Democratic Primaries

lapucelle

(18,265 posts) Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:14 AM Apr 2019

BS campaign claims that CAP is the corporate establishment

Is calling CAP the corporate establishment an attack or an idea?

May 16, 2018

Let me thank CAP for the opportunity to join you today, and for all the important work that you have done over the years in terms of developing sensible economic, social, racial and environmental policies.

April 10, 2019

Bernie Sanders is a millionaire
The one-percenter hopes no one notices that he's moved up in the world.

April 13, 2019

“This counterproductive negative campaigning needs to stop,” Mr. Sanders wrote to the boards of the Center for American Progress and its sister group, the Center for American Progress Action Fund. “The Democratic primary must be a campaign of ideas, not of bad-faith smears. Please help play a constructive role in the effort to defeat Donald Trump.”

April 14, 2019

Just like that, our campaign is under attack from the corporate establishment.
This week, an organization that is the epitome of the political establishment — the Center for American Progress (CAP) — unleashed and promoted an online attack video against Bernie.

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Make a donation to our campaign today as a way of saying you have had ENOUGH of deep-pocketed organizations working to defeat our progressive agenda. Every single donation sends a critical message.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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BS campaign claims that CAP is the corporate establishment (Original Post) lapucelle Apr 2019 OP

"This week, an organization that is the epitome of the political establishment.." Cha Apr 2019 #1

Messy pol'tics empedocles Apr 2019 #2

.. cwydro Apr 2019 #15

Thanks, cwydro! Cha Apr 2019 #18

I guess back last May CAP didn't have any rich donors Cha Apr 2019 #3

"unleashed and promoted an online attack video against Bernie" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #4

A legitimate critique is not an "attack". Name-calling is. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #6

Here. You be the judge. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #16

He was with them before he was against them BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #5

He was with them before they* were against him. Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #28

CAP made a political ad? BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #29

He doesn't seem to take criticism well mcar Apr 2019 #7

This is just more proof that he needs a prop to continue the R B Garr Apr 2019 #8

No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Apr 2019 #9

But, oh yes they are, Sam Stein.. Cha Apr 2019 #13

The vetting is long overdue. comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #14

Hey Sam Stein.. instead of "showing they're not Cha Apr 2019 #24

I stopped visiting their website at ThinkProgress some time ago as much too centrist for my tastes pecosbob Apr 2019 #10

My take as well. shanny Apr 2019 #26

+++ vsrazdem Apr 2019 #27

I imagine Bernie gazing at a photo of Hillary while humming "Memories." betsuni Apr 2019 #11

lol.. or not.. Cha Apr 2019 #12

When the "lesser of two evils" is the most popular one at the party. betsuni Apr 2019 #22

And, the most Beloved! Cha Apr 2019 #23

.. Cha Apr 2019 #21

I agree with Krugman, some people in both media and politics have learned nothing. betsuni Apr 2019 #25

And yet he was happy to give a speech for them in May 2018. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #17

Paul Krugman gets it exactly right.. Cha Apr 2019 #20

The smearing of CAP and @neeratanden is really something to behold, because it suggests that some.. Cha Apr 2019 #19

It would be stupidly funny if Bern's campaign staff Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #30

Cha

(297,274 posts)

1. "This week, an organization that is the epitome of the political establishment.."

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:17 AM

Apr 2019

uh huh, BS..

Link to tweet

Accuse "Establishment" much?

Mahalo, lapucelle!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

empedocles

(15,751 posts)

2. Messy pol'tics

Reply to Cha (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:28 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

cwydro

(51,308 posts)

15. ..

Reply to Cha (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:53 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

18. Thanks, cwydro!

Reply to cwydro (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:57 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

3. I guess back last May CAP didn't have any rich donors

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:51 AM

Apr 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)

4. "unleashed and promoted an online attack video against Bernie"

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

Apr 2019

Honest question. Did they? If true than Sanders is counter punching - not unusual behavior during a campaign season (nor are attack videos now that I think of it).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)

6. A legitimate critique is not an "attack". Name-calling is. N/T

Reply to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:52 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

16. Here. You be the judge.

Reply to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:58 PM

Apr 2019

Legitimate? Sure, if it came from republicans

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

5. He was with them before he was against them

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:18 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

28. He was with them before they* were against him.

Reply to BlueFlorida (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:16 AM

Apr 2019

They made a political ad attacking him? That warrants some backlash, no?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

29. CAP made a political ad?

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:58 AM

Apr 2019

I didn't know CAP was running for POTUS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mcar

(42,334 posts)

7. He doesn't seem to take criticism well

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:10 PM

Apr 2019

Now some of his followers are smearing CAP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)

8. This is just more proof that he needs a prop to continue the

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:46 AM

Apr 2019

Establishment-is-out-to-get-me cynicism and fabrications. Yesterday, CNN did a segment about how he was going full out for Trump supporters. This is tiring and counter-productive to our party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)

9. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:57 PM

Apr 2019

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted

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Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had gone—as one operative put it—”nuclear” over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being “like a gnat buzzing around your ear,” one which should not have distracted from the candidate’s Midwest tour.

It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.

“When you’re leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day,” said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. “An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isn’t actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.”

I am glad that sanders is being vetted

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

13. But, oh yes they are, Sam Stein..

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:18 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

comradebillyboy

(10,151 posts)

14. The vetting is long overdue.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:08 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

24. Hey Sam Stein.. instead of "showing they're not

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

Apr 2019

f*c*ing around".. they showed this..

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)

10. I stopped visiting their website at ThinkProgress some time ago as much too centrist for my tastes

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:37 PM

Apr 2019

Not committed to any particular candidate, but I found many of the opinions expressed there to be too supportive of debunked trickle down BS and the disfunctional status quo in general. To me they seem to represent the old-shool, behind closed doors, wheel and deal, Rahm Emanuel type of Democratic politics I abhor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

shanny

(6,709 posts)

26. My take as well.

Reply to pecosbob (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

Apr 2019

Plus they are secretive about their donors...never a good sign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)

27. +++

Reply to pecosbob (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:59 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

betsuni

(25,535 posts)

11. I imagine Bernie gazing at a photo of Hillary while humming "Memories."

Reply to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:00 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

12. lol.. or not..

Reply to betsuni (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:17 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,535 posts)

22. When the "lesser of two evils" is the most popular one at the party.

Reply to Cha (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:26 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

23. And, the most Beloved!

Reply to betsuni (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

Apr 2019

Well Done, betsuni!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,274 posts)

21. ..

Reply to betsuni (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:10 PM

Apr 2019

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,535 posts)

25. I agree with Krugman, some people in both media and politics have learned nothing.

Reply to Cha (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:47 PM

Apr 2019

It's like the Democratic Party is everybody's enemy, it keeps getting repeated over and over and nobody does their homework.

The base is left thinking: