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Celerity

(43,485 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:55 PM Mar 2020

538 : Five Scenarios For How Super Tuesday Could Go

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/five-scenarios-for-how-super-tuesday-could-go/

Earlier today, my colleague Nathaniel Rakich and I wrote about the final FiveThirtyEight forecast before Super Tuesday. There are basically two big themes there. First, yes, the model has shifted strongly to former Vice President Joe Biden in recent days because of his big win in South Carolina and a major bounce for him in polls of Super Tuesday states. But second, there’s a lot of uncertainty, both in terms of what happens tonight and for the rest of the race. The most likely outcome is still that there’s no pledged delegate majority on June 6, once all states and territories have finished voting.

I’m going to focus more on the uncertainty in this story. Let’s stress test the model and see how its Super Tuesday projections might change if various candidates perform better or worse than our projections expect. (If you want to do your own version of this, you can! Please see our Super Tuesday scenarios interactive here.)

Scenario 1: The model is all-knowing

First, let’s establish a baseline case. Here’s how delegates would be allocated tonight under the DNC’s rules if our forecast is exactly right in every state and Congressional district. If this happens (it will not), I’m going to buy myself a really nice steak dinner tomorrow night. (Also, it will probably mean we’re living in a simulation, so this is not necessarily something to root for.)



In the base case, we have Biden finishing just slightly ahead of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, with 461 delegates (34 percent of the total possible tonight) to Bernie’s 445 (33 percent). But our baseline projections also have Michael Bloomberg and Elizabeth Warren picking up decent numbers of delegates. Heck, they even have Amy Klobuchar staying just above 15 percent of the vote in Minnesota and thereby getting delegates there, even though she dropped out. So basically, the base case for tonight is that one-third of the delegates go to Biden, one-third go to Sanders and one-third go to “other,” which is why we could be headed to a no majority (and possibly contested convention) outcome.

Scenario 2: Biden overperforms



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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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538 : Five Scenarios For How Super Tuesday Could Go (Original Post) Celerity Mar 2020 OP
It's truly remarkable that their model now shows Biden potentially getting more delegates. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #1
The Clyburn Effect Celerity Mar 2020 #3
In part, yes, but I think lots and lots of Dems were waiting for some clarity in the race. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #4
+100000000 Celerity Mar 2020 #5
I think this is exactly right peggysue2 Mar 2020 #8
This will be interesting to come back to... hlthe2b Mar 2020 #2
There are 5 cases at the link bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #6
None of those scenarios are really great for Sanders.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #7
Scenario 2 is very likely in my opinion. honest.abe Mar 2020 #9
 

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
1. It's truly remarkable that their model now shows Biden potentially getting more delegates.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020

Three days ago - three - days - ago - we were talking about 100-150 point deficits or more, nearly guaranteed.

Now, the most optimistic, (unrealistic), Sanders overperforms option has Sanders +118. Best-case scenario.

Best-case scenario for Biden: +169.

This is effing crazy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
4. In part, yes, but I think lots and lots of Dems were waiting for some clarity in the race.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:21 PM
Mar 2020

As soon as that clarity arrived, everyone committed. I didn't even decide until yesterday (my primary is today), and I'm a political junkie who's had a favorite candidate in every race since Carter/Ford when I was a little kid. The speed with which this has happened is just...shocking.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, of course. Clyburn with absolutely no doubt was a reason why the gap was so large, and the size of the gap woke a lot of people up, especially when combined with the sudden realization that we were going to end up with Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
8. I think this is exactly right
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:55 PM
Mar 2020

Voters needed that clarity, a signal from the base, that it was a GO4JOE, and then the clarion call that if we (as Democrats) did not coalesce in short order we would cede the primary to Sanders and the General to Trump.

The last minute scramble is indicative of that wake-up call.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,343 posts)
2. This will be interesting to come back to...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
6. There are 5 cases at the link
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:29 PM
Mar 2020

I was in my 40s before I figured out what gut instinct was. It was always preached to me and I had no idea what they were talking about because I was taught to think, not feel with my gut. Anyway, with more experience I now have gut instincts, though I'd call it intuition as well. I'm thinking the Biden overperforms by 7%, Bernie by 1-2%, and those numbers come from the other 2.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,376 posts)
7. None of those scenarios are really great for Sanders....
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 03:36 PM
Mar 2020

I don't think even the "Sanders overperforms" scenario will give him a sufficient pad to grab a plurality of the delegates.

We'll see what happens, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,684 posts)
9. Scenario 2 is very likely in my opinion.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 04:04 PM
Mar 2020

Thing are all moving in Biden favor right now. Sanders is stuck in neutral. I think we are going to see a big night for Biden tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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