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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:18 PM Mar 2020

VOX: Sanders can't lead the Democrats if his campaign treats them like the enemy

Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders have been running very different kinds of campaigns, built on very different ambitions. Biden’s been running to lead the Democratic Party more or less as it exists today. Sanders, by contrast, has sought to lead a political revolution that will upend not just the Democratic Party but American politics more broadly. On Super Tuesday, Sanders’s political revolution didn’t turn out, but the Democratic Party did.

“A big problem for the Sanders theory of this race is that when turnout is high, he wins,” writes Dave Weigel, a political reporter at the Washington Post. “Turnout is way up, but the most reliable new voters are Biden-curious suburbanites.” As election analyst Dave Wasserman noted, the new voters Sanders promised to pull into the party didn’t emerge, and as a result, he’s lost ground from 2016.
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It’s not that Sanders is running a weak campaign. But he is, in a way, running the wrong campaign. He’s the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination — at least he was until tonight — but he’s still running as an insurgent. The political revolution was supposed to close the gap between these realities: If Sanders could turn out enough new voters, he could sweep away the Democratic establishment and build his own party in its place. But going all the way back to Iowa, that strategy failed. Sanders won as a Democrat, not a revolutionary, and he needed to pivot to a strategy that would unite the existing Democratic Party around him.
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The work of the president requires convincing legislators in your party to support your agenda, sometimes at the cost of your political or policy ambitions. If Sanders and his team don’t figure out how to do it, they could very well lose to Biden, and even if they win, they’ll be unable to govern.

Persuading the Amy Klobuchars of the world to support you, even when they know it’s a risk, is exactly what the president needs to do to pass bills, whether that’s a Green New Deal or Medicare-for-all or just an infrastructure package.


https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21164091/sanders-biden-super-tuesday-endorsements-primary-2020
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VOX: Sanders can't lead the Democrats if his campaign treats them like the enemy (Original Post) ehrnst Mar 2020 OP
KR! Cha Mar 2020 #1
That's it in a nutshell. The strategy has never made one bit of sense. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #2
it really is bizarre! subana Mar 2020 #25
Same with the constant attacks on the media. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #28
good point subana Mar 2020 #31
Yeah. Playing the pitiful, aggrieved the "Dems are my enemy" card. Texin Mar 2020 #39
Agreed BigOleDummy Mar 2020 #41
What's bad DownriverDem Mar 2020 #27
So true, but you meet with heavy resistance if you point out this simple fact. nt Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #3
Turnout figures cilla4progress Mar 2020 #4
Age group 18-29... 13% Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #7
How does the, Democratic party get those numbers up uponit7771 Mar 2020 #9
BS can pack venues with the young. Biden can pack the polls with older voters. onetexan Mar 2020 #11
Rallies are for show. Blue_true Mar 2020 #33
second that onetexan Mar 2020 #36
IE Sanders new video walking with Obama. They know the I'm not really a Democratic shit got old. uponit7771 Mar 2020 #5
Left handed complements... BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #8
When someone has nothing but contempt for the people he (or she) wants to lead... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #6
BS is not a uniter. He is divisive. He is not pro-Dem. He is pro-himself and "revolution" whatever onetexan Mar 2020 #10
All that talk about the Bernie Movement should have clued everyone in. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #12
bingo, and centered around a person with little to show for a long career in politics at that onetexan Mar 2020 #15
He could have been reaching out to us, frazzled Mar 2020 #13
Not to mention taking endorsement from creepy or vile men at the expense of women and POC vote. LizBeth Mar 2020 #21
Bernie was doing this in 2016. dubyadiprecession Mar 2020 #14
Also, the Bernie-hated "Democratic establishment" in the South and in urban areas pnwmom Mar 2020 #16
+++++ agree. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #18
Kick mcar Mar 2020 #17
Sanders continued to run campaign as if he did not actually need Democrats vote. He alienated almost LizBeth Mar 2020 #19
Article Hits The.Nail On the Head TomCADem Mar 2020 #20
just had a fight with a bernie supporter Hamlette Mar 2020 #22
This is incorrect: "It's not that Sanders is running a weak campaign." relayerbob Mar 2020 #23
I agree. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #35
I'm not sure if the campaign is so tone deaf that it can't see the damage that trashing Politicub Mar 2020 #24
um, vox, ​Bernie has voted with the Democrats more than many Democrats nt yaesu Mar 2020 #26
He is indeed running the wrong campaign Hav Mar 2020 #29
Exactly! Some people told me Sanders/Biden should run together. Uh nope..nt helpisontheway Mar 2020 #30
Joe is too smart to ever make a mistake like that!! blue-wave Mar 2020 #34
I'm pretty sure that Bernie would be itching to be asked ehrnst Mar 2020 #43
Bernie's personality and character are antithetical to leadership that requires compromise, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #32
Exactly. Formerly for Bernie, but not the recipe we need right now. Go Joe! somaticexperiencing Mar 2020 #37
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2020 #38
I agree, we need a united party Rizen Mar 2020 #40
Well said. BigOleDummy Mar 2020 #42
Absolutely correct.. KICK! Cha Mar 2020 #44
 

TwilightZone

(25,476 posts)
2. That's it in a nutshell. The strategy has never made one bit of sense.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020

Never. It has never made any sense at all.

"I don't agree with anyone and they're all a bunch of corporate stooges, but I - and I alone - am the one who can unify them."

The bizarre thing is that he quite honestly seems to believe that, and even if he doesn't, his supporters quite certainly do.

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subana

(586 posts)
25. it really is bizarre!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:42 PM
Mar 2020

is it just me or does this sound a lot like Trump?

"I don't agree with anyone and they're all a bunch of corporate stooges, but I - and I alone - am the one who can unify them."


Trump always says that he alone can fix it. On this page there's a tweet from Marianne Williamson who said this was like a coup which is something else Trump has said!! I thought we were running against Trump!

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TwilightZone

(25,476 posts)
28. Same with the constant attacks on the media.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:53 PM
Mar 2020

I'll preface this by saying that Sanders is nothing like Trump politically or personally, but his rhetoric covers very similar themes. It's rigged, the media hates me, the establishment is against me, both sides are bad, and so on.

Different song, similar lyrics. I think it's entirely possible that a lot of people saw that similarity and acted accordingly.

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subana

(586 posts)
31. good point
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:57 PM
Mar 2020

I agree they are different but I've been noticing some similarities between Bernie & Donnie.

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Texin

(2,597 posts)
39. Yeah. Playing the pitiful, aggrieved the "Dems are my enemy" card.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:18 PM
Mar 2020

It gets old. It was old the first time in Bernie's case. We just hadn't gotten a full does of tRump yet. And after four years of him, I'm surprised there weren't a whole lot of MORE Democratic voters running for the hills when Bernie resurfaced again to again start pointing fingers at the Democratic *establishment* whose sandbox he's been willing to occupy when it helps his agenda.

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BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
41. Agreed
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

We need unifiers in this race not another populist divider. Mr. Sanders goes out of his way to soft peddle or totally ignore the divisive rhetoric that comes from his campaign headquarters. The irony , to me at least, is that I agree with 99.9% of his policies and goals. I'm afraid that his campaign staff in particular and way too many of the "Bernie Bros" will so turn off enough of the more middle of the road/moderate factions within our own party AND the same group of Independents that we'll ........ the thought is way too painful to even think of.

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DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
27. What's bad
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:49 PM
Mar 2020

is that Bernie's supporters have been sucked into the hate for those of us who are true members of the Democratic Party. They have turned many of us off with their hate and attacks.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,239 posts)
3. So true, but you meet with heavy resistance if you point out this simple fact. nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020
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cilla4progress

(24,762 posts)
4. Turnout figures
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020

for under 30 yesterday?

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uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
9. How does the, Democratic party get those numbers up
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020
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onetexan

(13,057 posts)
11. BS can pack venues with the young. Biden can pack the polls with older voters.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:43 PM
Mar 2020

We get the job done.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. Rallies are for show.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:59 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

So a rally has 20,000 people in a state that has 8 million voters, leaves a buttload of people in the group's Sanders targets not involved with the rally, while his language toward them turn off other voters that he need voting for him.

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uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
5. IE Sanders new video walking with Obama. They know the I'm not really a Democratic shit got old.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020
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BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
8. Left handed complements...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:29 PM
Mar 2020

President Obama using the nicest language possible to describe Senator Sanders as myopically inflexible.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. When someone has nothing but contempt for the people he (or she) wants to lead...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020
But he is, in a way, running the wrong campaign.
When someone has nothing but contempt for the people he (or she) wants to lead, I think it's only natural that those feelings would be returned. Disrespect begets disrespect. Distrust begets distrust. Insults and lies only result in resentment and suspicion.
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onetexan

(13,057 posts)
10. BS is not a uniter. He is divisive. He is not pro-Dem. He is pro-himself and "revolution" whatever
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020

that is. Is a man whose accomplished little in his long political calling for revolution to be trusted?

As someone posted yesterday, you don't remodel when your house is on fire. Our house is on fire now. We don't need promises of revolution and unrealistic freebies. We need to put the fire out (rid the country of the Idiot), return the country to normalcy and decency, and the only candidate who can do that is Biden.

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TwilightZone

(25,476 posts)
12. All that talk about the Bernie Movement should have clued everyone in.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

A movement centered around one person is, by definition, not a unifying force. It's an isolating one.

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onetexan

(13,057 posts)
15. bingo, and centered around a person with little to show for a long career in politics at that
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020
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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
13. He could have been reaching out to us,
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:50 PM
Mar 2020

Listening to us, but instead he stands before rallies of his own base and expects us to come to him. And the reason is that he thinks that he and he alone has such a monopoly on the right positions that everyone else should and will just fall into line (“I alone can fix it.” ) It’s a version of narcissism that, while somewhat different from Trump’s (but in many ways the same), the country has had enough of.

He whips up anger against the Democrats and then whips up his supporters with charges of establishment rigging when real Democrats he has insulted and dismissed don’t vote for him.

The real subtext of Super Tuesday, as I see it, is that voters were not just seeking to find the candidate who could beat Donald Trump but the one who could stop Bernie Sanders.

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LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
21. Not to mention taking endorsement from creepy or vile men at the expense of women and POC vote.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020
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dubyadiprecession

(5,722 posts)
14. Bernie was doing this in 2016.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

What else is new?

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pnwmom

(108,991 posts)
16. Also, the Bernie-hated "Democratic establishment" in the South and in urban areas
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:04 PM
Mar 2020

is full of African Americans and women -- who didn't appreciate his attitude.

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LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
19. Sanders continued to run campaign as if he did not actually need Democrats vote. He alienated almost
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:10 PM
Mar 2020

every group in the Democratic party

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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
20. Article Hits The.Nail On the Head
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

You throw me, a lifelong Democrat, under the bus and trash President Obama, my favorite President, and expect my vote? Please.

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Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
22. just had a fight with a bernie supporter
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

all they do is blame others, Democrats, for losing. Drives me insane.

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relayerbob

(6,553 posts)
23. This is incorrect: "It's not that Sanders is running a weak campaign."
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:37 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, he is. Extremely weak. He's been completely ineffective at gaining ground over his support from 2016, and has lost quite a lot of that. He should have been coming into this cycle as a clear and solid front runner, given his position, money and support. He's spent hundreds of millions of dollars and managed to insult and alienate the very people he needs to trust him enough to vote for him. If he can't succeed in getting a consensus on the nomination, then he clearly can't do so to fix health care, climate change or anything else.

As a leader of teams and organizations, large and small, over the last 30 years, I can assure you that he shows a distinct lack of leadership in his ability to form teams, make good personnel decisions, and motivate people other than some of the disaffected. You cannot attack your allies and expect them to go along with you later. Did he learn nothing at all from Trump's handling of our international allies?

These are the marks of a weak campaign. Yelling, lecturing, insulting and getting already poor people to shell out cash for a pipe dream, and refusing to listen to anyone but himself, are not the signs of strength. They are signs of weakness. The sooner that Biden hits 1991, the better for the country and the planet

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
24. I'm not sure if the campaign is so tone deaf that it can't see the damage that trashing
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:41 PM
Mar 2020

fellow dems brings, or if it willfully wants to form a new party and just keep the democratic party name.

Railing about the establishment is nonsensical since the party is made up of such a wide swath of Americans. And not only is it nonsense, Bernie wants to be regarded as a new establishment.

Bernie could cultivate his new base while trying to attract lifetime democrats to his side. But he has chosen a different path. It was a gamble. And, judging by super Tuesday results, it would be a losing proposition to rely on a new Sanders party in order to win up and down the ballot.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
26. um, vox, ​Bernie has voted with the Democrats more than many Democrats nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:46 PM
Mar 2020
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Hav

(5,969 posts)
29. He is indeed running the wrong campaign
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:55 PM
Mar 2020

and maybe he's running in the wrong primaries. If he wants to run by creating resentment against the Dems and by smearing them, well, there is another party whose rabid electorate feeds on that.
He's approaching 80 years and he hasn't been able to learn the simple lesson of forming coalitions and networks. How is he supposed to get anything done?

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helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
30. Exactly! Some people told me Sanders/Biden should run together. Uh nope..nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020
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blue-wave

(4,362 posts)
34. Joe is too smart to ever make a mistake like that!!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:05 PM
Mar 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. I'm pretty sure that Bernie would be itching to be asked
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:29 PM
Mar 2020

so he could say no, and talk about how he turned it down in his next book.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
32. Bernie's personality and character are antithetical to leadership that requires compromise,
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

negotiation, flexibility, and ability to work well with others, even with opponents. Bernie can’t play nice. Biden’s themes so much deeper and more expansive than Bernie’s. Bernie leaves out hope.

Kudos for founding a movement, his own, but I doubt his ability to build this coalition he lays claim to—multi-generational , multi-ethnic and certainly can not bring the revolution across the
political spectrum.

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37. Exactly. Formerly for Bernie, but not the recipe we need right now. Go Joe!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 04:51 PM
Mar 2020
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Rizen

(722 posts)
40. I agree, we need a united party
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:24 PM
Mar 2020

That's why I voted for Warren instead of Sanders. I support his policies but not how he attacks the Democrats he NEEDS to win.

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BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
42. Well said.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 05:36 PM
Mar 2020

And spot on.

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Cha

(297,586 posts)
44. Absolutely correct.. KICK!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:56 PM
Mar 2020
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