Democratic Primaries
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WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Wasn't she a Stein supporter?
I see she hasn't changed one bit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Three of Sanders' top echelon staffers opposed Clinton and voted for Jill Stein.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,219 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JHan
(10,173 posts)Around 2015. I suppose she couldn't get enough rank on the Clinton campaign so joined up with Bernie.
Seems anyone who points out a flaw in Sanders' policies is destined to be demonized and not engaged with. His people went after urban institute as well, which even I found shocking.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Remember when Planned Parenthood was deemed "establishment" by Sanders?
This kind of shit is toxic.
Can't wait for him and his campaign people to get off the 2020 stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,185 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....the last thing she should be doing is fixing others' headlines and/or speech.
Did anyone catch her a week or so ago speaking about "red people and yellow people"? Psst, Nina, this is 2019!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,149 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Easy-peasy. Maybe throw a life-preserver to Turner. Because no one is buying the spin this time out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)What's up with that, BS?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)If you take the "@" out of the url.. the link works!
https://medium.com/SenSanders/breaking-up-the-oligarchy-603bc0d47264
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,195 posts)people to top positions that voted for Jill Stein
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Im not sure who the Sanders campaign wants to attract. Its certainly not me - a mid-40s gay man and feminist with views as liberal and progressive as they come.
And its actions like smearing a liberal think tank that cause me to move even further away.
If the end game is to win, I dont understand how his strategy is going to achieve that. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)The Center for American Progress is an organization whose massive annual budget is bankrolled by billionaires and corporate executives that profit from finance, pharmaceutical companies, fossil fuels, and sending American jobs overseas.
Last year alone, they took funding from financial giants like Bank of America and Blackstone, whose CEO was chair of Trump's business council and is a leading Republican donor.
Before that, they cashed checks from companies like BlueCross Blue Shield, Pfizer, WalMart, and defense contractors like General Dynamics and BAE Systems.
They also took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the fossil fuel pumping United Arab Emirates while the country was bombing innocent civilians in Yemen a war Bernie has led the fight to end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,333 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Doesn't mean he supports them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Im a cord cutter so I dont get Fox News.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Sadly Faux viewers vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
It sure sounds like he supported CAP when he spoke to them. He congratulated them on the important work they do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Is he going to thank Fox for all of their hard work? I don't think so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)How about getting out the vote. Is it effective at that?
I should have added to my original post, I dont understand why target them as opposed to the real enemy.
But after reading your post, digging a little deeper on the org, and getting a more rounded picture, it becomes clear why the Bernie camp is targeting it: it is indeed effective at mobilizing people locally. It is effective at getting liberal ideas into the mainstream. And, the attack temporarily shifts the spotlight over Bernie.
Its like children gathering around a schoolyard fight. The media will cover one liberal slugging another. Thats attention-grabbing. In this case, it was a cheap shot that inflamed more people than it attracted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Who are they working for? Why are they in the circular firing squad Obama warned about?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)and fundraising campaign that is using coverage of his broadside to bringing in contributions.
You dont get to take a shot in the firing squad and then paint yourself as some kind of virtuous victim. It doesnt work like that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)1. Think Progress is an independent entity, editorial independent.
2. If CAP/ThinkProgress wants to criticize Bernie, so what? It's their right to do it, just as the Justice Dems critique everyone who doesn't like Bernie.
My opinion is that this is nothing but a fund-raising scheme targeting his base.
Those not in that group think it looks petty and oh so sensitive to criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)They don't criticize people that don't like Bernie. They are targeting Democrats who vote with the gop. Who is CAP/TP representing? Are they just representing their donors?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,149 posts)is labeled a neoliberal or a corporate Democrat or establishment something or other. Those terms have been so abused as to be devoid of meaning. And any criticism is dismissed without looking at its merit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Corporate shills just doing what their paid to do. What are the merits of their attacks on left leaning candidates?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Neoliberal? Drink!
A Bernie drinking game would get a person drunk in no time flat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,149 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Good answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)We are reliable and progressive dem voters. Driving us away by attacking imperfect institutions is a short term strategy that will come back to haunt us in the general.
Buzzwords start to become ridiculous when they're the thrust of a post. If you think declaring something as neoliberal is somehow meaningful (a "merit," in your parlance), you are sadly mistaken.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)I'm sorry I just don't believe corporations are people too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)combined with a false dilemma.
A twofer!
And CAP didn't write the piece - ThinkProgress did. But how could his campaign possibly trash ThinkProgress, of all orgs, as being non-progressive? WAIT.... CAP is connected to them!! They have no editorial say over what ThinkProgress writes, but it's a much better candidate for demonizing. Just scrub the glowing speech that he made at their conference last May, and send out the fundraising emails. No one will question Bernie when he says CAP, that CORPORATE SHILL!!! is behind this "attack," not progressive, pro-Bernie ThinkProgress.
But the internet never forgets.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Politicub
(12,165 posts)If you call me out for something I did not say like you are attempting with this line in the sand jazz, Im not going to bother with bantering with you.
Peace Out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)What does it even mean? I guess whatever those who throw the word around want it to mean.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aidbo
(2,328 posts)..whether it is being used properly.
One definition from Britannica.com: https://www.britannica.com/topic/neoliberalism
By the definition above, it has been the dominant ideology in the US for at least the last half-century so it might be something you want to familiarize yourself with.
Or just tune-out. Its your choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's my choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"ThinkProgress ― a website associated with though editorially independent from CAP ― as evidence of the think tanks animosity toward him and other progressive candidates in the race."
I seriously doubt Bernie was going to have much credibility (or raise much $$ from progressives) going after ThinkProgress as "a corporate shill" so he had to point to.... CAP, who didn't say anything about him.
Do you think that Bernie's campaign took the transcript of his speech at their conference off his facebook page, so that his supporters might not find that he himself was at their conference praising them?
And what of Justice Democrats, who have been attacking Democrats all over the country now for awhile now? Doesn't that make them corporate shills?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)then it would concern me.
But thats not who they are. Its an established organization that reliably supports dems. It doesnt mean theyre perfect. It doesnt mean they are evil for calling out dems that do not share in the organizations mission.
I dont have a purity test. People and organizations are imperfect.
And do you know what? There is room in the Democratic Party for people who hold left, center and moderate viewpoints. We dont need a purity test. CAP doesnt support Bernie. Who really cares other than people who bristle at any criticism?
The optics of what Bernie did are shit. Before someone says, But, Politicub, Bernie is above optics because he says what he means. So unfiltered. Refreshing like a sip of water drawn from an artesian well in the springtime, heres what my response will be:
He better get to caring. We have an election to win. And to do that is going to take more than liberals at the voting booth. Our candidate needs to be adept at building a coalition. See Obama for an example of masterful coalition building. It was a winning strategy. Look to Stacey Abrams for another Democrat who is masterful at coalition building.
You see, I love being a Democrat. Our party is a crazy quilt sewn from all sorts of people. Diversity is our strength. It doesnt mean I dont get frustrated at moderates. I do at times. Purists can be a drag, too, but cest la vie. We need all hands on deck to crush the GOP.
Thats why this broadside by Bernie is short-sighted. He needs their votes just as other candidates need the votes from people whose top choice didnt make it through the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Puzzling how these people keep getting hired by Bernie's campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)You really "fixed" the shit out of that didn't you, nina?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,275 posts)Link to tweet
Now he has gone into full attack-and-destroy mode, targeting in a vitriolic letter the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that has advanced, for example, a health-care plan that expands Medicare but is distinct from the Sanders Medicare-for-all plan, and CAP Action Fund, CAPs political arm.....
Whats the reason for his letter? One can surmise its about working the refs, trying to intimidate others from criticizing his ideas or him. Sanderss effort is downright bizarre, when you think about it. Imagine if Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) railed at the New York Times editorial page, demanding more praise, or if Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) demanded the Nation be more friendly. A Democratic veteran of many campaigns (not associated with CAP) observes, This is disgracefully Trumpian, as Sanders desperately tries to create a fake controversy to change the subject on the eve of the release of his tax returns. If he cant take some accurate, fairly lighthearted ribbing from a progressive source, hes proving that hed be incapable of weathering the general election hurricane that Trump would unleash.....
We already have a president who cant take the rough and tumble of politics and wants to silence critics. I find it hard to imagine that Democrats want someone who might be just as touchy and intolerant of criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,249 posts)post of Prof Tribe's Tweet on another thread.
Which I'm sure you've noticed by now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)You hear that, Nina?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden