and her passion.

She would have been one of the greatest presidents.

This is going to take a bit to heal.

Bright side, I think Bernie benefitted from an existing network still in place from 2016, and next time, should she be willing to go through this again, she will too.

/ I am not undecided. I decided early and we lost.

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Some backed the wrong horse

If they, and of course "they" meaning supporters of Senator Sanders, were truly concerned about the progressive movement, they should have rallied behind the better candidate, Elizabeth Warren.

a man with far less extensive credentials over a woman with vastly superior skills and plans. In the corporate world, it might even have ended up in a courtroom

I understand that Bernie still had his fans from 2016 and before, but yeah. She actually could have pushed a progressive agenda in a way that didn't scare Midwestern grandparents.

Just moved to Biden from her late Tuesday, as this was clearly the only path. But, a very sad day.

You are right. One of a kind.

Next go round... after she becomes the Senator that replaces a retiring Dianne Feinstein.

Bright, aggressive, unafraid, and (as Bill Maher noted*) engagingly funny, this woman has the potential of being a star class president.

(*Actually, when she was on the Maher show, after firing several hysterical quips into the political conversation -- including one at Maher's expense -- the comedian explained "I knew you were smart, but I had no idea you were also funny.&quot

I see Biden picking Kamala as his VP choice. That leads to Gov Newsom appointing Adam Schiff to Kamala’s vacated seat, and he’ll hold that seat for decades.

Feinstein’s seat? You may be right. Katie could be there some day.

I love Kamala... but I don't think Joe picks her. As a Californian, she doesn't put any state in play that wasn't in play. Stacey Abrams, otoh, puts Georgia in play as a new swing state.

And Katie is likely the smartest person in the House right now... and DiFi will likely not seek another term.

But DiFi's term goes until 2024... And are you saying that Kamala doesn't get to run again for President? (There is also the possibility that Kamala gets tapped for something in the new Cabinet, meaning that Katie could run to replace her—if Adam Schiff doesn't go for it...)


I think we need a plan...

but I was assuming that Dianne might retire before her term expires.

OTOH, if we win back the Senate this year... she would be up for some very senior Senate positions so maybe she hangs on.

I am assuming that Kamala is either VP, or... more likely AG.

Either way I think Katie would be an excellent Senator from California. She does her homework.

somewhat akin to FDR's Brain Trust. Rare indeed for them to gain traction as a presidential candidate.

She’s a brilliant person, but I think she’s a bad politician. She never showed much interest in trying to expand her coalition. She suffered from some of the same things that’s hurting Bernie right now. Not to the same extent, but similar problems.

As expected.

Good luck with that.

She should have never tried to crowd into Bernie's lane. She had two realistic paths to the nomination. If Bernie wasn't running, she could have been the hard left candidate. But with him there, her best chance was to forge a path between the moderates and liberals, and tried to slurp up all of the support that went to Pete and Amy. If she could have made it a 3 person race between her, Joe, and Bernie, then she could have become the compromise candidate if there was a brokered convention.

I also have in issue with the "She has a plan for that" slogan. All of her plans just felt like Bernie's plans, with a little tweaking. She didn't go with her strengths. She tried to be a populist, when she would have been better off selling herself as a problem solver.

I briefly was looking to support her early on, but I moved to Pete when she went all in on Medicare for All. She should have come up with her own unique plan. But instead, every time she pushed M4A, she was just promoting Bernie instead of herself.

"She never showed much interest in trying to expand her coalition."

You have evidence or data directly supporting that? You made a handful of editorial statement, but failed to support any of them.

It’s not just from the campaign, she’s one of the least popular Senators in the Senate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-every-senator-ranks-according-to-popularity-above-replacement-senator/

She’s wildly popular with college educated whites, but struggles outside that demographic.

You say "sure" that you have proof that she didn't try to expand her constituency. That article doesn't do that. At all.

You try to use it to bolster your absurd statement that she is very unpopular with other senators. It doesn't do that either. I guess the concept of the article was too complicated for you to get, but it didn't have anything to do with being liked by fellow senators.

Of course, maybe you knew that. Maybe you just wanted to be crass and try to irritate Warren supporters.

If you wanted to divide the party and chase away Democrats from voting to nominate Joe, there isn't much more you could do to actually help keep Biden from being the candidate to run against trump. That isn't really what you want to do, is it? It that is what you really want to do, then you are really good at it.

I supported Warren from the beginning, but switched to Biden for the primary despite boors from the Biden and Bernie camps who trashed her. I did so because the most important thing is to beat trump. At least that is what most of us are trying to do rather than help trump by posting needless division.

even comes close. Don't beat me up if you disagree. This is just IMHO.

I think Warren has her own strengths, and since she isn't this year's nominee she could run again.

Totally with you on that.

Hillary was the pinnacle. I’m STILL hurting from that one. It’s gonna take a long time for me to get over it, if ever.

politician crap. I've seen her work on the senate banking committee. You may not like progressive ideas or candidates but you are way off base.

Link or slink

Grave dancing is not the way to unity...

A lot of latent misogyny even on DU.

that it wasn't about Hillary or Kamala or Amy or Elizabeth.

It is about misogyny.

And the more men tell me it doesn't exist, the more clear it becomes.

The US is a deeply misogynistic nation.

"I'd vote for a woman, just not THAT woman..." except every woman is "that" woman.

Many in the U.S.A. feel threatened by strong women.

Strong women frighten them.

And it's heartbreaking

Over and over and over again!

Warren was the best and perhaps the only chance to correct the direction of country.
Middle class is drowning in student debt, credit card debt, high mortgage loans due to housing bubble in many areas, car loans, compounded with near zero return on their meager savings which are being eaten away by inflation, more and more bankruptcies due to medical expenses, and stagnant wages!

While we are creating more and bigger Billionaires who own more assets than combined assets of half Americans.

Sad day indeed

I truly think Warren is a great politician and love that she always has an actual plan in plan - unlike the other Progressive in the race. I would gladly vote for her.

at key decision points this election she's done what's best for America, not herself. Her results in the primaries are largely because of voter perception that Biden is our best chance to defeat the dumbass in chief, not because they don't like her policies and proposals. The left consolidated around Bernie. Moderates were divided but now consolidated around Biden.

But the fight against America's cancer is still the highest priority.

I'm keeping my preference until its official but DAMN!!!!!!!!! I love Ms. Warren and have wanted her to run for a long time. It bewilders me that she couldn't get more support. Can't understand it.

She alienated moderates and didn't get much traction from the Bernie supporters.

that it is overstating to say she was a once in a lifetime candidate. What would that even mean?

I like her and was planning to vote for her in my primary. But we spend too much time in hagiography around here and elsewhere.

Our job is to get good candidates (and there are and will be many) who can do the best of our country. It's not our job to find saviors (of which there are few). Some people are successful in campaigns and some are not.

I wish she had been more successful, but I refuse to believe that somebody as good won't come along. She will. And I will vote for her.

I do agree that it is a sad day.

If the next Dem president chooses to serve only one term...

My guess is she's not done yet. She is a fighter and a brilliant woman. She'll keep fighting for all of us. Thank you, Elizabeth Warren!!!

And also I just really wanted her to. And I'm sad that she's not our nominee now and that she wasn't then.

And who knows, she might just be our first woman VP.

and if we actually win the trifecta (white house and both houses of congress), she'll be legend.

she'll be this generation's ted kennedy, lioness of the senate.

... with Rachel, what was clear is that misogyny is happening far and wide. Followed that by watching the doc on Frances Perkins. No doubt Warren is the latter day Frances Perkins. I hope Biden puts her in the post she wants.

being done.

pisses me off

That is a travesty! Sexism is alive and thriving, so, so disappointing.

That is the German and the Yiddish word for "Real"....

I just got teary eyed listening to her. She is truly Echt.

I know we have not heard the last from her and she has much more good work to do....

I don't think anyone should expect her to come out immediately and endorse either Sanders or Biden. She will wait and she will hold her power and she will then become a part of the future Democratic Presidency and whether it be helping them from the Senate or even a role in the administration - She will do great things and play a role.

missed.

One hope is she gets picked as VP (not too likely) but she would be a shoo-in for president next cycle.

I've made my peace with Biden, but I find it really difficult to understand why, yet again, someone who was bested by Hillary Clinton gets to move on while she's relegated to the sidelines.

2008 - had more votes than Obama, but the DNC wouldn't count Michigan and Florida, so she finished second while Biden was a distant fifth (and he was put on the ticket, not her). Soldiered on with a smile.

2016 - beat Bernie by 4 million votes, was accused of rigging, was booed at her own convention, soldiered on with a smile.

2016 - had to battle bitter Bernie supporters, the Russians, the FBI, Comey, and Trump, still won by 3 million votes, but was hamstrung by the Electoral College. Soldiered on with a smile and a few tears.

Yet it's fine and dandy for all these people Hillary beat to run again, and if she'd tried it, well, we all know what would happen.

a sad day. We will never get a woman president. I hate that the freaking baby in the white house is gloating by all who are dropping out. At lest non on our side need Russia to cheat to put our side in office. I will follow Liz wherever she goes. I hope whomever wins the presidency puts Liz a post because she deserves it. If it is Joe,;I hope he puts every leader who endorsed him .Trump was paid and brought before he even squatted his but in the oval office. Misogyny is right.Our country is a mess.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but worse than that, if we ever do, it won't be one who was in the trenches while woman fought for their rights.

It will be someone who's the recipient of the hard-won battles, and the women who really made it happen and understand what it took to get there will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Women in their 20s and 30s DO NOT KNOW what the women before them went through, and very few choose to acknowledge it.

Of vice president!

We needed her more than we need either of the old white guys.
That being said, I will still vote for whichever one gets the nomination.
I would do so with more gusto if Elizabeth were also on the ticket.

But she will still be fighting for all of us!

I am bummed and sick of the misogyny.

I would love to see her maybe become the Senate Majority Leader.

I wish her well, and hope she endorses the real change- Bernie!

I still would prefer Elizabeth Warren as our next president.

Both Biden and Sanders have run for President before.

Why wouldn’t she? She’s obviously Presidential material.

Let her serve where she'll do the most good if she wishes. SEC, Treasury. A pit-bull lording over wall street and the financials.
As far as a woman never being president, I'm not there yet. I believe Michelle would have stomped the competition and undone all Trump took away from her husband and America. That would have been beautiful as well.
Right now there is only one objective, WIN. Biden is not the ideal progressive but consider this. The aged are being replaced by the youth. Time is on our side. We'll get there. We absolutely must win. Look what Trump did in his first term. Just imagine what he'll do in a second when reelection isn't an issue.

She is truly exceptional - brilliant, courageous, leader.

where she’d be if Bernie had decided not to run. My guess is it would have come down to her and Biden, and I’m not sure who would win that.

“Choose to fight only righteous fights, because then when things get tough-and they will- you will know that there is only one option ahead of you: nevertheless, you must persist.”

Her and Buttigieg. She had well thought out plans for everything. She was articulate, passionate, and would have made an incredible President. As much as I respect Clinton, and only in hindsight, I've come to wish she'd been our nominee in 2016.

Oh, please. Warren is of the people. I agree with that. I think that most of her policies would be good for the people.
She isn't THAT primo. Sorry.

in the future. She would be an excellent president.

If bumper sticker I ordered comes in considering putting on my car still. If she’s on either ticket my vote might follow.

Bernie Sanders is now.

Hope!

she would have chewed up trump and spit him out in little pieces. If he would even agree to a debate.

not out of the question, or a President Harris or a President Klobuchar or ...

And she won the popular vote by 3 Million.

How soon we forget, eh?

Progressives still treat her like shit.

didn't like Hillary Clinton at all back in 2016. So, it's like she didn't count, despite winning a majority of the popular vote and being the first woman nominated by a major political party for President in history.

It's almost like she never existed and never ran and won the popular vote.

I find that very disturbing, frankly. I was as excited to have her as our Candidate in 2016, as I was to have Barack Obama as our candidate in 2008. Both were groundbreaking, revolutionary nominees. I was excited to vote for both of them, too.

But, many others in our Party were not happy with Hillary Clinton as our nominee, and not just the men, either.

It's incredibly sad, to me, frankly.

She has INTEGRITY.