Democratic Primaries
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To any Boomers on this site, yall dont get me. Many of you are well off in the world and looking to retire or are retired. You have good lives and can sustain yourself. You dont understand my struggle as 19 year old. I'm unlikely to afford college any time soon. Im not going to be able to afford children. Im likely to have to work 3 jobs in order to barely maintain an upper lower class life. (And thats if Im lucky) My life expectancy is shorter than yours is.
I understand youve had some tough times, maybe even working 2 jobs yourself. You got underpaid, there were less labor laws, ect... but that hasnt stopped many of you from leading successful lives. A much higher percentage than my own generation will have.
Even if you cant understand all of these plights... at least understand why I voted for Bernie in the TX primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I'm a boomer ... I certainly don't share life experience (well at least many decades separate us), nevertheless, I think I get you. I'm probably voting Bernie next Tuesday in Michigan. Have not completely solidified but the more people here ridicule him and his voters the more I am inclined towards him.
I'm a progressive and I'm tired of being pushed around by the mainstream. Maybe it is time for them to listen rather than talk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I personally have never ridiculed any Biden supporter here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Get over it" is indeed, the absolute opposite of petulant ridicule, and akin the the weighty gravity of an elder statesman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimlup
(7,968 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Just do an honest accounting of this forum.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BComplex
(8,060 posts)The most bullying I've ever experienced ANYWHERE in my 70 years has been by the Biden supporters on Democratic Underground. They jump in with really mean talking points on every thread where anyone says anything good about Bernie Sanders. They really really hate him!!! And they hate and bully anyone that says nice things about him!!!
I have yet to see anyone being that way toward Biden. Not anywhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)It feels nice to know that there are others who can at least empathize with what I and my generation are going through! <3
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dansolo
(5,376 posts)I take offense at the suggestion that only Bernie cares about you. My issue has always been that slogans and empty promises do absolutely nothing to help people like you. Do you know what does? Passing legislation. But Bernie has repeatedly attacked the very same people he would need to pass any legislation. Then what? How does that help you and your situation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)But they expect him to be an effective President.
It astounds me that some people don't want to look at the facts, and instead believe pie in the sky promises.
But some people will believe what they want to believe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)What sense does that make.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thewhollytoast
(318 posts)Amendment King.
Toast
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)As of 2016...
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)THAT overall record gets people excited?
Ill still vote for Biden if he gets the nomination, of course, but only because of the Republican alternative.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,840 posts)all his life, can so misread the nation and mislead his supporters into thinking that this country will elect a socialistespecially now when there is no economic downturn. It's just not going to happen. The naivete is stunning. Why do you think trump and the repugs keep pushing for Sanders? They know the country is not going to elect a socialist so they want him to be trump's opponent.
I do relate to your circumstances though (been there, done that. Every generation goes through it), but things will get better, opportunities will open up. Pls be prepared when they do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)fighting all this time to give those that need, all that they have been able to accomplish. White wash it all, while he did nothing for 3 decades. To sit there and throw out bogus free this and free that knowing well it will never happen. And raising the expectations of the kids to feel that it is a can do thing, throwing away the opportunity to actually accomplish it with a strong blue wave dem win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)And yes, we are BETTER than this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Meadowoak
(5,556 posts)Younger generation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hangaleft
(649 posts)I definitely hear you and have a sense of how youre feeling. Of course, its impossible for me to truly know your plight because Im not living it. But I know that many, if not most, of my generation let you down. And, by dismissing and dissing Bernie, are continuing to do so.
I can understand voters reluctance to vote for Sanders. I think that Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. But, Im not gonna run scared. Nor am I gonna think only of myself. If Warren withdraws, I will vote for Sanders in my primary. I dont think its a slam dunk that hell lose, I think he could win. I wouldnt vote for him if I felt he was certain to lose. But I think dramatic changes... real hope and real, fundamental change... are long overdue. For your generation, and mine as well.
Joe Biden might be the safer choice. But I believe he represents more of the same. I dont mean more of Trump. I mean more of the same ole thing, which will do nothing to alleviate you of your need to work three jobs just to have the basics in life while Mitt Romney installs a car elevator in one of his many mansions. Something is extremely askew when those circumstances are allowed to continue unchecked. And they will continue unchecked under a Biden administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)nearly 50 years ago. When I ended my service, unemployment rate was nearly 20% in the county I lived in, interest rates soon soared to 18%. I was married, had a 2 year daughter. Don't think for ONE blasted second that boomers didn't face their challenges.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)They are clearly not aspirational, as evidenced by the OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)on Sanders choosing their candidates. Sanders just does not like that once again he is the outsider. Always the outsider and one more reason he would be a poor choice. The playing field is a little more fair without so many Democrats splitting the vote and Sanders and his supporters are crying foul. Poor white man needing special treatment, kind of like the whole bottom line of his 5 decades spiel.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)What do we have today?
Besides, you need to consult your lexicon on the word aspire.
Per Merriam-Webster
to seek to attain or accomplish a particular goal
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)People that were about stopping getting things done. During that couple years progressives we elected got a lot of things done, but we pretend we do not remember or worse, we actually are not informed enough to know all we got done. We want progressive law? We vote the people in that will give it to us. If we do not do that, we do not get I do not care who you get in that top office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)which then cost us the Senate and the House...
So how is it that you all are going to get us the needed 61 Senators to pass M4A with President Sanders waiting to sign the bill?
And if we had such a majority, what would happen in the next election cycle when all of us have to pick up the tab for it. Or lets say you cancel the military... we don't need that, right? And Russia decides to take back the Baltic States, the Ukraine, Poland, Eastern Europe... what we will do then... our European allies will pick up the tab?
Think Putin doesn't want to do that? You haven't been paying attention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Hard pass!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)and people like the ACA... and if YOU would fight and elect progressive Dems to the House and Senate... then maybe we can extend and fix the ACA and offer a public option.
Buit if you think Sanders will get more socialists into the Senate right now or even keep the House... you are fooling yourselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)Vote for whoever works for you. As a progressive, I voted for Hillary. How did that work out for us? How did we do in the senate and congressional races in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)were elected. I don't think Bernie sponsored them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Sanders endorsed two U.S. Senate candidate and both won election to the Senate.
