Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders wants incarcerated people to vote. Here's why he's right.
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Disenfranchising people is a form of civil death stripping live people of civil rights, almost as if they had died, just because theyve been convicted of a crime. Certain rights have been restored in some states for prisoners, making their conditions more like a civil vegetative state; the right to marry, the right to free speech, the right to access the court and the right to religious freedom have been granted, sometimes under court order and occasionally with exceptions. The most basic right in a democracy though and the one that could bring them back to civil life is the right to vote, and it remains elusive for prisoners in 48 states (as well as for many formerly incarcerated people in 35 states).
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And, the U.S. Census Bureau already counts inmates as potential voters in the districts in which their prisons stand (though not in their hometowns), even when they cant vote. This practice of prison gerrymandering has attracted some attention recently because, as advocates like the Prison Policy Initiative have argued, it violates the one person-one vote rule by artificially expanding the populations of prison-adjacent towns where prisoners won't live after release, and thus artificially undercounting their home districts.
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Underfunding, ultimately, caused all of these deaths; no one wanted to pay for air conditioning in Texas, and violence explodes into cracks in prison staffing because correction officer vacancies are reaching untenable levels in many states. Saving their lives isnt a question of ability; its a question of priority.
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Elected officials are the people who can solve these problems. And if this level of regular violence and death beset almost any other population and certainly a majority white population politicians would have spent money to stop it already. But, in part because incarcerated people lack political power, many politicians have deemed them expendable.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/bernie-sanders-wants-incarcerated-people-vote-here-s-why-he-ncna993476
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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dogman
(6,073 posts)Keeping the poor from the polls.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....about his own state shipping 20-25% of their prisoners to private prisons down south.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doreen
(11,686 posts)to be allowed to vote as long as they aren't murderers, rapests, child molesters, and people who scam people out of their money. Oh yeah, people have been charged with animal abuse as they are much more likely to do the same to humans if they have not done so already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,250 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doreen
(11,686 posts)sure but I know damn well if a rapist or child molester got to vote they would vote for making sentences for those crimes much more lenient. I see Devos type of laws coming in to favor the rapist and child molester. I see all of those people we have been fighting to have to pay for stealing thousands and millions getting off easy ( think trumps just put in jail for not long enough old administration guys.)
People who do small time robbery usually do it because of their living situation and lack of finances and I think I could handle them getting to vote as they would more likely vote to better the help to get trained for work and/or get other needed help. I think people who had been arrested for drug use would be more likely to vote for laws that would help them recover and improve their life. I think even though someone might have died that someone who was driving intoxicated should be allowed to vote as they would more than likely vote for issues to offer people help with their problem with intoxication of whatever drug it was that caused them to do that. It might had been a stupid decision but the result was unintentional. Perhaps if a person has commited a violent crime but due to a drug problem and had never done so while not on drugs then getting them help and they would tend to vote for programs that help people.
Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right, and maybe I am both but for some people they would vote against what we need to help others and each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I guess it would have to go on the particular circumstances of the fraud. This particular issue is not as easy as it may seem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)That being said, I can't say I'm too wild about the idea of murderers and child molesters being allowed to vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)the prisoners humanity so much as our own.
That's what shapes our society and prisoners; are still inextricably tied to us, even those that we would like to forget tucked away in solitary confinement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)A prisoner doesn't enjoy 100% free will--s/he is at the mercy of those in charge. I can imagine scenarios in which they're told to vote this or that way to get a decent dinner or to avoid solitary confinement.
Or, maybe it would just be North Carolina style fraud where ballots are filled out on behalf of the prisoners without their knowledge.
Unless outside parties are allowed to come in and guarantee that the process is fair, I don't think it's a good idea. It could easily turn into another GOP fraud operation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)prisoners are actually allowed in televised debates.
Can you imagine that!
It was a stunning political debate that would be hard to imagine in Britain. But it was not so shocking in Norway, where a general election is taking place on Monday.
The topic was crime policy and so far so normal it featured a panel of politicians discussing the best ways to reduce crime. But the live TV show was set inside a high security prison, the audience consisted exclusively of guards and prisoners, with one inmate, Bjørnar Dahl, taking part in the panel alongside the justice minister and the deputy leader of the main opposition party.
"It was high time the politicians came here to talk about crime policy," explains Dahl, 43, a few days after the event. "This is about us, what happens in prisons and how we can return to society in a way that is beneficial to everyone."
Dahl, who is serving a five-year sentence for complicity in smuggling amphetamines, stole the show. When the representative from the populist Progress party, Per Sandberg, argued that there was an increase in criminality in Norway caused by gangs of Eastern Europeans organising beggars in the streets of Oslo, Dahl dismissed him as talking "crap" and asked him whether he had any knowledge of the situations the beggars were coming from.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/sep/10/norway-prisons-tv-election-debate
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WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I think it is pretty simply. They should have to register using the address of the City Council or something similar in the precinct they lived when they were were arrested. They should receive an absentee ballot from that precinct.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Opponents questioned why lawmakers would consider extending voting rights for criminals, especially those convicted of violent crimes.
Under current New Mexico law, people convicted of felonies are removed from the voting rolls and prohibited from voting again until after they have completed their sentence, probation or parole.
The legislation proposed by Rep. Gail Chasey, an Albuquerque Democrat, had its first hearing before the House State Government & Indian Affairs Committee, which plans to vote on the measure at an upcoming meeting.
https://www.lcsun-news.com/story/news/local/new-mexico/legislature/2019/01/23/bill-legislation-restore-voting-rights-felons-while-incarcerated-parole/2661960002/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden