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question everything

(47,544 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:44 PM Mar 2020

The WSJ editorial agrees with Sanders: the primaries were rigged, at least in CA

Bernie Sanders supporters who complain that the Democratic primary contest is rigged may have an ironic point. Look how he was denied what might have been a bigger victory in California on Super Tuesday that would have countered Joe Biden’s Eastern U.S. rout narrative. California’s tally at our deadline Friday had Mr. Sanders with 33.6% of the statewide vote to Mr. Biden’s 25.3%. But about three million mail-in and provisional ballots still have to be counted, and the state has until April 10 to certify results. So we won’t know how many of California’s 415 delegates Mr. Sanders won for another month or so.

(snip)

“In the state with the largest electorate in the nation, the vote count does not end on Election Night—and that’s a good thing,” declared Secretary of State Alex Padilla on Tuesday. Mr. Padilla is trying to put a positive spin on California’s voting fiasco. Lawmakers recently overhauled election procedures in the name of making it easier for young people and Hispanics to vote. Yet the result was the opposite, and Mr. Sanders is the victim.

Start with the state’s 2016 Voter’s Choice Act, which allowed counties this year to reduce polling places and instead send absentee ballots to all voters. The law also expanded in-person voting and let voters cast ballots at any polling place in their county. Voters may also register, or change their party identification or address, on Election Day. As a result, polling places were swamped with new voters and independents who didn’t realize they had to formally request mail-in Democratic ballots. Fifteen counties experienced problems trying to connect to online voter databases. After waiting in line for hours, many voters had to cast provisional ballots.

The Legislature gave Los Angeles County an exemption from the 2016 law after local officials complained it was too expensive to mail ballots to each of its 5.5 million voters following a $300 million voting system upgrade. Called Voting Solutions for All People, the upgrade made Iowa’s caucuses look competent.

Poll workers were supposed to use computer tablets to look up voter registrations, but the devices stalled as more tried to connect with the county online database. Then voters couldn’t figure out the high-tech voting contraptions, which required selecting choices on a touch screen, printing out a physical ballot, re-inserting the ballot into the machine and clicking a final button. Many voters left without completing all steps or realizing they didn’t vote. Because machines repeatedly broke down, many voters had to complete write-in forms, some of which were in languages they didn’t speak. All these dysfunctions resulted in hours-long lines, which one voter compared to being stuck in traffic on LA’s 405 freeway.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-steals-its-own-electioncalifornia-steals-its-own-election-11583537200 (subscription)



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The WSJ editorial agrees with Sanders: the primaries were rigged, at least in CA (Original Post) question everything Mar 2020 OP
And what way does WSJ lean politicly.... defacto7 Mar 2020 #1
Oh, I am sure they wrote it full of glee but regrdless of Sanders, the largest state question everything Mar 2020 #3
Murdoch owned. we can do it Mar 2020 #8
Yup defacto7 Mar 2020 #10
The editorial side leans Republican. pnwmom Mar 2020 #18
An economics professor told me that the WSJ articles are usually non-biased but not so for the edito keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #26
Right. That's my impression, too. n/t pnwmom Mar 2020 #27
Not tracking with this at all. California made it easier to vote SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #2
Exactlyl. I have been voting in California by mail for some time and have never had a problem. still_one Mar 2020 #6
I'm having understanding how this is in favor of one candidate over another Dream Girl Mar 2020 #4
I think that the assumption is that at the end, Sanders will claim victory in CA but coming in April question everything Mar 2020 #9
But have impacted anyone in the same same way. The policy is neutral. They wat was is saying in that Dream Girl Mar 2020 #16
Oh I get it...so they think that the most populous state in the union should just toss all Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #24
Okay, but this is how CA does it, and the delay would affect any winner. pnwmom Mar 2020 #28
He has already claimed victory. He did that on Wednesday. Blue_true Mar 2020 #30
No, the California primary wasn't rigged! People in California didn't wait on line as long.... George II Mar 2020 #5
Late in the evening they were reporting from someplace in downtown LA question everything Mar 2020 #11
Rupert Murdoch says what? Squinch Mar 2020 #7
CA vote process applies to all candidates. rigged is trying to get an outcome for only ONE nt msongs Mar 2020 #12
THIS emmaverybo Mar 2020 #13
Unadulterated rubbish. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #14
this is a disgrace, but it must've affected Biden voters radius777 Mar 2020 #15
Voting is a state function. California is a blue state. The leaders there need to fix Blue_true Mar 2020 #32
Bullshit,Murdoch News once again Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #17
"Blame incompetent progressive government." Their right-wing bias is showing. pnwmom Mar 2020 #19
I had no problems jaysunb Mar 2020 #20
Murdoch's minions seem upset that Bernie isn't doing better. n/t. NNadir Mar 2020 #21
Well Duh!! blue-wave Mar 2020 #22
What a load of bullshit. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #23
Interesting how Sanders rushed past IA... RDavisJ1 Mar 2020 #25
"Rigged" is a wrong adjective. "Chaotic" and "inefficient" perhaps NCProgressive Mar 2020 #29
One could argue this hurts Biden more than Sanders. honest.abe Mar 2020 #31
Exactly right. Also, Sanders and the Media are saying that he won California. Blue_true Mar 2020 #33
Biden had lower numbers Tuesday night than he has now, Sanders is about the same karynnj Mar 2020 #34
 