Sanders endorsed 15 U.S. House candidates and five won election to the House.
Sanders endorsed eight gubernatorial candidate and two won election, with one race pending.
Sanders endorsed four lieutenant gubernatorial candidates and two won election.
Sanders endorsed two attorney general candidates, one won the election.
Sanders supported 26 ballot measures. Of those, 17 were approved and seven were defeated with two remaining pending.
Sanders opposed seven ballot measures. Of those, three were defeated while the remaining four were approved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)in our loses of. all democratic seats -over 1000 seats lost around the country while were congratulating ourselves on having regained the executive branch in 2008.The Democratic PArty in 2016 was a shadow of what it was in 2008.....and then came Putin.......
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)Unless someone can point me to their time-machine or crystal ball, I am going to have to cast aside any election prophecies.
All that needs to happen to appeal to Sanders voters is fairness. It's a concept that as Democrats we should embrace. There should not be the appearance of unfairness; that's all. Fortunately, if he is as unelectable as everyone says, there are no consequences to his full participation, except for more people participating. Fairness and participation are good things.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perseus
(4,341 posts)if Sanders wins the nomination. Memes are really effective.
Can you please provide the analysis that tells you that if Sanders wins the nomination we would loose the house and not win the Senate? But no "he said/she said" please, solid data is important, the rest are just people's opinions who are supporting another candidate. A lot of people say that trump will run circles around Biden, I bet you disagree with that opinion, right?
[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/04/joe-biden-electable-trump-2020-election|
And about Medicate For All:
[link:https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/19/lancet_report_medicare_for_all|
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I graduated from college in 1980. There was 15% unemployment in my state. I had a temp job for 9 months, then did retail-- all I could get-- for awhile, then did substitute teaching for years. I got more targeted education, but I was already so far behind. I've never earned even $40K a year, which means my SS will be-- wait for it-- $1162 a month.
Life is difficult always for upwards of 70% of the population of any generation. We should keep that in mind when we start grousing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
When I got out of law school, my first job guaranteed me $400 a week after taxes. My rent and student loan payment was $1600. So I had no $ for everything else, and had to run up further debt and figure out how to survive month to month until I could make $.
Things werent rosey for our generation either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,376 posts)I get why you are upset.
I don;t get why you think that dude is gonna be able to help you.
He's full of promises for sure, but short on how any of that will actually happen.
FWIW, my daughter is 17, and I am well aware of the world she is facing. It's scary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)1000000000000000000x improvement of where we are now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)A lot of things need to change, but to blow up everything isn't the answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Whether he can help or not is a good question. Im very happy he is at least fighting for the things that can help me as I move forward in life. Thank you for the understanding.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Why don't you already know that not only have the Democrats been fighting for you, but they are the one getting the increase in minimum wage is so many areas of the country? Fighting for the pell grants to help kids go to college? Fighting the medical complex to get you insured?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Sanders is telling them, basically, the line, "I alone can fix it." Now where have we heard that before?
And like the MAGAts believe Orangeface, they believe Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Do their research, know what they were talking about because they were not going to get a pat on the head simply by parroting. I can remember when one was only like eight. We were very socially oriented in our house, always having conversations about what was happening in the world. Their whole lifetime. One of them came to me, parroting what I had said about something. I told the kid that she did not get to just use my words as argument, she had to do her research and know what she was talking about. Then come back and have the conversation.
That is probably why both of mine see thru Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)We were expected to be informed, using more than one credible source. We were taught to question everything, respectfully. Good for you raising good citizens.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)with absurd promises. And what I have to say is, I am old, need that insurance now, how dare you dismiss my life with this protest vote against the Democratic party. Talk about? Some of us need Biden or any Democrat to get in and again strengthen ACA for our lives, ensure the procedures are being paid for, make certain preexisting is covered. I got all the preemptive tests done and told what to watch for and when to get further preemptive tests. But now, it is considered preexisting and they are starting to not pay.
Some of us need more than just an, oh well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Where we differ is in how to make things better; many of us are unwilling to trust our future, and that of our children and grandchildren, to a career politician who never held a normal job, has attacked both allies and foes equally for decades, has no record of substantive achievement, and has no basis for forming the type of coalition within the government to actually get anything done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,840 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Your generation is the first in quite a while that will most likely do worse than your parents did. My parents grew up during the great depression and they passed on to me a life that was more comfortable than what they had to go through. Now it's the responsibility of we boomers to support forward looking policies that will at least give younger generations that same chance that we had.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)<3
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It's not a generational question. It is a where are you on the political spectrum question. I don't get singling out Boomers when most of my friends who are the biggest Sanders supporters actually are Boomers. I have friends who support all of the ones running except Gabbard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)I'm only 10 years older than you. I had to deal with the recession and had to find a job to help support my mom and I for a bit. I get that struggle. I didn't go to college because of the prices. I did however go into trade because of the huge demand for it. But you voted with you heart and I respect that. But let's be honestly. You're getting promised unicorns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SDANation
(419 posts)So I kinda, and I emphasize kinda get where you are coming from but I disagree. I struggled Ive been there. Come from a middle class working family.
I took minimum wage jobs to get by. When I got serious about school, luckily in CA we have waivers for class fees at community college if you live under a certain income level, which I qualified for. I took all of my undergrad classes at a community college level for free and paid for my books by picking up extra shifts etc. When I transferred to a bigger college to complete my BSN, I took student loans cause thats what I had to do to get my license to practice. It sucks and a sacrifice but thats what I had to do.
Now I have a great paying job with great benefits that is very rewarding in all areas. My problem is with everything Bernie is proposing he, will ending up inadvertently hurting me, because it will require higher taxes on me and others like me, who worked their asses off to get to where we are. Thats not okay with me. I believe in a progressive tax code that heavily taxes the ultra rich and rich in general but based on his proposals middle class familys like mine are going to feel the cost greater.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I faced massive hurdles and worked to overcome them with the help of my parents and some family. Some strangers gave me stuff that was beneficial to me, but that was far in-between. If you think someone is going to be a hero for you, you likely won't get very far toward where you want to be. Every generation has it's massive challenges, there is not a lot special about yours. You say climate change? Guess what, my generation dealt with really poison water and food, a killer disease in AIDS, and war.
