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Uncle Joe

(58,405 posts) Sat Apr 13, 2019, 04:43 PM Apr 2019

Nurses Demand Medicare for All

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Nurses Demand Medicare for All (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2019 OP

There will be nothing that can stop the government TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #1

America has the most f'up healthcare system in the world. democratisphere Apr 2019 #2

I agree democratisphere. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #4

Our healthcare system is a joke artislife Apr 2019 #3

These are the same nurses that supported Sanders all along BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #5

These nurses united as supporters of Howard Dean who is quite unlike Bernie Sanders. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #6

I didn't see any nurses' organization or union mentioned. Who are "these nurses"? George II Apr 2019 #7

I had to look it up myself. They are the NNU. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #9

I wonder who ANA will be endorsing next year? They declined to endorse Sanders in the past. George II Apr 2019 #10

This is a campaign ad for Sanders. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #8

My wife is a nurse, as are many of her friends (40+ years of nursing will do that!!)..... George II Apr 2019 #11

Yep, same here. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #12

Hospitals have been reducing their nursing staffs, replacing them with "medical assistants"... George II Apr 2019 #13

The devil is in the details. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #14

All of the nurses I work with despise Sanders BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #15

You should change the title of the OP BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #16

TexasTowelie

(112,387 posts)

1. There will be nothing that can stop the government

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 04:52 PM

Apr 2019

from denying critical care if the cost is too expensive. I also suspect that the government will require pre-approval of certain services much like the private insurance industry does. There isn't a bottomless pit of money to pay for treatment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)

2. America has the most f'up healthcare system in the world.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 04:52 PM

Apr 2019

You've got to have THIS, but don't forget THAT, and you can't have THAT without the OTHER. We're all a bunch of fools and suckers!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Uncle Joe

(58,405 posts)

4. I agree democratisphere.

Reply to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 05:14 PM

Apr 2019

Peace to you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

artislife

(9,497 posts)

3. Our healthcare system is a joke

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 05:13 PM

Apr 2019

I travelled out of state for a wedding. If something had happened, I would have been out of network. That is effed up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

5. These are the same nurses that supported Sanders all along

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 05:48 PM

Apr 2019

A vast majority of mainstream nurses won't support MfA because it will reduce their pay and increase their work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)

6. These nurses united as supporters of Howard Dean who is quite unlike Bernie Sanders.

Reply to BlueFlorida (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 05:56 PM

Apr 2019

There is no reason to assume that universal health coveage would reduce nurses pay or increase their work. You might examine the beliefs that underlie these assumptions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

7. I didn't see any nurses' organization or union mentioned. Who are "these nurses"?

Reply to hedda_foil (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:20 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)

9. I had to look it up myself. They are the NNU.

Reply to George II (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:28 PM

Apr 2019

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/global-nurses-united-press-clips

Seems like a good group with a quick run through. One link leads to a meeting with the Sanders Institute.

About them

National Nurses United, with more than 150,000 members nationwide, is the largest union and professional association of registered nurses in U.S. history.

NNU was founded in 2009 unifying three of the most active, progressive organizations in the U.S.—and the major voices of unionized nurses—in the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, United American Nurses, and Massachusetts Nurses Association.

Combining the unparalleled record of accomplishments for nurses and patients embodied in the proud history of those nurses associations, which for some span more than 100 years, the establishment of NNU brought to life the dream of a powerful, national movement of direct care RNs.

At its founding convention in December, 2009, NNU adopted a call for action premised on the principles intended to counter the national assault by the healthcare industry on patient care conditions and standards for nurses, and to promote a unified vision of collective action for nurses with campaigns to:

Advance the interests of direct care nurses and patients across the U.S.
Organize all direct care RNs "into a single organization capable of exercising influence over the healthcare industry, governments, and employers."
Promote effective collective bargaining representation to all NNU affiliates to promote the economic and professional interests of all direct care RNs.
Expand the voice of direct care RNs and patients in public policy, including the enactment of safe nurse to patient ratios and patient advocacy rights in Congress and every state.
Win "healthcare justice, accessible, quality healthcare for all, as a human right."

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/about

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

10. I wonder who ANA will be endorsing next year? They declined to endorse Sanders in the past.

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:36 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)

8. This is a campaign ad for Sanders.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:21 PM

Apr 2019

No links to who these nurses are. I had to do the research for your tweet post, they are the NNU.

BS: Quote

Medicare For All would give power back to health professionals, where it belongs.

How so? How does that work? Does he have any details?

PS. Many, many nurses in my family. None are calling for MfA.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

11. My wife is a nurse, as are many of her friends (40+ years of nursing will do that!!).....

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:38 PM

Apr 2019

Neither she nor any of her friends give much credence to "Medicare for All" without a lot more details, like how it will be administered and how it will be funded.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)

12. Yep, same here.

Reply to George II (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:52 PM

Apr 2019

Also there is a huge nursing shortage as the old ones like my sister are retiring. As your wife knows they don't bother to train the young ones to replace their elders.

Also we voted on this last year. It failed because admin did not want it. Very mixed views.

Will patient limits help nurses but hurt hospitals?

SPRINGFIELD – Proponents and opponents of a bill limiting the number of patients per nurse seem to agree on only two things: The quality of patient care in Illinois is a concern, and the nursing shortage is real.

Beyond that is much disagreement on a legislative push to put Illinois alone with California as the only states to set nurse-patient limits.

https://www.commercial-news.com/news/local_news/will-patient-limits-help-nurses-but-hurt-hospitals/article_df5433a0-bef5-5fb2-8638-fb39324c1d93.html

My sister worked in ICU and the number of patients per nurse is limited. However elsewhere in the hospital it is not. Overburdening a nurse means less quality care. I wonder if MfA addresses these issues.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

13. Hospitals have been reducing their nursing staffs, replacing them with "medical assistants"...

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 06:56 PM

Apr 2019

or "physician assistants" - cheaper than nurses.

I fear that it will be a long time before we find out if Medicare for All will address this, those are the little details that get glossed over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)

14. The devil is in the details.

Reply to George II (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 07:04 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

15. All of the nurses I work with despise Sanders

Reply to George II (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 07:20 PM

Apr 2019

They think his half-baked health care plans would cause chaos, lower pay for health care workers causing shortages and then less care at lower quality for everyone.

They prefer Medicare for America of "Medicare for those who want it."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

16. You should change the title of the OP

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2019, 07:22 PM

Apr 2019

to say "Sanders' supporter nurses" instead of just "nurses"

You are deceptively implying that ALL nurses are favoring MfA. I don't think Sanders supporters want to deceive the public right? Or do they?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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