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
1. And what way does WSJ lean politicly....
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:47 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,544 posts)
3. Oh, I am sure they wrote it full of glee but regrdless of Sanders, the largest state
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:51 PM
Mar 2020

should not have such an incompetent system.

We did not like it (many of us) when the first in the nation were two small states which are not representative of the country. Seems that the large state is not much better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
18. The editorial side leans Republican.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:11 PM
Mar 2020

The reporters seem more even-handed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

keithbvadu2

(36,955 posts)
26. An economics professor told me that the WSJ articles are usually non-biased but not so for the edito
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020

An economics professor told me that the WSJ articles are usually non-biased but not so for the editorial page.

Bernie is the favored one for Donald and Vlad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
27. Right. That's my impression, too. n/t
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:24 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
2. Not tracking with this at all. California made it easier to vote
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

And if a person wanted to drop ballot in mail or in-person they had days to do it.

I think California getting so much of its population to vote and taking longer to count it is just fine with me.

BTW I have no sympathy for the “No Preferred Party” people. Many states don’t let anyone but registered members of a given party vote in primaries. For people who actually care about their voting franchise there were many ways to assure that if they wanted to stay independent they could still vote in Dem primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,449 posts)
6. Exactlyl. I have been voting in California by mail for some time and have never had a problem.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:54 PM
Mar 2020

California takes time because they insure that ALL votes are counted, including provisional ballots


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
4. I'm having understanding how this is in favor of one candidate over another
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:52 PM
Mar 2020

Wouldn’t this affect both both equally? Wat am I mission? California steals its own election...where’s the rigged part?

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primary today, I would vote for:
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question everything

(47,544 posts)
9. I think that the assumption is that at the end, Sanders will claim victory in CA but coming in April
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020

10 will kinda lose any tail wind that he could have had for the primaries and caucuses in between.

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Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
16. But have impacted anyone in the same same way. The policy is neutral. They wat was is saying in that
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:06 PM
Mar 2020

By having such a lengthy procedure, California stole its ability of its own election it influence the national stage. It was not that was rigged against Bernie.I think she may be shit stirring

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Thekaspervote

(32,809 posts)
24. Oh I get it...so they think that the most populous state in the union should just toss all
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:04 PM
Mar 2020

The provisional and mail in ballots so sanders could claim a victory? Instead of carefully counting each one?

As I recall it was sanders that pushed the DNC to have Ca go earlier rather than later.

Problem?

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pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
28. Okay, but this is how CA does it, and the delay would affect any winner.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020

The same is true of WA and Oregon which also have paper ballots that can be mailed in until the last day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. He has already claimed victory. He did that on Wednesday.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:56 PM
Mar 2020

So he loses nothing other than Biden closing the gap with him as more ballots are counted.

On Florida we vote in closed primaries on both the democratic and republican side. Any Non Affiliated person that cares to vote in one of the party primaries should realize that and change registration to that party by the closing date for reregistering.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. No, the California primary wasn't rigged! People in California didn't wait on line as long....
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:53 PM
Mar 2020

....as some in Texas or other states.

Long lines, broken machines, glitches are just a part of the game and they have been for years.

The problems in California weren't partisan, voters for all candidates had the same problems.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,544 posts)
11. Late in the evening they were reporting from someplace in downtown LA
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:59 PM
Mar 2020

of long waiting time, yes, as bad as in TX.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,459 posts)
12. CA vote process applies to all candidates. rigged is trying to get an outcome for only ONE nt
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

radius777

(3,635 posts)
15. this is a disgrace, but it must've affected Biden voters
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:05 PM
Mar 2020

as well, many of whom are black, women, working class, older, etc.

we desperately need electoral/voting reform in this country.

the right to vote should be considered sacred in a democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Voting is a state function. California is a blue state. The leaders there need to fix
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:06 PM
Mar 2020

the problem. Florida, a state of over 20 million, uses optical scanners that work well. The only issue with Florida is that it doesn't mandate how much can be on a ballot, making it possible for counties like Broward County to stuff all types of shit on a general election ballot, whereas counties like mine have their own off General elections to addess local issues.

The California Assembly can mandate a standard voting platform, mandate the number of voters per voting machine, and provide state funds to counties to help them changeover their systems to the statewide platform, and mandate that only statewide races or ballot issues show up on General Election ballots or national primary ballots (President, US House, US Senate, Governor).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
17. Bullshit,Murdoch News once again
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:07 PM
Mar 2020

pooped into their boots.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
19. "Blame incompetent progressive government." Their right-wing bias is showing.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:12 PM
Mar 2020

The reporters are more even-handed, but the Editorial page is strongly Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
20. I had no problems
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:21 PM
Mar 2020

About a 10 minute wait. Smoozed w/ a couple other Vets working polls. I was too lazy to walk 200 yards to the polling station for 10 days, so I could have just dropped off my ballot but didn't.

WSJ go to hell

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NNadir

(33,569 posts)
21. Murdoch's minions seem upset that Bernie isn't doing better. n/t.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blue-wave

(4,368 posts)
22. Well Duh!!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:41 PM
Mar 2020

Who has benefited the most under Trump? Wall Street and their cronies. I would expect nothing less from the Wall Street Journal. They are trying to sow seeds of division among the Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,334 posts)
23. What a load of bullshit.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:56 PM
Mar 2020

While California tries to get as many people as possible to vote, Other states try to stop people from voting. Write some articles about those states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RDavisJ1

(52 posts)
25. Interesting how Sanders rushed past IA...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:10 PM
Mar 2020

But wants to complain NOW about this in California. Sanders campaign runs on double standards.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
29. "Rigged" is a wrong adjective. "Chaotic" and "inefficient" perhaps
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020

But no candidate was helped or hurt by it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
31. One could argue this hurts Biden more than Sanders.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:04 PM
Mar 2020

It appears same day voters and late mail-in voters are trending towards Biden so if all the ballots were somehow counted immediately with no delays, the result would have been better for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. Exactly right. Also, Sanders and the Media are saying that he won California.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:21 PM
Mar 2020

So, Sanders get the lift from that. In April, if after all votes are counted, Biden is the actual winner, he gets no benefit other than he gets more pledged delegates.

I believe that California should go to a statewide optical scanner ballot system, like Florida, only with better software and monitoring to prevent hackers from attacking the system. Put plenty of polling stations everywhere in the state and have them open from 6am-Midnight, seven days per week over the early voting period, staffed by paid staff and paid part-time staff, if volunteers want to be certified to help out, that can be done to a uniform standard. The polls should be open for two solid weeks before Election Day and of course on Election Day. Voters will have 18 hours to vote for 14 days and the normal hours on Election Day, anyone who doesn't get to vote would have only themselves to blame.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
34. Biden had lower numbers Tuesday night than he has now, Sanders is about the same
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:27 PM
Mar 2020

They base their claim on the ASSUMPTION that the percent Sanders got will increase compared to the election night numbers. As of today, his lead is shrinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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