Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumVOX: Sanders can't lead the Democrats if his campaign treats them like the enemy
A big problem for the Sanders theory of this race is that when turnout is high, he wins, writes Dave Weigel, a political reporter at the Washington Post. Turnout is way up, but the most reliable new voters are Biden-curious suburbanites. As election analyst Dave Wasserman noted, the new voters Sanders promised to pull into the party didnt emerge, and as a result, hes lost ground from 2016.
..........................................
Its not that Sanders is running a weak campaign. But he is, in a way, running the wrong campaign. Hes the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination at least he was until tonight but hes still running as an insurgent. The political revolution was supposed to close the gap between these realities: If Sanders could turn out enough new voters, he could sweep away the Democratic establishment and build his own party in its place. But going all the way back to Iowa, that strategy failed. Sanders won as a Democrat, not a revolutionary, and he needed to pivot to a strategy that would unite the existing Democratic Party around him.
..............................................
The work of the president requires convincing legislators in your party to support your agenda, sometimes at the cost of your political or policy ambitions. If Sanders and his team dont figure out how to do it, they could very well lose to Biden, and even if they win, theyll be unable to govern.
Persuading the Amy Klobuchars of the world to support you, even when they know its a risk, is exactly what the president needs to do to pass bills, whether thats a Green New Deal or Medicare-for-all or just an infrastructure package.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21164091/sanders-biden-super-tuesday-endorsements-primary-2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,476 posts)Never. It has never made any sense at all.
"I don't agree with anyone and they're all a bunch of corporate stooges, but I - and I alone - am the one who can unify them."
The bizarre thing is that he quite honestly seems to believe that, and even if he doesn't, his supporters quite certainly do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)is it just me or does this sound a lot like Trump?
"I don't agree with anyone and they're all a bunch of corporate stooges, but I - and I alone - am the one who can unify them."
Trump always says that he alone can fix it. On this page there's a tweet from Marianne Williamson who said this was like a coup which is something else Trump has said!! I thought we were running against Trump!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,476 posts)I'll preface this by saying that Sanders is nothing like Trump politically or personally, but his rhetoric covers very similar themes. It's rigged, the media hates me, the establishment is against me, both sides are bad, and so on.
Different song, similar lyrics. I think it's entirely possible that a lot of people saw that similarity and acted accordingly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)I agree they are different but I've been noticing some similarities between Bernie & Donnie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Texin
(2,597 posts)It gets old. It was old the first time in Bernie's case. We just hadn't gotten a full does of tRump yet. And after four years of him, I'm surprised there weren't a whole lot of MORE Democratic voters running for the hills when Bernie resurfaced again to again start pointing fingers at the Democratic *establishment* whose sandbox he's been willing to occupy when it helps his agenda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)We need unifiers in this race not another populist divider. Mr. Sanders goes out of his way to soft peddle or totally ignore the divisive rhetoric that comes from his campaign headquarters. The irony , to me at least, is that I agree with 99.9% of his policies and goals. I'm afraid that his campaign staff in particular and way too many of the "Bernie Bros" will so turn off enough of the more middle of the road/moderate factions within our own party AND the same group of Independents that we'll ........ the thought is way too painful to even think of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)is that Bernie's supporters have been sucked into the hate for those of us who are true members of the Democratic Party. They have turned many of us off with their hate and attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cilla4progress
(24,762 posts)for under 30 yesterday?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,791 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,057 posts)We get the job done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
So a rally has 20,000 people in a state that has 8 million voters, leaves a buttload of people in the group's Sanders targets not involved with the rally, while his language toward them turn off other voters that he need voting for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,057 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)President Obama using the nicest language possible to describe Senator Sanders as myopically inflexible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,057 posts)that is. Is a man whose accomplished little in his long political calling for revolution to be trusted?
As someone posted yesterday, you don't remodel when your house is on fire. Our house is on fire now. We don't need promises of revolution and unrealistic freebies. We need to put the fire out (rid the country of the Idiot), return the country to normalcy and decency, and the only candidate who can do that is Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,476 posts)A movement centered around one person is, by definition, not a unifying force. It's an isolating one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,057 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Listening to us, but instead he stands before rallies of his own base and expects us to come to him. And the reason is that he thinks that he and he alone has such a monopoly on the right positions that everyone else should and will just fall into line (I alone can fix it. ) Its a version of narcissism that, while somewhat different from Trumps (but in many ways the same), the country has had enough of.
He whips up anger against the Democrats and then whips up his supporters with charges of establishment rigging when real Democrats he has insulted and dismissed dont vote for him.
The real subtext of Super Tuesday, as I see it, is that voters were not just seeking to find the candidate who could beat Donald Trump but the one who could stop Bernie Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)What else is new?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)is full of African Americans and women -- who didn't appreciate his attitude.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iluvtennis
(19,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)every group in the Democratic party
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)You throw me, a lifelong Democrat, under the bus and trash President Obama, my favorite President, and expect my vote? Please.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)all they do is blame others, Democrats, for losing. Drives me insane.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,553 posts)Yes, he is. Extremely weak. He's been completely ineffective at gaining ground over his support from 2016, and has lost quite a lot of that. He should have been coming into this cycle as a clear and solid front runner, given his position, money and support. He's spent hundreds of millions of dollars and managed to insult and alienate the very people he needs to trust him enough to vote for him. If he can't succeed in getting a consensus on the nomination, then he clearly can't do so to fix health care, climate change or anything else.
As a leader of teams and organizations, large and small, over the last 30 years, I can assure you that he shows a distinct lack of leadership in his ability to form teams, make good personnel decisions, and motivate people other than some of the disaffected. You cannot attack your allies and expect them to go along with you later. Did he learn nothing at all from Trump's handling of our international allies?
These are the marks of a weak campaign. Yelling, lecturing, insulting and getting already poor people to shell out cash for a pipe dream, and refusing to listen to anyone but himself, are not the signs of strength. They are signs of weakness. The sooner that Biden hits 1991, the better for the country and the planet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)fellow dems brings, or if it willfully wants to form a new party and just keep the democratic party name.
Railing about the establishment is nonsensical since the party is made up of such a wide swath of Americans. And not only is it nonsense, Bernie wants to be regarded as a new establishment.
Bernie could cultivate his new base while trying to attract lifetime democrats to his side. But he has chosen a different path. It was a gamble. And, judging by super Tuesday results, it would be a losing proposition to rely on a new Sanders party in order to win up and down the ballot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)and maybe he's running in the wrong primaries. If he wants to run by creating resentment against the Dems and by smearing them, well, there is another party whose rabid electorate feeds on that.
He's approaching 80 years and he hasn't been able to learn the simple lesson of forming coalitions and networks. How is he supposed to get anything done?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue-wave
(4,362 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)so he could say no, and talk about how he turned it down in his next book.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)negotiation, flexibility, and ability to work well with others, even with opponents. Bernie cant play nice. Bidens themes so much deeper and more expansive than Bernies. Bernie leaves out hope.
Kudos for founding a movement, his own, but I doubt his ability to build this coalition he lays claim tomulti-generational , multi-ethnic and certainly can not bring the revolution across the
political spectrum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
somaticexperiencing
(313 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,670 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rizen
(722 posts)That's why I voted for Warren instead of Sanders. I support his policies but not how he attacks the Democrats he NEEDS to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)And spot on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden