nov. may be your last chance to even vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
101. Wow!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:25 PM
Mar 2020

Like how you assume all us boomers are well off. That is absolutely not true!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
125. I did say most, right? Not all (n/t)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
110. Quite often the parents
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

of boomers came out of the Depression Era families who were impoverished beforehand. Our fathers fought in WWII and the nation provided jobs and training when they came back. Some were able to thrive, but depression and war economies and the absence of luxuries you see now meant thrifty living and hard work.

Others, like my father, didn't thrive. We were caught in whatever hellish nightmare he brought home with him. He couldn't keep a job and we knew hunger, abuse at his hands, and deprivation. Today there would be different slightly better answers for a family such as ours with a father who had PTSD and mental illness. It still wouldn't be easy.

I worked hard to put myself through college and earn a both BS and MA degrees. I applied for every grant and scholarship I could. One or two classes at a time and working fulltime with a high school learned skill of typing, acquiring computer skills when that technology came along, I also raised two children with very little help from their biological father. When I finished my last internship, I shifted to working two jobs to help my children get educations. They also worked while they went to school. My daughter lived at home to save costs. She is a nurse. My son worked hard on his studies and he won a full ride scholarship in engineering school and earned a double major. He recently completed a graduate, sponsored by his employer.

All of our lives have been geared toward moving forward with education as a tool. It has been hard but worth the labor. My daughter and her husband are doing the same for their children.

The 1950s and 1960s were difficult times. There was nothing easy or magical about them for everyone. I guess I learned early that nothing was free. It wasn't until I was in my fifties that my second husband and I finally made it the bottom m rung of the middle class. He will be 80 in three years and is still working at physical labor. Neither of us are retired yet. I'm out of the work force because of health problems. We struggle still. Not wealthy. But we don't have credit debt. At this point, the goal is to leave the world without debt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cab67

(3,002 posts)
114. Many of us who oppose Sanders are progressive.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:38 PM
Mar 2020

I'm an aging gen-X'er who also saw the boomers ahead of me have more of a cushion when they fell. My father was out of work from time to time and was able to rely on unemployment. So I completely get what you say.

There are two possible outcomes to a Sanders nomination - either he will win, or he will lose. And I would argue that either would be bad for progressive causes in the USA.

It is HIGHLY unlikely that he will win. His record of accomplishment is rather thin, and he carries baggage that even his supporters often seem unaware of, but which Republicans would use like a hammer. He'd lose big. And we wouldn't see a progressive candidate this close to the nomination for a generation.

But even if he wins, he'd very likely be a one-termer. Some people wonder how he'd pay for his agenda, but I wonder how he'd turn any of it into reality. He hasn't gotten any of it through Congress during his 20+ years in the institution. He'd get no help at all from Republicans, but his ability to denigrate Democrats - notice I don't say "fellow Democrats" - would weaken his hand with the House, assuming it stays in Democratic hands. He's not a uniter when it comes to Congress. He'd be seen as weak and would be easy prey to a Republican who sounds more rational than Trump does (e.g. Romney). And we'd end up right where we started, with progressive causes out in the political wilderness.

I get that we have to vote according to our values, but we also have to be realistic. At this point, I'm the one thing I always swore I'd never be - a one-issue voter. For me, it's all about electability. We have to get Trump out of the White House. Sanders gives inspiring speeches, and he espouses policies I like, but I really don't think he's electable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
181. You sound much like me ... and this is my exact same thinking re: Bern, so let me say ... THIS! (nt)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:03 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,881 posts)
115. It's tough for conservatives to let go of the past. I have faith in the younger generation.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:38 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Malmsy

(297 posts)
143. This is why I'm 300% on board with Bernie.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,881 posts)
145. I like him and Warren. The other candidates are just kicking the can down the road which will
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020

only lead to more Trumps.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
117. The Boomers in this household
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:39 PM
Mar 2020

are voting for Bernie just like last time. We know what you are looking at and see no one else who is thinking in the terms that will make it tolerable for you any time soon. I have 2 sons in their 30's. I want them to be able to stop struggling at some point. Bernie is the only one addressing the needs of all of us in a way that will set the stage to provide your generation some relief.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
128. Thank you
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:02 PM
Mar 2020

I’m glad you care about the younger generations and your empathy is appreciated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
133. I care about all of us.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

You all will have it really hard but as people in our 60's and 70's there is little help like our parents had that is even close to feasible. Still, I do really care about what is left for you. It makes me ill, and has since Reagan, watching the approval and ramping up of selfishness and greed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

relayerbob

(6,553 posts)
121. Starting off your reasoning with an insult
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:43 PM
Mar 2020

isn't going to get the job done

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
129. You misunderstand. I'm not reasoning with anyone, but explaining myself (n/t)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Poeraria

(219 posts)
126. "struggle as a 19 year old"?????
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020

ROFL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
161. For sure!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 08:03 PM
Mar 2020

Most 19 year olds struggle, including this boomer @ 19. On top of that I had rheumatoid arthritis and to this day it is a struggle. I’m 63 and have had it since I was nine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,837 posts)
127. Youth's problem historically is sparking a lot of energy. Then not actually voting.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:00 PM
Mar 2020

That has nothing to do with Boomers.

I find youth seems to mix up Boomers with our parents generation.

My generation was totally disenfranchised.
War was killing us, young people, and we were running and, at the time, ruining our lives to Canada. Luckily later we were given amnesty.

Those that served in the VietNam war still suffer long term effects of it.

Students were regularly tear gassed, arrested or worse.

Around 1984 we had a recession when our first mortgage interest was 14%. That’s when we were newlyweds.

In 2009 I lost my job in that recession. By that time I was old and couldn’t find a job for years because the youth could work cheaper than us old folks who had mortgages and car payment.
The period from 2009 - 2017 wiped out 3/4 of my personal 401K. I was forced to take early SS which is at least $500 a month less than if I had been able to take it at 66.

Now as retired folks we rent and are on a very fixed income.

So please refrain from your story being significantly different from anyone’s story.
We all suffer together.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Codifer

(548 posts)
170. Agree with you LakeArenal but to the original poster.....
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:25 PM
Mar 2020

Also never, never forget the 1968 election. Unless you have had your preferred candidate murdered on the night he won the California primary (and the Democratic nomination), you cannot know the depth of heartbreak.... and still vote to try to defeat a crooked nixon. That one hurt... a lot. A couple years later we were being shot by the US Army on college campuses. Not to mention that simply being caught with a joint could get you a year or more in prison.

One thing is certain... our music from that time was/is far, far better.

I am an old fart, a war baby and I rant from time to time.... sorry.

I voted for Bernie in 2016.... but THE goal in this election is to defeat trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,837 posts)
172. I also forgot to mention
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:31 PM
Mar 2020

When I was 19 there was the military draft.
Where everyone had to sign up for the draft. Just like today. But boys were drafted against their will. Or you might have drawn a high lottery number or you might have a college deferment. Otherwise you were getting drafted. If you wouldn’t serve, you go to jail.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

obnoxiousdrunk

(2,910 posts)
134. Good to know
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

that both Laelths and LaelthsDaughter voted for Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
137. When you start "to any boomers"
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:12 PM
Mar 2020

The message was lost. Read through the reasons but the "to any boomers" stuck with me. You're a divider. So no thanks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
139. I appreciate that you read what I had have to say (n/t)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:20 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
140. I'm Gen X and I still don't get you
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
141. I'm Gen X, and I am the OP's dad.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t get her entirely, and she doesn’t exactly get me.

For what that’s worth.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
147. What A Pathetic & Uninformed Post
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 06:59 PM
Mar 2020

Are you aware of how many seniors are homeless because they can't afford housing, can't afford to eat? THey are already working the jobs you envision you'll have to work. Such a self-serving, self-pitying post. You're responsible for your life, how about focusing on that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

budkin

(6,713 posts)
148. Damn good post
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:00 PM
Mar 2020

Civil and poignant. Awesome.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
150. It's not the boomers that are destroying the futures of the young millennials.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:02 PM
Mar 2020

The Boomers helped to build up a safety net that made life better for all Americans. Now that they are old and dying off, there will be nobody to guard the programs that were put in place to help the young and the millennials. They are going to have to fend for themselves and stop blaming the boomers for all their problems. They are going to have to hit the streets in protest and go to the polls and vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
154. I 100% get you , that is why I voted for JOE !!!!!!!!!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:28 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
155. No need to explain why you voted for Bernie
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:32 PM
Mar 2020

least of all to boomers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
156. How much have you been able to save towards college? What kind of tuition are you looking at?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:41 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,871 posts)
160. I doubt I'm as young as you, but I'm not a """Boomer""" either.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

I'm a millennial and I probably am faced with many of the same problems you have; however, it is foolish to put your faith in a politician (Sanders) that has been in office for the past three decades, watching it all happen, all the while he has accomplished nothing for us and done nothing to prevent it. He is not the savior you are looking for. And I hope his divisive message does not discourage you (and other young people) from seeing progress made in your life by refusing to vote for the eventual Democratic nominee. The biggest progressive setbacks in the past couple of decades was when people thought Gore as the same as Bush and wasted their vote on Nader and then when people thought Hillary was as bad as Trump and either didn't vote or wasted their vote on Stein. One of the biggest reasons for your current plight are boneheaded, shortsighted decisions like those.

You wanting to improve the lives of your fellow citizens is admirable. Talking down to """Boomers""" as if all of them have wonderful lives is somewhat troublesome, but that seems to be the message propagated by many in the Sanders crowd. Don't let them corrupt you like they have so many other young people, forcing them to turn against their brothers and sisters and only believing that "Sanders alone" can cure all that ails us. He can't and he hasn't. The only way we can turn this around is through progress together and the only way we achieve progress together is by voting Trump and his Republican enablers out of office this November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
164. Imagine a world youth voted and all Democrats could accomplish for you and your future.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

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If I were to vote in a presidential
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IVoteDFL

(417 posts)
165. Thank you for saying it!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 09:11 PM
Mar 2020

I'm a little older than you, but I can't agree more. Most people here just do not understand. I've been sleep behind a dumpster poor. I've killed myself working to get half as far as the generations before me... All while being told I'm lazy.

Yet we can't have a progressive because we're scared of some shit that happened 50 years ago, as if we are the same as we were back then.

I don't feel alienated here because of my candidate, if I was afraid of disagreement I would solely post on Reddit. or what it's like to ride a city bus through the poorest area in the state and see Sanders signs. Those people have never voted before. I never would have voted if it wouldn't be for one teacher I had in Junior high. People like us don't have hope so we don't vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
171. I wish you all the best in the world
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:26 PM
Mar 2020

but you didn’t actually explain why you voted for Sanders and why you think he will improve your lot in life.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
173. I agree with Sanders' ideas pretty much 100%
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:39 PM
Mar 2020

I’m just not sure he’s the person to deliver (I mean, obviously, Biden or Bloomberg certainly won’t).

We definitely need great progressive change. I mean, we USED to be for all of those things before the GOP became extremely right wing and the center moved right, followed by far too many Democrats.

This country is as unequal as it had ever been. That has tochange. No one should go broke from medical bills. No one should have to work three jobs.

I’m angry all the time about this stuff. So I get it. Bernie is not a bad guy and he’s right about much of it.

Partly, I think, our system is to blame. Gobs and gobs of money are spent by lots of bad actors to ensure nothing much changes. We have the Electoral College, which is bullshit. We have only room for two parties, one of which is basically evil, and the other is where the rest of us end up.

So things are kind of screwed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
178. Ya, my fellow boomer II's had real peachy times during and after RAYGUN.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:29 AM
Mar 2020

Unions that were ripped apart, housing costs that went sky high along with interest rates, pay cuts, layoffs, mills and factories shuttered, small towns devastated... it was just nothing but fun.

Ever try taking to a boomer? We got experience and it wouldn't hurt to ask and listen.

IMHO Sanders is selling you snake oil. Things don't come easy and BS only offers rhetoric. Look for solid ground to walk on.

Just my 2 cents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
180. I hear you. These things are real
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:50 AM
Mar 2020

Minimum wage is not a living wage.
Americans are falling into poverty at an alarming rate.
The middle class has disappeared in our lifetime.
There is only the upper middle class which has done far better than other generations (only a sliver of baby boomers)
The rest of our generation is facing old age without pensions, working until death
Dying from suicide, alcoholism and opioid addiction
Your generation had a lot in common with baby boomers. The house you will never own? This is the house which we cannot sell or we are forced to sell or forced to mortgage to supplement social security
Poverty in this country is generational now.
The one thing I can say for your generation is that you never voted for Ronald Reagan
The one thing I can say for everyone here on DU is that we lived through the Reagan years, the running down of unions, the stagnation of wages, the destruction of pensions, the outsourcing of American jobs, the decline of the cities, horrendous crime rates and we never.never.never.voted for those people who destroyed our country.

Keep voting and keep taxing the rich for social programs. You have nothing to apologize for here. Nothing to explain. We love you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
182. You, and the young, are pretty much all I care about now.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:31 AM
Mar 2020

It's for that reason that I couldn't vote for Sanders this time, the way I did in 2016 - although I did encourage my wife and my daughter to vote for him, because that's where their hearts were. And I thank you for following your heart as well.

We shall overcome. All of us. For the sake of your generation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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