I prefer voting for a person that has an actual track record of accomplishments, that is why I almost certainly will vote for Biden on March 17 in Florida. I have found from experiences that unproven promises only result in me getting set back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,516 posts)didn't get my first US citizen coworker until I was 31 despite being born and raised in the USA. So I can see why many lower income and service industry workers are feeling the Bern and don't have much to lose because they don't have much. Where you are at 19 does not have to be where you stay. It can get much better for you later in life. Don't be discouraged.
Our party's nomination will be decided long before I can vote in the DC primary. But I can already see the trend by income on what sort of people are backing Biden vs Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)I know you are hopeful with Sanders, I just dont believe he can deliver on anything to help you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)When I was your age, I was working for a small California town as a sanitation engineer. I was a garbage man. I was making $3.25 an hour. I got married at 20. I, and Mrs Potato were poor kids, from poor families. No help at all from family or life.
We decided we wanted some good stuff and also a family to raise as our own. Pretty simple aspirations. The economy was crap at the end of Carters term. So, I did what millions of other young people did to move up. I joined the Military. I was a smart little poor boy, so I scored high on their tests and got a good skills. Immediately, our standard of living went up, manyfold.
We got medical care, we had children, we traveled all over the world. We had money, nice living conditions, and children. Our children cost about $20 each to have, due to good medical benefits. I worked my ass off and advanced in rank rapidly and 20 years flew by. College and higher education was absolutely affordable in the service.
I retired from the Army at 43 years old. Im sure, nowadays, the military looks like a terrible job for many, but it was good to me. You get back what you put in. The military is the fairest job I ever had. Minorities and females have good, level playing fields to work and advance on.
Being well off means different things to different folks. Its all just a big comparison to whatever your lifes experiences are. Good luck, and I know you will make it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)than an easy road today for so many.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRickles
(2,077 posts)Great story, and kudos to you for finding your path to success. But don't forget that the military is a socialized system - it's a government run program that provides good value for its participants because its goals are so highly valued by our government. The VA, the GI Bill, good pensions, etc. - these benefits are all government-supported and are admirable, but something similar should be available to everyone, non-veterans too. Unfortunately, our government has put its resources elsewhere and over-prioritized the military. If we led the world in spending on education or child care, say, rather than weapons, then many more millions of Americans could enjoy the fruits of their labor as you have been able to do. It's a good model, one that should be made available to many more people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AGeddy
(509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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AGeddy
(509 posts)Biden has battled stuttering his whole life. That makes him sometimes have verbal gaffes. It has nothing to do with losing (not "loosing" ) his mental capabilities - he has had this propensity his entire life.
Verbal gaffes are meaningless nowadays, Trump has shown that. Biden will hire the right staff.
ps. Warren has at least as much momentum as Bloomberg does. Based on what you said you believe in, Warren should be your second choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TommyCelt
(838 posts)...have an issue that this man (Bernie) had a heart attack not a few months ago. Before I will feel comfortable with a Sanders presidency, I will need to have FULL confidence in his VP pick. Yes, all the candidates are elderly. But only one has had a major coronary event in the last year, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't like the choices (or chances) we have, quite frankly.
#bluenomatterwho nonetheless...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)He has had a heart attack, is well over 70 and won't release his medical records. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sanders is really going to look his age at the end of the primary season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)No question Biden has lost a step. If he is the nominee then everything can look swell until a key debate moment against Trump in which Biden suddenly loses trend of thought and comes across as very old. That is almost likely to happen as opposed to merely a possibility. No question Bloomberg would have greater chance to beat Trump than Biden would. All the outrages here against Bloomberg the past two weeks would not impact November at all.
The greatest clarity here was a couple of weeks ago when we had threads calling for a Bloomberg/Klobuchar ticket. Now people in those threads would be embarrassed they called for such a thing. Meanwhile what has changed? Nothing has changed. But it's simply the difference between people who understand the big picture and people who frantically ingest every variable and think every one of them mandates an overreaction.
I understand your generation's passion for Sanders. An older woman I know switched from Obama to Trump while her granddaughter is gung ho for Bernie Sanders. The grandmother was baffled and asked me to explain it. I detailed all the long term concerns facing that generation, the ones you described so well. The grandmother kept nodding her head while saying, "Oh, I see. I see." It really doesn't occur to them unless spelled out.
We didn't have an ideal candidate. I wish your liberal vehicle could have been a younger charismatic male who is not a self-described socialist and actually a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)You have a right to vote for whoever you choose.
I do not support Bernie, not because I don't like his policies, but because I do not believe that Bernie is capable of delivering on any of it. In fact, I believe that with Bernie as the nominee, not only would we lose the Presidential race but we would lose congress as well. And if that happens, we are going to accelerate going in the exact opposite direction of where Bernie wants to take us.
Even the last couple of weeks, as the front-runner he had a significant opportunity to show he could build coalitions to get things done. Instead, he chose to repeatedly attack the democratic party-the party who's stand-bearer he would need to be as the nominee.
Politics is basically the art of compromise. No one is able to get everything, or even close to everything, that they want. You need to be able to build relationships and coalitions to get things done. Even AOC, who has been in politics for less than 3 years, shows signs of understanding that. Yet, Bernie with a 30-year congressional career does not understand how DC works. He thinks of himself as a revolutionary figure- but there cannot be a 1 man revolution at the ballot box. You need support from others to get it done.
This is basically why I can never support Bernie. If he turns out to be the nominee, I will vote for him but I cannot get enthusiastic about his candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)I get you. I have three daughters in their 20's. They are out of college and saddled with college loans and I have s peice of their loans myself. I fear for the quality of life they will have. The jobs pay little well rents and the cist of living are high. Ive already had one tell me she doesn't plan on having children, "it isn't a financial possibility"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Its very comforting to hear the support! I wish the best for you and your daughters! <3
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)down the road will look like for you. I do know what a decade or two down the road will look like for me.
You can afford a two year college to get prerequisites done and live at home and work. You can save money and finish up college. Many of us did that in our generations. We couldn't afford to go away to college and incur debt any more than today. In my time it was not even a consideration.
You have another 4 decades of health for the HC situation to get resolved. We who need it now are desperately finding ways to throw in fixes now.
I had a 25 yr old looking to buy a house, working the same minimum wage job as me. After a couple of day going thru the process of learning the ends and outs, what the market looks like he sits back and says, well it is harder for our generation to buy a house than yours. At minimum wage, NO ONE in our generation bought a house either. I told him to look up minimum wage of the 70's.
Single women never had it easy, nor POC. We all had hurtles thrown at us. Women had separate listings for jobs from men. Reflective of wage. Financial success was almost impossible.
My two kids are in their lower 20's. I well understand the circumstances of the situation with your generation as I am still paying it.
And I do understand why you voted for Sanders. Mine are going for a solid Democrat that will make the house and senate winnable so we can get a Democrat in and progressively move forward to make life better for all of us. Try to understand where we are coming from. Because I do not think there is a lot of that going on either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Minimum wage is never ever enough to live on. It's just terrible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Because they do not have a foot in the reality of it and I have to wonder, why not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I was so pleased. Turned out the company had just gotten word that the minimum wage would be raised 25 cents the first of the year. This was Dec 15. The boss was trying to get credit for it!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)It scares me to think that Trump will win another four years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
snowybirdie
(5,233 posts)We were where you were years ago. It's hard. But I for one can't see how Sanders can govern without cooperating with others. We need to heal first. But don't give up on the process. It IS your future. Let's hope together all will be better. Good luck
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,991 posts)I HATE this Boomers dont get it stuff. Were not fools. Weve been poor kids and many are poor elders who are working to help our families to afford things this ridiculous trend toward ogliarchy and authoritarianism is doing to us all. We are literally vulnerable when it comes to life and death as we need more medical care. We can go bankrupt from health care costs.
But Im telling you, Bernies policies are like leaping a too wide chasm rather than building a bridge. He cannot just will things into place. That establishment he rails againstall those boomers hes a part of whether he likes it or notholds power in the Senate and House and are the wells of experience to draw from as he would strive to fill positions. He has to work with them. Whos the down ticket hes fighting for? Whos the global community hes got trusting relationships with?
It does not happen by magic. I sympathize. I want a better world for all yall young people. But you do not have the experience, networks, credibility, resources, etc. to do these things without the help and nurturance of us clueless elder boomers. We can either work together or you can cast us aside and lose to the monsters who dont give a damn about you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,991 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)but I understand you."
I wonder what she would think about the tax rates we had back then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,991 posts)but so much got done! Boomers build the highway system, the waterways, the space program, the communications systems, computers...they didnt come from nowhere, and we paid for them. The fact theyve been neglected and pillaged isnt boomers fault. Its privateers and Republicans fault.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,991 posts)I dont care to be misrepresented but I sympathize with the anxiety. That might be the real harmful legacy we gave them. Anxiety about the future and a sense we dont care either.
I hope we can do better all around, and teach them to as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)what their young brains are being fed is a conditioning. It does not serve them well. Think outside that box that they are rigidly keeping themselves wrapped in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)starting out in life. Very few people make enough at 19 -- one year out of high school -- to fully support themselves without roommates or multiple jobs. That's mostly because they are still very young and focusing on learning a trade, so they make sacrifices for those endeavors. If you have parental help still at your age, you are very lucky. Try living with divorced parents who hated one another and wouldn't raise a finger for their children out of spite.
Sorry, but these stories about "Bernie" sound a bit forced. Good luck to you, though!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)where I worked for $1.25/hour. I couldn't see how I would move on from that. I ended up joining the USAF, where I started at $96/month with free room and board. I spend four years in the USAF, and when I left, I was getting $256/month.
It took several years before I could complete college on the GI bill, sharing a $96/month run-down house with two other guys. Eventually, though, i made my way, but it took a long, long time, and a lot of hard work.
At 19, though, I had no idea how I'd survive. So, I do understand where you're coming from. There is hope.
You voted for the candidate you prefer. Good for you. That's a privilege living in this country gives you. I won't criticize your vote. You think Bernie offers you the best alternative at this time. OK.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)It could give you a good start on a better future, and a better job quickly.
A few ideas:
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740387601/university-of-texas-austin-promises-free-tuition-for-low-income-students-in-2020
https://www.gpb.org/blogs/georgia-at-work/2017/05/22/want-free-college-tuition-georgia-heres-how-you-can-get-it
Dont want to minimize the challenges, but youll be better off by taking a few college courses. In a few years, you wont be sitting there saying you wish you had started earlier.
Anyway, good luck and thanks for voting and posting here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,567 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)around.... who either didn't vote or voted Green, etc.
THIS TIME AROUND, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY. I hope and pray that we will all coalesce around one person,
and I truly believe that one person is Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)If he gets the nomination, we'll damn sure vote for him in the general. But we Democrats who will vote for him in the general will not be enough. Once the repukes say the word "socialist" in every ad they run, a whole lot of people won't vote for him. Trump wins. And we're all screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Desert grandma
(804 posts)That is probably true, but it is because we had the motivation and the determination to improve our circumstances. I was a very poor Hispanic student that could not afford college either. We had NO scholarships then, we only had student loans. My dad had to cosign each year so I could attend the 4 year state school in our city. After completing two years on the Dean's List, I grew very concerned about the size of the loan. So I decided to leave college to work for a semester. Well, I got a job with TWA and that led to other jobs in the travel industry, and I never did go back to college. I did not get my BS until I was 45 and was able to complete an accredited college online.
So I understand your struggle because as a 19 year old, that was my struggle. Young boys who could not afford college were sent to Vietnam and many died there. Most of those young guys had no say so either due to the draft and the fact that they couldn't vote until they were 21 at that time. Many of my friends had brothers in this situation. Many of us Boomers lived through very difficult and tumultuous times. I mention this to demonstrate that there are many issues like income inequality and access to health care that have always been a part of American life as far back as I can remember. That is why I became a Democrat and have voted in every election since I was eligible.
I hope you will be able to understand that those of us who are voting for Biden are doing so based on our experiences. While Bernie has wonderful ideas, I do not think he would ever be able to get them passed, especially if we lose House and Senate seats. Many of us think that's what will happen if Bernie is the nominee. Trump won in the red belt states that we need to win the electoral college. We need to win back those states to win in 2020. We do not want to take a risk on nominating a candidate that we think will be soundly defeated in a GE. The stakes are too high. Having said that, I wish you the best. Do not give up.
With a Democrat in the White House you will probably get health care through a Medicaid/Medicare Public Option right away. Gov. Abbott declined to expand Medicaid in your state. In my youth, we had to hope we never became sick, because we had no health or dental insurance. Both Bernie and Biden are advocating affordable college. Biden has proposed making all community colleges free while Bernie is proposing to make all colleges free. So you see, in many ways you will have more opportunity with a Democrat in the White House than many of us "Boomers" did. That's why most of us say, Vote Blue No Matter Who.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I know you have a fight in front of you. For as long as I'm alive, count me on your side. I'm not well off but it wouldn't matter if I was. Some times good work and concentrated effort "pays off, some times it doesn't. I worked in mental health, community organizing, and environmental activism. That's not where money has ever been at in America, but I have no regrets. I love the life I've had so far. It's more your future than it is mine, I won't second guess you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Thank you for the work youve done! It makes me happy to see you helped with mental health as that is a big concern I would like adressed more!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SKKY
(11,818 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Some boomers are well off. Ask single women of that age whether they're well off. Ask the man disabled after 40 years of manual labor who can't find a job if he's well off.
Just stop with the delusion that all boomers or even most boomers are so well off. Many of us are figuring we'll be working well into our 70s. Maybe your parents are doing great, but most of my friends certainly are not.
Even the better off boomers weren't well off at 19. We worked our way through college. We had roommates. We just have lived longer and had more earning years by now.
Your generation has 50 years to earn what some boomers have now. You might do great.
Stoking generational warfare has always been a weapon of the right. Let's not fall for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)As a VP of Hotel Management firm - Vice President -
She never made half of what I do - with far more responsibility. She shattered a ceiling - but now - she's thankful my dad was retired prior to passing away.
Because of decades of low pay for professional women - her SS income would have been far less than my dads.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)People your age are making it every day here. In many different ways. If you dont see opportunity where you live, move to somewhere that does have opportunity. Learn a trade; trade jobs are hurting for workers & the jobs pay well. Dont waste your money on a college degree that isnt a sure-fire job getter. Save your money, get educated & dont have any kids yet. That puts you ahead of a LOT of people your age. Same as it was for me 40 yrs ago.
There are many ways to succeed. To some of my wealthier friends, I'm probably not doing that great because of where i live & what i drive. But i can pay my bills & enjoy life for the most part.
Dont give up on it. Bernie Sanders isnt going to provide it either. No politician will
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dawg day
(7,947 posts)There were plenty of very rich people back when we were growing up, but nothing like this. And there were so few very rich people under 40 (who didn't inherit anyway). So there wasn't that constant rebuke-- "You loser. You're Zuckerberg's age, and you don't even own a house."
I think it would be difficult to live with the greater inequality and the much lower respect for hard work. It's too easy to be branded as a failure now, and that's got to take its toll on young people's optimism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)And back then, poor was also a totally different life. If someone is comparing you to someone like Zuckerburg, THEY are the losers! Dont let others define you. Like I said in my other post, i know some people that I know who think i'm not on their level simply because i dont have a big house and a fancy car. I dont care. A lot of those people are probably over extended.
Keeping up with the Jones's has reached a whole new level this century. I'm not playing that game & I never really have. Sure, i've been jealous at times. I'd be lying if i denied it. But I've learned that what others have usually has nothing to do with what I have. Not so much a glass 1/2 full guy, but maybe a glass 1/3?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Bernie is right about everything he says.
But we're not there yet with most of America as long as the EC exists, and I'll die if Trump gets re-elected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Somehow the boomers sucked us up. You discount fights some of us went through. I walked out of college at 142 pounds. Im six foot two. Had to work three jobs and go to school. Now the shitty part is today I couldnt pull that off.
It is tempting to loop us all in together. But most here arent your enemy. When I was in school I had to battle all those Reagan College Repub assholes. Basically greed a ignorance won but we fought it.
My kids had college covered. That is great was based upon my experience. And yes in five years I can retire. Again we arent the enemy and having fought the battles. I see no way of Bernie getting anything done. Short of massive protests it aint happening
Im ready to battle, but right now I dont see many ready to fight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)My mother was a boomer. We were from very different worlds. She loved the Kennedys. I loved the Dead Kennedys.
I'm less concerned about Bernie not getting things done. I'm terrified that he cannot win the general leaving us in a much worse situation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)But they lump us in with them. I think up to 1964. Anyway you hit it, punk rock, etc, was our way to be different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ashredux
(2,608 posts)He is selling a dream. Yes, a nice dream, but not real
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)It is like it is a damn "protest" vote against Democrats. While they cry about how hard it is. I mean, really?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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CapnSteve
(219 posts)If someone other than Bernie is the nominee, will you vote for them in the general?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Blue no matter who! Beating Trump is the most important thing!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CapnSteve
(219 posts)...and they will stay at home if Bernie is not the nominee.
Kudos for being rational and reasonable! And I can empathize with your situation - I just ended a period of under and unemployment. For me my age (on the cusp between boomer and gen x) was a huge barrier to getting hired.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)He's not being honest, but it will get him votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)I didn't follow the 'standard operating' path - and I'm a Generation X'er.
One - I got really sick in my mid 30's due to a genetic disease.
Two - I had to move 450 miles away from home due to an awful, hopeless job market in my early 30's.
Married at 39, and we don't have children.
We are focused (at 47 and 50) on making certain our retirement/elder care is taken care of.
That drives my vote - and my mindset.
There is no one to take care of the last one standing.
That's why I'm desperate to hold onto our retirement savings, and savings accounts.
We really will need it when we are older - and don't want to be a burden on younger generations.
I'm ALL for the Y's and Millenials turning the world upside down - but remember -
There is another 'silent' generation out here and our quality of life was less than what our parents expected. We've gone through three major downturns (Black Monday, the Telecom Burst, Housing Crisis). I was out of work for a year after the Telecom Crisis and my then company stole 80K from my 401K. I had to start all over again in a different place.
I get it - but I worked too hard and have NO ONE to care for me when I am older - I need my money.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)I dont know every struggle, but my I can sympathize. My dad is a gen Xer and I watched our finances dwindle. Its been hard for him and I wish the best for you and yours! I want everyone to be much better off then they are now! You have my support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
H2O Man
(73,594 posts)I am a Boomer, and likely the oldest person in human history. I'm really happy that you voted. Always do what feels right to you.
Much respect.
Recommended.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Thank you for the support and laugh!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrank
(11,100 posts)You always rise above.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
H2O Man
(73,594 posts)In the past 48 hours, I've been talking to a fairly large group of Democrats on facebook. Everyone is in the group because of their opposition to Trump. I've known a number of men and women there for 40 to 50 years. There were some minor tensions there over the months, that started reaching the boiling point, complete with insults and hurt feelings. Yikes! It's not just DU:GD-P!
At least for now, things are back to abnormal. People are able to say who they support and why, without attacking those who think differently. It's never really bothered me if my friends hold opinions different than my own.
The next 48 hours will be focused on the Cayuga Nation in western NYS. There has been some violence there between the Traditionals and an appointed BIS "leader" and those trying to access HUD money. They destroyed, among other things, the school and day care center recently. I'll likely post about it on DU:GD later this week.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And Oprah.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)All of us who deal with college students can tell stories that will curl your hair. It isn't the young people's fault it is ours for allowing them to feel this way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)I grew up poor and spent my young adulthood on welfare and food stamps. Lived in housing projects. Worked my way through first part of collage as a single mother. Got married and raised a blended family. Husband gets MS and I am the primary provider.
You know who I dont get? People who havent had adversity to the point I have. Havent shoved needles in their arms, havent done shady shit. Havent committed crimes. Havent been to jail. Havent committed violence or have had violence done to them. Havent had a vocabulary filled with grammatical errors because talking street is easier. Havent struggled with addictions
Havent watched their beloved lose function inch by inch.
But I faked it. I made it.
Most of my peers are dead.
Sometimes I still fake it.
Im the end of boomers, beginning of genX. You dont know me. Dont pretend you do. You can judge me all you want. It means nothing to me, because you are right, I cant relate to you.
I relate to those at the bottom, the ones other pretend dont exist
Bernie is the absolute last person I want, because I learned the really hard lessons of pragmatism and whats real very young.
Hes better than Trump though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,871 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)I don't get it either. What some think of as suffering is not poverty but having to forgo immediate gratification. We keep on because it's what we must do. Some never had the luxury of sitting in a loveshack in the Vermont woods contemplating our navels and Marxist philosophy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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democrank
(11,100 posts)Im proud of you for voting and for caring enough to express your opinion.... which is your right. Dont stop. Your world vision is through YOUR eyes, and rightly so. The experiences youve had have shaped your thinking. Your belief system and personal priorities have shaped your vote. Thats as it should be.
Im in my mid-seventies and have a granddaughter who is twenty. Whether I agree with her or not, I lovingly welcome her opinion. Shes learning. Shes working through things. Shes finding her own way, just like you are.
Believe in yourself, LD. Remember that you have a worthwhile voice, so use it. Im glad you voted for Bernie today. You thought about it, then exercised your right. One woman, one vote. Good for you.
Im sending you a hug and a promise that there are many, many people out here who stand with you. ~Believe~
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Thank you for the support and hug! I look forward to many more discussions with you!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrank
(11,100 posts)Ideas are exchanged, common ground is found, a path forward is created, people unite for the common good.
~Believe~
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I have kids and I want them to enjoy free education, Healthcare For All, and I find that unless we think radically, unless we believe that we can accomplish it all, and we can, then the road will be the same as it is today, the status quo will remain intact, and unfortunately I don't see the country moving forward.
Yes, some things will be restored, such as our alliances with our friends from Europe and other parts in the World, we will have a president who can complete full sentences, even if the one elected commits some gaffes once in a while, but there will be no more lies, no more hate coming from the White House, those are some of the few things we will regain, and the corporations will be very happy if its not Sanders, because pharma, insurance industry, medical industry profits will continue, hopefully public education will be restored and charter schools will disappear, but I won't bet on that.
Congratulations for knowing what you want, for doing your due diligence to come up with your decision, you are an example of what Democracy should be, the free will of the people must be the one who elect our nominee and our next President, but the establishment should not be the one who decides for us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)I agree and thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)a boomer and I get it. Plenty of us do. Scant advantages, no connections, stuggling every day. The secret is never give up and keep on keepin' on!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)We must never give up.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JeaneRaye
(402 posts)I DO get why you voted for Sanders. I am a 66-year-old Boomer but I'm also a Sanders person. Actually, I live in a Caucus State and voted early, so I got to pick candidates in the order that I wanted them. Warren was first but Bernie was next. I get it, though. I grew up in a lower-middle-class family. My dad was able to raise 6 girls on his salary. And he didn't go to college, either. My mother got an occasional job when things got tight, just to make ends meet. My sisters and I didn't frivolous things and at Christmas, we got necessities, like new underwear or a new nightgown. We always had a roof over our heads and enough food to eat. I went to college while living at home and became a nurse. Also, college was a LOT cheaper back then and I didn't have to take out loans to get through school. I probably earned enough money in my first year after graduating to equal the amount I paid in books and tuition for my entire 4 years of college. After working as a nurse for about 10 or 12 years, I was in the right place at the right time and my employer sent me to nurse practitioner school, before a master's degree became required. I was able to stash enough money away for retirement, so that I wouldn't have to work for the rest of my life. Most people don't have the same opportunities that were afforded to me, so people can't do that anymore. Like you say, people are working 2 and 3 jobs and don't have healthcare. They can't afford college and if they do go, they are strapped with thousands of dollars of debt. I am retired now and made enough money that I have a nice little income.
I tell you all this, because I DO understand you. I never forgot where I came from and know that things have gone terribly wrong in this country when others can't achieve the same things in life that I have. The corporate establishment has forgotten most of us.
I hope Bernie wins by a mile so there is no dispute over who gets the nomination. If it is close and the superdelegates get to chose it will tear this party apart because we know they are going to chose Biden. Nothing against Biden, he's just from a different time. Every time, the party picks our nominee, we get a Republican president. That being said, I will vote for whoever gets the nomination... but I don't think a lot of other people feel that way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)You express a lot of empathy that Im so happy to see and I really appreciate it! Yes! Blue no matter who!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Traildogbob
(8,791 posts)Go visit a VA hospital. See some easy life boomers. 19 for us was the draft without the right to vote. I do salute you for at least exercising that right. Most your age will not. I voted Bernie, then gladly voted Hillary. But now the Bros bitching I will not vote or will vote for the Jill Stien 2020, good luck with a Republican controlling your future. Jobs are the least of your worries. Carcinogens dumped in water, air, and food, without insurance; try to living through cancer, will not be an easy life for you. I will support Bernie 100 percent, b/c of health care and the environment. But if he is not the candidate, I will damn sure support a dem to end republican destruction. Us boomers and older gave you 40 hour work weeks, weekend, overtime, sick leave, SS, Medicare and Medicade, and shit loads of environmental legislation during the 60's, era of environmentalism. That, I hope Bernie will fight to keep for you. As well as, any democrat. Sit out the vote and pout, be ready for another draft to fight all their wars for cash gains. Again, vote Bernie, and vote to end GOP in Nov. may be your last chance to even vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Rebl2
(13,544 posts)Like how you assume all us boomers are well off. That is absolutely not true!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)of boomers came out of the Depression Era families who were impoverished beforehand. Our fathers fought in WWII and the nation provided jobs and training when they came back. Some were able to thrive, but depression and war economies and the absence of luxuries you see now meant thrifty living and hard work.
Others, like my father, didn't thrive. We were caught in whatever hellish nightmare he brought home with him. He couldn't keep a job and we knew hunger, abuse at his hands, and deprivation. Today there would be different slightly better answers for a family such as ours with a father who had PTSD and mental illness. It still wouldn't be easy.
I worked hard to put myself through college and earn a both BS and MA degrees. I applied for every grant and scholarship I could. One or two classes at a time and working fulltime with a high school learned skill of typing, acquiring computer skills when that technology came along, I also raised two children with very little help from their biological father. When I finished my last internship, I shifted to working two jobs to help my children get educations. They also worked while they went to school. My daughter lived at home to save costs. She is a nurse. My son worked hard on his studies and he won a full ride scholarship in engineering school and earned a double major. He recently completed a graduate, sponsored by his employer.
All of our lives have been geared toward moving forward with education as a tool. It has been hard but worth the labor. My daughter and her husband are doing the same for their children.
The 1950s and 1960s were difficult times. There was nothing easy or magical about them for everyone. I guess I learned early that nothing was free. It wasn't until I was in my fifties that my second husband and I finally made it the bottom m rung of the middle class. He will be 80 in three years and is still working at physical labor. Neither of us are retired yet. I'm out of the work force because of health problems. We struggle still. Not wealthy. But we don't have credit debt. At this point, the goal is to leave the world without debt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cab67
(3,002 posts)I'm an aging gen-X'er who also saw the boomers ahead of me have more of a cushion when they fell. My father was out of work from time to time and was able to rely on unemployment. So I completely get what you say.
There are two possible outcomes to a Sanders nomination - either he will win, or he will lose. And I would argue that either would be bad for progressive causes in the USA.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that he will win. His record of accomplishment is rather thin, and he carries baggage that even his supporters often seem unaware of, but which Republicans would use like a hammer. He'd lose big. And we wouldn't see a progressive candidate this close to the nomination for a generation.
But even if he wins, he'd very likely be a one-termer. Some people wonder how he'd pay for his agenda, but I wonder how he'd turn any of it into reality. He hasn't gotten any of it through Congress during his 20+ years in the institution. He'd get no help at all from Republicans, but his ability to denigrate Democrats - notice I don't say "fellow Democrats" - would weaken his hand with the House, assuming it stays in Democratic hands. He's not a uniter when it comes to Congress. He'd be seen as weak and would be easy prey to a Republican who sounds more rational than Trump does (e.g. Romney). And we'd end up right where we started, with progressive causes out in the political wilderness.
I get that we have to vote according to our values, but we also have to be realistic. At this point, I'm the one thing I always swore I'd never be - a one-issue voter. For me, it's all about electability. We have to get Trump out of the White House. Sanders gives inspiring speeches, and he espouses policies I like, but I really don't think he's electable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,881 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Malmsy
(297 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,881 posts)only lead to more Trumps.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MuseRider
(34,115 posts)are voting for Bernie just like last time. We know what you are looking at and see no one else who is thinking in the terms that will make it tolerable for you any time soon. I have 2 sons in their 30's. I want them to be able to stop struggling at some point. Bernie is the only one addressing the needs of all of us in a way that will set the stage to provide your generation some relief.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)Im glad you care about the younger generations and your empathy is appreciated.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MuseRider
(34,115 posts)You all will have it really hard but as people in our 60's and 70's there is little help like our parents had that is even close to feasible. Still, I do really care about what is left for you. It makes me ill, and has since Reagan, watching the approval and ramping up of selfishness and greed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
relayerbob
(6,553 posts)isn't going to get the job done
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Poeraria
(219 posts)ROFL.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rebl2
(13,544 posts)Most 19 year olds struggle, including this boomer @ 19. On top of that I had rheumatoid arthritis and to this day it is a struggle. Im 63 and have had it since I was nine.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)That has nothing to do with Boomers.
I find youth seems to mix up Boomers with our parents generation.
My generation was totally disenfranchised.
War was killing us, young people, and we were running and, at the time, ruining our lives to Canada. Luckily later we were given amnesty.
Those that served in the VietNam war still suffer long term effects of it.
Students were regularly tear gassed, arrested or worse.
Around 1984 we had a recession when our first mortgage interest was 14%. Thats when we were newlyweds.
In 2009 I lost my job in that recession. By that time I was old and couldnt find a job for years because the youth could work cheaper than us old folks who had mortgages and car payment.
The period from 2009 - 2017 wiped out 3/4 of my personal 401K. I was forced to take early SS which is at least $500 a month less than if I had been able to take it at 66.
Now as retired folks we rent and are on a very fixed income.
So please refrain from your story being significantly different from anyones story.
We all suffer together.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codifer
(548 posts)Also never, never forget the 1968 election. Unless you have had your preferred candidate murdered on the night he won the California primary (and the Democratic nomination), you cannot know the depth of heartbreak.... and still vote to try to defeat a crooked nixon. That one hurt... a lot. A couple years later we were being shot by the US Army on college campuses. Not to mention that simply being caught with a joint could get you a year or more in prison.
One thing is certain... our music from that time was/is far, far better.
I am an old fart, a war baby and I rant from time to time.... sorry.
I voted for Bernie in 2016.... but THE goal in this election is to defeat trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)When I was 19 there was the military draft.
Where everyone had to sign up for the draft. Just like today. But boys were drafted against their will. Or you might have drawn a high lottery number or you might have a college deferment. Otherwise you were getting drafted. If you wouldnt serve, you go to jail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)that both Laelths and LaelthsDaughter voted for Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The message was lost. Read through the reasons but the "to any boomers" stuck with me. You're a divider. So no thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaelthsDaughter
(150 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I dont get her entirely, and she doesnt exactly get me.
For what thats worth.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Are you aware of how many seniors are homeless because they can't afford housing, can't afford to eat? THey are already working the jobs you envision you'll have to work. Such a self-serving, self-pitying post. You're responsible for your life, how about focusing on that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
budkin
(6,713 posts)Civil and poignant. Awesome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kentuck
(111,110 posts)The Boomers helped to build up a safety net that made life better for all Americans. Now that they are old and dying off, there will be nobody to guard the programs that were put in place to help the young and the millennials. They are going to have to fend for themselves and stop blaming the boomers for all their problems. They are going to have to hit the streets in protest and go to the polls and vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
d_b
(7,463 posts)least of all to boomers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jmg257
(11,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)I'm a millennial and I probably am faced with many of the same problems you have; however, it is foolish to put your faith in a politician (Sanders) that has been in office for the past three decades, watching it all happen, all the while he has accomplished nothing for us and done nothing to prevent it. He is not the savior you are looking for. And I hope his divisive message does not discourage you (and other young people) from seeing progress made in your life by refusing to vote for the eventual Democratic nominee. The biggest progressive setbacks in the past couple of decades was when people thought Gore as the same as Bush and wasted their vote on Nader and then when people thought Hillary was as bad as Trump and either didn't vote or wasted their vote on Stein. One of the biggest reasons for your current plight are boneheaded, shortsighted decisions like those.
You wanting to improve the lives of your fellow citizens is admirable. Talking down to """Boomers""" as if all of them have wonderful lives is somewhat troublesome, but that seems to be the message propagated by many in the Sanders crowd. Don't let them corrupt you like they have so many other young people, forcing them to turn against their brothers and sisters and only believing that "Sanders alone" can cure all that ails us. He can't and he hasn't. The only way we can turn this around is through progress together and the only way we achieve progress together is by voting Trump and his Republican enablers out of office this November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)I'm a little older than you, but I can't agree more. Most people here just do not understand. I've been sleep behind a dumpster poor. I've killed myself working to get half as far as the generations before me... All while being told I'm lazy.
Yet we can't have a progressive because we're scared of some shit that happened 50 years ago, as if we are the same as we were back then.
I don't feel alienated here because of my candidate, if I was afraid of disagreement I would solely post on Reddit. or what it's like to ride a city bus through the poorest area in the state and see Sanders signs. Those people have never voted before. I never would have voted if it wouldn't be for one teacher I had in Junior high. People like us don't have hope so we don't vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)but you didnt actually explain why you voted for Sanders and why you think he will improve your lot in life.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Im just not sure hes the person to deliver (I mean, obviously, Biden or Bloomberg certainly wont).
We definitely need great progressive change. I mean, we USED to be for all of those things before the GOP became extremely right wing and the center moved right, followed by far too many Democrats.
This country is as unequal as it had ever been. That has tochange. No one should go broke from medical bills. No one should have to work three jobs.
Im angry all the time about this stuff. So I get it. Bernie is not a bad guy and hes right about much of it.
Partly, I think, our system is to blame. Gobs and gobs of money are spent by lots of bad actors to ensure nothing much changes. We have the Electoral College, which is bullshit. We have only room for two parties, one of which is basically evil, and the other is where the rest of us end up.
So things are kind of screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BootinUp
(47,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Unions that were ripped apart, housing costs that went sky high along with interest rates, pay cuts, layoffs, mills and factories shuttered, small towns devastated... it was just nothing but fun.
Ever try taking to a boomer? We got experience and it wouldn't hurt to ask and listen.
IMHO Sanders is selling you snake oil. Things don't come easy and BS only offers rhetoric. Look for solid ground to walk on.
Just my 2 cents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Minimum wage is not a living wage.
Americans are falling into poverty at an alarming rate.
The middle class has disappeared in our lifetime.
There is only the upper middle class which has done far better than other generations (only a sliver of baby boomers)
The rest of our generation is facing old age without pensions, working until death
Dying from suicide, alcoholism and opioid addiction
Your generation had a lot in common with baby boomers. The house you will never own? This is the house which we cannot sell or we are forced to sell or forced to mortgage to supplement social security
Poverty in this country is generational now.
The one thing I can say for your generation is that you never voted for Ronald Reagan
The one thing I can say for everyone here on DU is that we lived through the Reagan years, the running down of unions, the stagnation of wages, the destruction of pensions, the outsourcing of American jobs, the decline of the cities, horrendous crime rates and we never.never.never.voted for those people who destroyed our country.
Keep voting and keep taxing the rich for social programs. You have nothing to apologize for here. Nothing to explain. We love you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)It's for that reason that I couldn't vote for Sanders this time, the way I did in 2016 - although I did encourage my wife and my daughter to vote for him, because that's where their hearts were. And I thank you for following your heart as well.
We shall overcome. All of us. For the sake of your generation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided