Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHow does the Sanders campaign end?
The party seems to have quickly decided on Joe, while Sanders is fading fast.
Its hard to see how Bernie still has a realistic path to the nomination at this point, so the question becomes how will it all end?
Will he recognize reality and unite early in service of defeating Donald Trump?
Or will he continue a zombie campaign to the convention, long after he has been mathematically eliminated?
Assuming he stays in until 3/17, you would have to think a massive defeat in Florida would truly deliver the coup de grace to his fledgling campaign.
If he doesnt get out after that, we may have our answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)At the Dem Convention where he will try and get his views in the platform.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Who can forget the lack of grace and dignity from Bernie and his supporters last time. I expect to hear a lot of victim declarations. I already read a post at Facebook where a Bernie supporter blamed his loss in Texas on the Secretary of State and claimed it was rigged.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Refusing to suspend even after it became mathematically impossible to win; supporters throwing a hissy fit at the convention; sulking for a few weeks afterwards before grudgingly campaigning for the winner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,830 posts)Running around saying the DNC rigged it while well known surrogates actively went for Stein doesn't seem like campaigning to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Harker
(14,034 posts)I doubt he's calculating for four years on.
This should be his final go, I'd think.
I hope he'll redirect his supporters graciously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)TS Eliot - "The Hollow Men"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)Bernie will carry on for a few more weeks, but it's over now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)And seems a little overconfident from supporters of a candidate who was left for dead a week ago.
Let's let everyone vote and then see where things stand. No reason those of us in later states shouldn't get a say. The primaries will be over by June, so there should be plenty of time to unite the party.
Given what he said at the debate and reiterated today, I don't think Bernie will fight to the convention if he has fewer delegates than Biden at the end of the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
AGeddy
(509 posts)Hoping he sees the light, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Once he is mathematically eliminated he needs to drop out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)I feel like a lot of Biden folks here are being sore winners.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,830 posts)Biden seemed pretty down and out, so a few days of euphoria is to be expected. But Bernie cast in the role of sore loser one more time could cause outright harm... again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,124 posts)but that isn't surprising to me. Not even a little bit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,457 posts)He could ruin our chances again and give the country the Orange Menace for another term.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chainfire
(17,636 posts)Is that Sanders is a good enough man, that when the time comes, he will throw his unwavering support behind the apparent nominee.
There are places in government, other than the President's office, where Sanders could do our country a world of good. He would deserve a spot in a Democratically led presidency. (hear that Joe?)
If Sanders tried to play spoiler and it got Trump reelected by a small margin then he would be responsible for hanging us with four more years of Trump, out of spite. I don't think he will do that, and I don't think that his supporters would want him to.
Barring some Bernie miracle, it will be Biden. Now the big question is who he will select has his running mate. I like Warren for that spot, but it is not my call.
The sooner all of this stuff is worked out, the better. The sooner all of us can get behind a candidate and start pounding on Trump instead of each other, the better our chances. Lets remember what makes us more alike than different and go out and hand Trump and his hateful followers the defeat that all deserve. Lets take our country back from the dirty bastards.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)that he is this kind of man. Hopefully he will think of his legacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)But at the end of the primaries, if Biden has a plurality, he should stick with what he said at the debate and endorse Biden. If he ends up with a plurality he should take it to the convention.
I wasn't planning on supporting him this time, but calls for him to drop out are pissing me off and I just might vote for him after all. I live in a state with a later primary and it pisses me off that some people think I shouldn't get to have any say.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)But youre right, it would be very troubling if we still had a competitive race for you to vote on during late April/May, it would certainly not be evidence of a successful process.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)go. This election is too important. The important vote will come in the general. If Sander stays in and say lowers our numbers which makes it likely we don't get the Senate...than he has damaged the country, and shame on him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,124 posts)got to get the girls out of the clubhouse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)If they are, they are certainly not doing it on the level that Sanders supporters are. And they certainly aren't as insulting to Warren as the Sanders supporters have been to her. And they aren't the ones calling her a snake. Or a liar. Or a spoiler. Or anything of the sort.
If you want to vote for Sanders, hey, vote for Sanders. But there is no need to conjure up a false justification for why you are doing so, because if someone's supporters demanding another candidate to suspend their campaign was your guiding light, you would never vote for Sanders given how his supporters have treated Warren (your preferred candidate, apparently).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,124 posts)for Elizabeth Warren. I live in Iowa.
But, Biden people are in full gloat mode, especially about Warren. His speech about "the people of Mass" was a direct "Fuck you" to Warren and all of her supporters.
I'm not fond of Sanders' supporters either, they have been very nasty and dismissive as well.
Some of us are heartbroken that even today, a woman can't be taken seriously. It's as if Clinton losing means nope, no more chances for the womenfolk, just let the old white men take it from here.
And who has been pushing the meme that a woman isn't electable? The surrogates of all the male candidates from day one.
Here's how it goes...
I would vote for a woman for president...
Clinton: but not THAT woman...
Harris: Nope, not her either...
Klobuchar: Nah, not that one...
Warren: Nope, not her either.
Do you even have the tiniest idea how frustrating it is to see that even here, where we're supposed to be at least slightly liberal, people deny that misogyny even exists?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)I am glad you voted for Warren. If Sanders were not in the race, I would have voted for her. I supported her for the longest time, from when she was the first to adamantly come out in favor of impeachment, up until around October/November or so, and I had donated the most to her until Biden's recent surge earned him a few more donations from me.
I knew that there was a sexist element in play during 2016, but I didn't realize how strong it was until this primary. Warren's relatively poor electoral performances, even though she was probably one of the strongest candidates and best campaigners out there, opened my eyes to the sexism that women have to face. It makes me admire Hillary even more for all that she accomplished in the face of such odds.
I am sure that even some Biden supporters have made some sexist remarks or comments that could be seen as such at some point, and for that, I apologize on their behalf. But unfortunately, there is a virulent strain of sexism (among other bigoted sentiments) running through a sizable portion of the Sanders crowd, and that was what I was speaking out against. Luckily the rules of this site probably prevent a lot of it from being shared here, but in other forums, it is downright deplorable what they are doing to all Democrats, but ESPECIALLY Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,124 posts)for this.
It is so hard for people to even admit that there is sexism involved.
I'm frustrated and angry. It will pass in a few days.
I'm glad I only have sons.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pampango
(24,692 posts)SC and yesterday. If Joe keeps doing well over the next couple of weeks and Bernie does not, things might be different.
I don't see the need to effectively close down the rest of the rest of the primaries. It's only the first week of March. If "Joe-mentum" is lasting, not just a SC win and endorsements short term bump, then it will be time for Bernie to consider his primary goal which is to get rid of Trump. I think that under those circumstances things will play out differently than they did in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I hope he puts country before political aspirations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pampango
(24,692 posts)effectively wrap up the nomination. In that case, Bernie should, and I think will, 'put country before political aspirations'.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Voters were faced with what seemed to be an inevitable Bernie nomination, and rallied to the one candidate people thought had a chance to beat him. I would venture to say the most people who voted for Biden did not have him as their first second or even third choice
but were so concerned about Bernie getting an insurmountable lead, that it became a priority to coalesce.
With that kind of momentum against a candidate, I dont see him winning many more votes. He is much like trump in that his base is extremely loyal, but hovers around 30 to 35% in liberal states, and much less in more conservative ones.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pampango
(24,692 posts)that some voters "were so concerned about Bernie getting an insurmountable lead". I would agree that if Joe's momentum proves to be not a short-term phenomenon over the next few weeks, Bernie should do the right thing and withdraw. Primaries see some wild swings. Maybe there won't be another one and Joe's path to the nomination will be assured.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,193 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)And itll be bitter, tho I hope not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)If Sanders wins it - we've got to get out there and vote like our lives depend on it. Because it will.
My preference is Biden - I 'get him' and he's relatable.
But let's wait and see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCynic56
(47 posts)Lets stop the negativity! Every candidate has valid points and thats why Im undecided.
Its to the point where much of this bashing it seems, is coming from Biden supporters. Enough already! Im getting turned off on Biden because of you supporters.
Biden has a lot to offer but hes far from perfect.
Just sayin
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or is that just a self-righteous imagining of yours?
Just sayin', Part II, The Lost G returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheCynic56
(47 posts)Obviously theres no rising above Bernies behavior, your responses make you no better. Lets all stoop to a low. Fair is fair right? Sad.
Why not lead by example? Be a role model? Its not difficult...
peace ✌🏼
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Just sayin'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Wakey wakey emoji snakey.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)unless the DNC gets the powers to eject misbehaving delegates by using security.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)and then bounces any delegates who fail to maintain the decorum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)* * *
Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lynintenn
(649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Meadowoak
(5,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
essme
(1,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided