Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe WSJ editorial agrees with Sanders: the primaries were rigged, at least in CA
Bernie Sanders supporters who complain that the Democratic primary contest is rigged may have an ironic point. Look how he was denied what might have been a bigger victory in California on Super Tuesday that would have countered Joe Bidens Eastern U.S. rout narrative. Californias tally at our deadline Friday had Mr. Sanders with 33.6% of the statewide vote to Mr. Bidens 25.3%. But about three million mail-in and provisional ballots still have to be counted, and the state has until April 10 to certify results. So we wont know how many of Californias 415 delegates Mr. Sanders won for another month or so.
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In the state with the largest electorate in the nation, the vote count does not end on Election Nightand thats a good thing, declared Secretary of State Alex Padilla on Tuesday. Mr. Padilla is trying to put a positive spin on Californias voting fiasco. Lawmakers recently overhauled election procedures in the name of making it easier for young people and Hispanics to vote. Yet the result was the opposite, and Mr. Sanders is the victim.
Start with the states 2016 Voters Choice Act, which allowed counties this year to reduce polling places and instead send absentee ballots to all voters. The law also expanded in-person voting and let voters cast ballots at any polling place in their county. Voters may also register, or change their party identification or address, on Election Day. As a result, polling places were swamped with new voters and independents who didnt realize they had to formally request mail-in Democratic ballots. Fifteen counties experienced problems trying to connect to online voter databases. After waiting in line for hours, many voters had to cast provisional ballots.
The Legislature gave Los Angeles County an exemption from the 2016 law after local officials complained it was too expensive to mail ballots to each of its 5.5 million voters following a $300 million voting system upgrade. Called Voting Solutions for All People, the upgrade made Iowas caucuses look competent.
Poll workers were supposed to use computer tablets to look up voter registrations, but the devices stalled as more tried to connect with the county online database. Then voters couldnt figure out the high-tech voting contraptions, which required selecting choices on a touch screen, printing out a physical ballot, re-inserting the ballot into the machine and clicking a final button. Many voters left without completing all steps or realizing they didnt vote. Because machines repeatedly broke down, many voters had to complete write-in forms, some of which were in languages they didnt speak. All these dysfunctions resulted in hours-long lines, which one voter compared to being stuck in traffic on LAs 405 freeway.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-steals-its-own-electioncalifornia-steals-its-own-election-11583537200 (subscription)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
defacto7
(13,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,544 posts)should not have such an incompetent system.
We did not like it (many of us) when the first in the nation were two small states which are not representative of the country. Seems that the large state is not much better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)The reporters seem more even-handed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
keithbvadu2
(36,955 posts)An economics professor told me that the WSJ articles are usually non-biased but not so for the editorial page.
Bernie is the favored one for Donald and Vlad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)And if a person wanted to drop ballot in mail or in-person they had days to do it.
I think California getting so much of its population to vote and taking longer to count it is just fine with me.
BTW I have no sympathy for the No Preferred Party people. Many states dont let anyone but registered members of a given party vote in primaries. For people who actually care about their voting franchise there were many ways to assure that if they wanted to stay independent they could still vote in Dem primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,449 posts)California takes time because they insure that ALL votes are counted, including provisional ballots
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Wouldnt this affect both both equally? Wat am I mission? California steals its own election...wheres the rigged part?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,544 posts)10 will kinda lose any tail wind that he could have had for the primaries and caucuses in between.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)By having such a lengthy procedure, California stole its ability of its own election it influence the national stage. It was not that was rigged against Bernie.I think she may be shit stirring
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,809 posts)The provisional and mail in ballots so sanders could claim a victory? Instead of carefully counting each one?
As I recall it was sanders that pushed the DNC to have Ca go earlier rather than later.
Problem?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)The same is true of WA and Oregon which also have paper ballots that can be mailed in until the last day.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So he loses nothing other than Biden closing the gap with him as more ballots are counted.
On Florida we vote in closed primaries on both the democratic and republican side. Any Non Affiliated person that cares to vote in one of the party primaries should realize that and change registration to that party by the closing date for reregistering.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....as some in Texas or other states.
Long lines, broken machines, glitches are just a part of the game and they have been for years.
The problems in California weren't partisan, voters for all candidates had the same problems.
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question everything
(47,544 posts)of long waiting time, yes, as bad as in TX.
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Squinch
(51,026 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radius777
(3,635 posts)as well, many of whom are black, women, working class, older, etc.
we desperately need electoral/voting reform in this country.
the right to vote should be considered sacred in a democracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)the problem. Florida, a state of over 20 million, uses optical scanners that work well. The only issue with Florida is that it doesn't mandate how much can be on a ballot, making it possible for counties like Broward County to stuff all types of shit on a general election ballot, whereas counties like mine have their own off General elections to addess local issues.
The California Assembly can mandate a standard voting platform, mandate the number of voters per voting machine, and provide state funds to counties to help them changeover their systems to the statewide platform, and mandate that only statewide races or ballot issues show up on General Election ballots or national primary ballots (President, US House, US Senate, Governor).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)pooped into their boots.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)The reporters are more even-handed, but the Editorial page is strongly Republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)About a 10 minute wait. Smoozed w/ a couple other Vets working polls. I was too lazy to walk 200 yards to the polling station for 10 days, so I could have just dropped off my ballot but didn't.
WSJ go to hell
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NNadir
(33,569 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue-wave
(4,368 posts)Who has benefited the most under Trump? Wall Street and their cronies. I would expect nothing less from the Wall Street Journal. They are trying to sow seeds of division among the Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)While California tries to get as many people as possible to vote, Other states try to stop people from voting. Write some articles about those states.
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RDavisJ1
(52 posts)But wants to complain NOW about this in California. Sanders campaign runs on double standards.
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NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)But no candidate was helped or hurt by it.
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honest.abe
(8,685 posts)It appears same day voters and late mail-in voters are trending towards Biden so if all the ballots were somehow counted immediately with no delays, the result would have been better for Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So, Sanders get the lift from that. In April, if after all votes are counted, Biden is the actual winner, he gets no benefit other than he gets more pledged delegates.
I believe that California should go to a statewide optical scanner ballot system, like Florida, only with better software and monitoring to prevent hackers from attacking the system. Put plenty of polling stations everywhere in the state and have them open from 6am-Midnight, seven days per week over the early voting period, staffed by paid staff and paid part-time staff, if volunteers want to be certified to help out, that can be done to a uniform standard. The polls should be open for two solid weeks before Election Day and of course on Election Day. Voters will have 18 hours to vote for 14 days and the normal hours on Election Day, anyone who doesn't get to vote would have only themselves to blame.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karynnj
(59,507 posts)They base their claim on the ASSUMPTION that the percent Sanders got will increase compared to the election night numbers. As of today, his lead is shrinking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden