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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts) Fri Apr 12, 2019, 06:47 PM Apr 2019

Pete Buttigieg Is Fighting, and Winning, a Battle Over Religion With Mike Pence

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pete-buttigieg-is-fighting-and-winning-a-battle-over-religion-with-mike-pence-821535/

The VP says he doesn’t discriminate against anyone. Millions of LGBTQ Americans aren’t likely to agree.

“I don’t have a problem with religion,” Buttigieg said. “I’m religious too. I have a problem with religion being used as a justification to harm people and especially in the LGBTQ community. So many people, even today, feel like they don’t belong.

You can get fired in so many parts of this country just for who you are, and that’s got to change. I’m not interested in feuding with the vice president, but if he wanted to clear this up he could come out today and say he’s changed his mind that it shouldn’t be legal to discriminate against anybody in this country for who they are. That’s all.”

As governor, Pence fought to prevent same-sex couples from obtaining equal parenting rights; supported a measure to ban same-sex marriage in the state; and signed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which allowed business owners to refuse service to potential LGBTQ customers.

His views have carried over into the White House. In January, Pence defended his wife’s decision to take a job teaching at a school that bars LGBTQ students and faculty, calling criticism of their affiliation with the school “deeply offensive.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Pete Buttigieg Is Fighting, and Winning, a Battle Over Religion With Mike Pence (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2019 OP

Crazy for him but don't want it to be his central issue elfin Apr 2019 #1

"media is drawn to the conflict like moths to a flame." marylandblue Apr 2019 #3

Let's hope elfin Apr 2019 #5

I think he understands what to do, and it's so easy, even Trump can do it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #7

I look forward to it. elfin Apr 2019 #9

the groups that tend to be most religious are blacks and hispanics JI7 Apr 2019 #2

Because white Christian liberals aren't very vocal marylandblue Apr 2019 #6

but there ARE the black and Hispanic Christians that I mention JI7 Apr 2019 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #4

Good. I'm not especially a Mayor Pete fan, but NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #10

elfin

(6,262 posts)

1. Crazy for him but don't want it to be his central issue

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:03 PM

Apr 2019

While it is critically important, he has so many thoughtful things to propose that reach a much wider populace, that I hope he doesn't become sidelined due to this "conversation" with pastor Pence.

The media seems to be drawn to the conflict like moths to the flame that incinerates good and smart candidates like Mayor Pete.

It is drawing attention to him and so far working for him. But I think he needs to pivot now to bring more issues to the forefront.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

3. "media is drawn to the conflict like moths to a flame."

Reply to elfin (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:25 PM

Apr 2019

That isn't an accident, he's a media genius. Creating controversy is a PR technique. Controversy sells. Trump used this to great effect in 2016.

Pete gets it. It won't incinerate him, it will carry him higher.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

elfin

(6,262 posts)

5. Let's hope

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:28 PM

Apr 2019

He needs to navigate the tightrope to avoid being a one-issue "fringe" candidate - which he is not, but if the Media anoints him as such ---- not good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

7. I think he understands what to do, and it's so easy, even Trump can do it.

Reply to elfin (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:34 PM

Apr 2019

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Just start another controversy. He's got the college controversy going on too right now. He may come up with some more. He'll ride the media wave as long as he can, then around May, he'll start putting out policies, so he has something to talk about for the first debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

elfin

(6,262 posts)

9. I look forward to it.

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

Apr 2019

Really really like him. Still not sure if he is ready for the"Big Time", coming from such a small pond despite his obvious smarts and wisdom.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

JI7

(89,264 posts)

2. the groups that tend to be most religious are blacks and hispanics

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:45 PM

Apr 2019

in the US and they mostly vote democratic.

it's fuck8ng annoying how the media mostly looks to white bigoted xtians as the representatives of religion in the US.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

6. Because white Christian liberals aren't very vocal

Reply to JI7 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:28 PM

Apr 2019

But looks like Pete's trying to change that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JI7

(89,264 posts)

8. but there ARE the black and Hispanic Christians that I mention

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 09:38 PM

Apr 2019

and they tend to vote democratic.

but the media always goes to the white bigoted right wing xtians when they want to talk about views of religious groups.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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NastyRiffraff

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10. Good. I'm not especially a Mayor Pete fan, but

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

Apr 2019

I'm glad somebody is calling out Pence's fake Christianity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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