Democratic Primaries

pnwmom

(108,978 posts) Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:25 PM Apr 2019

It's past 5 pm, EDT. Is Bernie still a little bit busy

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:26 PM - Edit history (2)

or has he finally released the 10 years of tax returns he promised BEFORE today?

Also, why is 2019 the 10th year? The tenth year of what? The tenth year since something he didn't want to release? Otherwise, why couldn't 2018 have been the 10th year? Or 2017? Or 2016? All of them would have been excellent years for releasing ten years of tax returns. The mystery deepens.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-millionaire-net-worth-taxes.html

WASHINGTON — Senator Bernie Sanders, whose $18 million fund-raising haul has solidified his status as a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said Tuesday that he would release 10 years of tax returns by Tax Day on Monday and acknowledged that he has joined the ranks of the millionaires he has denounced for years.

“April 15 is coming,” Mr. Sanders, whose refusal to release his full past returns has become an issue in the campaign, said in an interview in his office. “We wanted to release 10 years of tax returns. April 15, 2019, will be the 10th year, so I think you will see them.”

Told that he was being compared to President Trump, who has refused to release his tax returns, Mr. Sanders got more specific: “On the day in the very immediate future, certainly before April 15, we release ours, I hope that Donald Trump will do exactly the same. We are going to release 10 years of our tax returns, and we hope that on that day Donald Trump will do the same.”

ON EDIT:

HE HAS FINALLY RELEASED THEM:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128769798

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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It's past 5 pm, EDT. Is Bernie still a little bit busy (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2019 OP

Someone start the countdown clock!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #1

He's already missed his self-proclaimed deadline of "certainly before April 15." pnwmom Apr 2019 #4

What's the BFD?! Is twenty-four hours REALLY going to make a difference?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #8

Or Never Me. Apr 2019 #10

NEVER?!?! Oh okay... you're wrong, as usual, I see. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #13

OMG...You Mean He Released it? Me. Apr 2019 #35

Do you EVER get tired of being wrong?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #44

It's already a few years since he first promised to release multiple years of returns. pnwmom Apr 2019 #19

Maybe later today...?? Perhaps, or Perhaps Not?......no text Stuart G Apr 2019 #2

trickling out. here is his 2014 Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #3

That trickled out in May 2016. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #5

And "trickled" is the right word for it n/t NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #41

Part of his 2014. KitSileya Apr 2019 #6

Ah. If he doesn't release them by tomorrow, I will be changing my support to Warren. There is no Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #7

I look at tax returns as part of my job. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #22

Why do you think he promised to release several years in 2016 and never did, and now pnwmom Apr 2019 #32

they have been released Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #46

Why the snark? Gore1FL Apr 2019 #9

So We Shouldn't Believe Promises Made A Week Ago? Me. Apr 2019 #11

Is it April 16th yet? Gore1FL Apr 2019 #16

He's already broken his promise to release them pnwmom Apr 2019 #21

Will Do Me. Apr 2019 #37

Do you think he will release 2016? NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #12

I am not a soothsayer. Gore1FL Apr 2019 #17

I was kidding. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #18

Seriously!! It's like a PUMA redux, only worse because it's Bernie involved. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #14

The skepticism is because he promised in 2016 to release several years of tax returns pnwmom Apr 2019 #20

Have patience please BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #15

I believe you. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #26

Someone hypothesized that the attack on CAP was timed so that he could avoid it KitSileya Apr 2019 #23

That would be a good question to ask him. Let us know what he says. nt yaesu Apr 2019 #24

A valid question in regards to candidates making promises... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #25

Ah yes!!! LakeArenal Apr 2019 #28

Write a book and become a Millionaire.... sarcasmo Apr 2019 #27

Maybe he should keep a date book LakeArenal Apr 2019 #30

He can't slither his way out of this one. Many people took him at his word. ecstatic Apr 2019 #29

The crank handle on his zerox machine fell off and busted. Again. sprinkleeninow Apr 2019 #31

He didn't say business hours! WeekiWater Apr 2019 #33

If we think charitably, perhaps he'll use them to clobber Trump for not releasing his KitSileya Apr 2019 #34

I think that would also be a benefit. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #36

What is he afraid of in their contents? n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #38

The people conducting the town hall haven't seen them. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #39

I agree he's savvy. Why didn't he release them during the many times since he announced pnwmom Apr 2019 #42

He was going to but he had to put out that fire in Paris... comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #40

He is NOT releasing 2019 -- He can't over half of 2019 has not yet happened! karynnj Apr 2019 #43

He said that April 2019 would be the date, because that would be the 10th year. pnwmom Apr 2019 #45

Are you serious? karynnj Apr 2019 #47

Before you made this comment, I had added a link with the taxes to my OP, so your post is obsolete. pnwmom Apr 2019 #48

If he did 2007 to 2017, you would say why not now? karynnj Apr 2019 #49

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

1. Someone start the countdown clock!!

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:26 PM

Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

4. He's already missed his self-proclaimed deadline of "certainly before April 15."

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:29 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

8. What's the BFD?! Is twenty-four hours REALLY going to make a difference?!

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:36 PM

Apr 2019

Just relax... Bernie will release his boring tax returns when he releases his tax returns, whether it's today, tomorrow, or the next day. And, then, all will be right with the world again. Then, people can go on bashing Bernie for some other inane reason.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Me.

(35,454 posts)

10. Or Never

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:38 PM

Apr 2019

Guess we can't take him at his word

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

13. NEVER?!?! Oh okay... you're wrong, as usual, I see.

Reply to Me. (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:41 PM

Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Me.

(35,454 posts)

35. OMG...You Mean He Released it?

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:16 PM

Apr 2019

Wait...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

44. Do you EVER get tired of being wrong?!?!

Reply to Me. (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:17 PM

Apr 2019

Guess you're just going to have to find something else to bash Bernie over!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

19. It's already a few years since he first promised to release multiple years of returns.

Reply to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:58 PM

Apr 2019

And after asking for two extensions on his 2016 FEC filings, he never filed them at all, arguing that he didn't have to because he wasn't running anymore.

So you should understand why people are skeptical.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)

2. Maybe later today...?? Perhaps, or Perhaps Not?......no text

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:27 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

3. trickling out. here is his 2014

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:28 PM

Apr 2019

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2804313-Bernie-Sanders-Just-Released-His-Tax-Returns.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

5. That trickled out in May 2016. n/t

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:30 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)

41. And "trickled" is the right word for it n/t

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:56 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

6. Part of his 2014.

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:32 PM

Apr 2019

There's absolutely no reason to think his and Ms. Sanders' tax returns for that year are any shorter than Senator Klobuchar's of the same year. Hers was 68 pages, so the 7 pages he begrudgingly published after being shamed for only releasing two pages initially are very unlikely the whole 2014 tax return.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

7. Ah. If he doesn't release them by tomorrow, I will be changing my support to Warren. There is no

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:35 PM

Apr 2019

reason he shouldn't have released them by now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)

22. I look at tax returns as part of my job.

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

Apr 2019

Tax returns are not “68 pages” unless you include a bunch of nonsense work sheets and cover pages from your accountant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

32. Why do you think he promised to release several years in 2016 and never did, and now

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:03 PM

Apr 2019

he promised to release 10 years BEFORE today and still hasn't?

If they're so simple?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)

46. they have been released

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:26 PM

Apr 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-tax-returns-release-2020/index.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)

9. Why the snark?

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:36 PM

Apr 2019

Something that hasn't passed it's deadline not happening yet is not really what the April 9th article was about.

It's time to stop fighting 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Me.

(35,454 posts)

11. So We Shouldn't Believe Promises Made A Week Ago?

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:39 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)

16. Is it April 16th yet?

Reply to Me. (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:49 PM

Apr 2019

Criticize him then if he doesn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

21. He's already broken his promise to release them

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:02 PM

Apr 2019

"certainly before April 15."

It's already past "before April 15."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Me.

(35,454 posts)

37. Will Do

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:17 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

12. Do you think he will release 2016? NT

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:39 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)

17. I am not a soothsayer.

Reply to WeekiWater (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:50 PM

Apr 2019

I'll tell you what he releases after he releases them if you ask again then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

18. I was kidding.

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:53 PM

Apr 2019

Always loved the word "soothsayer."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)

14. Seriously!! It's like a PUMA redux, only worse because it's Bernie involved.

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:45 PM

Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

20. The skepticism is because he promised in 2016 to release several years of tax returns

Reply to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:00 PM

Apr 2019

but said he was a little bit busy, and only released 7 pages of a single return from 2014.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)

15. Have patience please

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:48 PM

Apr 2019

Summaries of returns are being prepared to obfuscate the actual data into neat palatable tables.

Those summaries will be released "soon" and will be touted as Sanders releasing his full, undoctored returnsand we'll hear "look! he DID release his returns."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)

26. I believe you.

Reply to BlueFlorida (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:58 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

23. Someone hypothesized that the attack on CAP was timed so that he could avoid it

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:25 PM

Apr 2019

Link to tweet

I hope that's not it, and that he's rather waiting until he's on Fox News this evening, so that he can use his release to hit back at Trump as effectively as Senators Klobuchar and Harris have already done on this issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

yaesu

(8,020 posts)

24. That would be a good question to ask him. Let us know what he says. nt

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:44 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

25. A valid question in regards to candidates making promises...

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:57 PM

Apr 2019

...yet an unfair question (and unseemly in tone) in regards to sacred cows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)

28. Ah yes!!!

Reply to LanternWaste (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)

27. Write a book and become a Millionaire....

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)

30. Maybe he should keep a date book

Reply to sarcasmo (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:00 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ecstatic

(32,705 posts)

29. He can't slither his way out of this one. Many people took him at his word.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:00 PM

Apr 2019

Including me. No more lies, delays, or excuses. Release them today or get out of our primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)

31. The crank handle on his zerox machine fell off and busted. Again.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:02 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

33. He didn't say business hours!

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:08 PM

Apr 2019

I imagine they will be released minutes before his Fox interview so the interview doesn’t become about their contents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

34. If we think charitably, perhaps he'll use them to clobber Trump for not releasing his

Reply to WeekiWater (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:12 PM

Apr 2019

Senators Klobuchar and Harris have already done that with theirs, and Senator Sanders might be planning to follow their excellent example.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

36. I think that would also be a benefit.

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:17 PM

Apr 2019

They wouldn’t be able to question him on their content and he could use them to slap Trump around a bit. Though his supporters really don’t care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

38. What is he afraid of in their contents? n/t

Reply to WeekiWater (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:20 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)

39. The people conducting the town hall haven't seen them.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:28 PM

Apr 2019

I’m sure that very few people have. I don’t think I put emphasis on negative or positive. Just that Sanders won’t give them time to analyze them before hand. He is a savvy career politician. He will get to say he has released them and then be able to control or respond to the contents tomorrow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

42. I agree he's savvy. Why didn't he release them during the many times since he announced

Reply to WeekiWater (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:10 PM

Apr 2019

when a lot of press attention was going to Trump?

Why didn't he release multiple years in 2016, as he promised? Why was it like pulling teeth to get even that single 2104 return out of him (and at first, only 2 pages.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

comradebillyboy

(10,151 posts)

40. He was going to but he had to put out that fire in Paris...

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

karynnj

(59,503 posts)

43. He is NOT releasing 2019 -- He can't over half of 2019 has not yet happened!

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:16 PM

Apr 2019

I think he should have released more than just 2014 in 2016. However, if he is releasing 10 years ending in 2018, the first one would be 2009. If he does release all of them today, the only questions should be what is in them.

It is silly to speculate that he chose 10 years ending with 2018 because there was a problem before that. (It would include the period after 2012 when Jane Sanders left Burlington College)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

45. He said that April 2019 would be the date, because that would be the 10th year.

Reply to karynnj (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:25 PM

Apr 2019

So the question is: the 10th year of what?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

karynnj

(59,503 posts)

47. Are you serious?

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:28 PM

Apr 2019

He obviously would have meant the taxes FILED in 2019. 2019 taxes cannot possibly be released now - as the year is not even finished. By the way, CNN has a link that he released them - so your thread is obsolete.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)

48. Before you made this comment, I had added a link with the taxes to my OP, so your post is obsolete.

Reply to karynnj (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:39 PM

Apr 2019

Also, it doesn't address my point.

Why did he arbitrarily decide that the 10 year period had to be from 2008 - 2018 -- and not 2007 - 2017?

He could have released 10 years at any point from when he first started running in 2015, but didn't, for some reason.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

karynnj

(59,503 posts)

49. If he did 2007 to 2017, you would say why not now?

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:52 PM

Apr 2019

Ten years itself is arbitrary, but the standard that most candidates are choosing to use.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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