I stand corrected

Thanks, "Me" for showing the route along the high road here at DU.

Some time next summer, we are all going to have to rally around a candidate, and every one of us being open to correction when warranted will help us along the way.

k&r,

-app

And in 2016, he promised to release multiple years and only released one, under duress.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-millionaire-net-worth-taxes.html

WASHINGTON — Senator Bernie Sanders, whose $18 million fund-raising haul has solidified his status as a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said Tuesday that he would release 10 years of tax returns by Tax Day on Monday and acknowledged that he has joined the ranks of the millionaires he has denounced for years.

“April 15 is coming,” Mr. Sanders, whose refusal to release his full past returns has become an issue in the campaign, said in an interview in his office. “We wanted to release 10 years of tax returns. April 15, 2019, will be the 10th year, so I think you will see them.”

Told that he was being compared to President Trump, who has refused to release his tax returns, Mr. Sanders got more specific: “On the day in the very immediate future, certainly before April 15, we release ours, I hope that Donald Trump will do exactly the same. We are going to release 10 years of our tax returns, and we hope that on that day Donald Trump will do the same.”

Right....

And I noticed you failed to bold this out...

certainly before April 15, we release ours, I hope that Donald Trump will do exactly the same.

Yesterday and all the preceding days would have been "before" April 15th. "By" would have been correct. "Before" was not.

English is Bernie's first language. He knows the difference between his prepositions.

he released them.... keep flogging that dead horse...

bought $444,000 worth of Bernie-authored books. So I guess that's one way to become a best selling author.

they were SUCKERS! Especially the lingual gymnastics they went through to try and make a point!

Many here, in HUNDREDS of posts on DOZENS of threads, pushed the false fact that Bernie failed disclose any of his tax returns, when IN FACT, he DID disclose his 2014 tax return... and when this false fact was pointed out and refuted time and time again, it was nonetheless repeated... then, another false fact was concocted over and over again that the submission of Bernie's 2014 tax return information constituted only a SUMMARY PAGE, and, thus, did not include the detailed contents of the return... and when this false fact was also pointed out and refuted repeatedly... you can guess... right! It just went on and on and on.

I can cite you an abundance of other false facts that have been spread about Bernie on a whole host of other subjects... but, if this doesn't convince you, nothing will!!

Anyway, I hope this clarifies things for you. Now watch as those who refuse to acknowledge ANYTHING positive about Bernie twist themselves into pretzels, and try changing the subject, in an attempt to splain away those false facts. Go back and read the threads for yourself if you don't believe me!!


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not true. I don't recall such a claim, but I certainly don't claim to read all DU posts.

But, as to your second example, while it is true that Bernie eventually disclosed his full 2014 return, he did so only after about 9 months of constant criticism for filing only a summary. And, until today, that was the full extent of his dislosure of his taxes, despite repeated promises. Those are the facts.

example after example of what I'm referring to. My apologies for questioning whether you were being serious... it just seems so patently obvious the false facts being spread about Bernie.


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being manufactured and spread about Bernie. But, just so you know, in defeating those false facts, I acknowledged that Bernie initially filed a 2014 summary tax form, and happily do so again for your satisfaction... because that is an actual fact.

Why would anyone deny something that is so easily refuted? And yet, so many do when it comes to bashing Bernie. Now, if you want to help correct other false facts being leveled against him, that would be most welcome!!



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where you acknowledged this as it certainly does not appear in post #49 of this thread and that is the post to which I responded.

you had me goin'...good one!! The laughs on me!!

You know I didn't say I acknowledged IN MY POST #49 that Bernie initially filed a 2014 summary tax form. As I said in my prior post (#59), that acknowledgement was made "IN DEFEATING THOSE FALSE FACTS," which then, obviously, appeared in the dozens of threads I referenced.

That, of course, is why I ADDED the phrase "I HAPPILY DO SO AGAIN," in that prior post, to satisfy your request for that acknowledgment, even though it had NOTHING to do with the false facts we were discussing.

But, then, you already knew that... and nothing I say will apparently satisfy you. That's okay, I now know better.


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poster repeatedly references "dozens" and even "hundreds" of others' posts to support his claims and then, somehow, just never manages to cite to an actual post, even when challenged, some begin to doubt that poster's reliability and judgment. And, inevitably, some will extend that doubt to the candidate this person is urging everyone to support.

Such posts do not, to my understanding, violate our TOS, but, IMO, they do violate the spirit of this forum and they may color the way some view your favorite, Mr. Sanders.

So, just keep changing the subject from that of the false facts being spread about Bernie... can't say I blame you. Talk about damaging a preferred candidate's case!!


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trying to argue with a dining room table .

You're just not worth it and I am far from alone in that opinion.

I'm done. "Please proceed."

We can't "Negatively call out" posters, which would include linking to a post in a negative context such as this conversation. I've been caught in the same trap, where we can't actually back up claims without breaking the TOS. It's a bit of a Sophie's Choice: Prove accuracy and get hidden for breaking TOS, or be unable to back up your own claim and gain legitimacy.

Anyways, just figured I'd throw that in there. Carry on at your leisure.

....(commonly referred to as "summary pages" )

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276545-sanders-camp-releases-2014-federal-tax-return

Then when pressed grudgingly released five more pages.

However, even to this day that still is not the complete tax return, nor are some of the others released yesterday.

BTW, it's interesting that the contents of the original link to Sanders' 2014 Form 1040 in that The Hill article was changed a couple of years ago and now goes directly to his "contribute" page. Clever.

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf

The poster specifically asked for examples of false facts that were spread about Bernie... so I gave him those examples of false facts spread about Bernie. Your attempting to change the subject won't change the examples I gave of false facts that were spread about Bernie... they're still false facts spread about Bernie. I'm sure you got my point the first time... but, please go ahead and feel free to change the subject again to a different tax subject that won't change the false facts spread about Bernie.


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started with Thin Progress two days ago.

IMO 10 years is appropriate.

I said Bernie would release all his returns together in one batch, upon filing for the 2018 tax year... just as I predicted, which, of course, wouldn't be good enough for some.

Now, in the interest of full transparency, all candidates need to release the transcripts of all public and/or private speeches they've given, whether paid or unpaid, prior to the first debate.


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Time to look over them.

You can't make this shit up.

Would be nice though if the decisiveness would end here... it's time to UNITE and focus on defeating the peeResident!!


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dust up that's all the rage in the Democratic Primaries tab.

Hey, at least Bernie is honest enough to declare it as income!!

(Do I really need the sarcasm sign?!)


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Apparently all the really suspicious stuff happened in 2008..

So the new thing is "why just ten years? that is very very suspicious.. why not eleven..etc"

Glad to see that he FINALLY kept his promise of "soon" (how many years ago was that?)

Still... this kind of unnecessary delay and game playing isn't the type of behavior that gives me much confidence in him as being an effective "leader of the free world" or executive.

Looking at all the other choices we have, I'm know for a fact that we can do better than BS. All I'm saying is that the other candidates are better and stronger than he is. Everyone knows it.

trump 2020...

but he is leading in the latest polls...

That is demonstrably false. Bernie fans repeating it over and over again will not make it true.

but releasing them is not the story. What they may contain is the story. I am no tax expert, so I will leave that to the experts.

But just opening a random few, I did notice two things:

1. I wish the pages on which they were signed and dated were appended. Are these revised forms or originally filed? Who is the accountant who signed them? Etc.

2. A little thing popped out to me, looking at 2012 and 2014. Numbers reported for 2012 for "unreimbursed meal expenses" were $8,946 (of which you can claim 50%). That's quite a bit, but I figure, he's a senator: he probably has to take a lot of business meetings and entertain people, etc. But then I noticed that the unreimbursed meal expenses for 2014 were ... the same $8,946. What's that about? Is he on the meal plan? Maybe there's an explanation: maybe senators get to claim the food they eat while in Washington as unreimbursed expenses. I'd be surprised, because that's their job, and you don't get to take your daily meals while on your principal job as expenses, or at least the rest of us don't. Only when you have to travel or take people to dinner over business. But it would be unusual to spend the exact same amount, to the penny, in two different years.

Just wondering. Don't really care all that much. Again, I await the experts on such matters.

about little things that popped out to you... not that your point is unfounded. My point is we could nitpick these tax returns all day long... but, for what purpose?! This only contributes to devisiveness.


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Do you ever call on your candidate to end the divisiveness he sows by criticizing Democratic institutions? (He did so, again, the other day.)

Instead of doing some research or responding to my comments, you just pull the old "question the poster's motives" ploy and then ring the "divisiveness" bell. In other words, you ignore my comments and tell me to shut up, essentially. You might just try ignoring posters' criticisms, because responses like this really just tend to alienate them further. So, so tired of it.

Thank you for confirming as much with your non-response response.

BTW, no one is telling you to "shut up" per your accusation... to the contrary, I gave you props by stating quite clearly: "not that your point is unfounded." Yes, you raised a fair point... but, were you being "fair" by applying the same standard and critically examining, in such minutiae, any other candidate's tax returns? Of course you didn't... applying strict standards that only Bernie has to live up to is about as divisive as it gets.


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Ok- so now this is out there.

He’s raised the most money from the most different people.

He’s released ten years of Taxes.

He’s released multiple campaign position papers and proposals.

Would the media PLEASE just treat him as any other leading top-tier candidate for President?

I don’t think they are treating him unfairly at this time.

to seriously wonder.

SIT is limited to 10K, along with the loss of interest on home equity lines of credit, plus the personal exemption.

Those who will be most likely affected by those changes are those who live in blue states with high property and SIT, and will most likely be the middle class.

Those that gain the most will be highly profitable corporations who will get a 20% cut off those taxes, and increase our deficit without providing much benefit to the citizenry

As for Sanders returns it is pretty blue plate

I would love to see the occupant in the WH returns though

Link to tweet

and when it does, it doesn't do it well

He doesn’t list a tax preparer.

He did them HIMSELF.

That’s something!

why he didn't do this in 2016. It's only a big deal, because he made it a big deal. Just like Trump.

had he done this in 2016, it would not even be an issue. How many candidates have their tax returns scrutinized? So much smoke is created by the refusal to disclose, who wouldn't look for a fire?

There was nothing outstanding to worry about.

Dems and independents who want to be dems should have nothing to hide. Score one for the party for transparency.

they had to fix some things?

No way the party could efficiently attack Trump on this issue if its candidates didn't release. The party has been fighting for Trump's tax return for over a week, and missing tax returns on our side weakens the congressional dems on this issue. So far as I know, the four women senators and some other candidates have all released 10+ tax returns, now we need to work on the others. Mayor Buttigieg, where are your returns? Rep. Gabbard?