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Related: About this forumHow The Russian Social Media Effort Boosted Bernie
below article from 2018
The allegations are laid out in a recent charges by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
The 37-page indictment handed down last month includes dozens of allegations that Russians stole Americans' identities and created fake Facebook and Twitter accounts that worked as internet trolls designed to sow discord in the campaign.
And part of the effort was designed to assist Sanders, the special counsel said.
The indictment quotes a specific order given to the covert campaign to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump we support them)."
Sanders, a potential leading contender in the 2020 presidential contest, has tried to minimize the Russian meddling on his behalf.
The two-front cyber war included hacks and leaks of Democratic Party emails, including those by John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman.
https://www.vpr.org/post/how-russian-social-media-effort-boosted-bernie#stream/0
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)like hiring as his National Press Secretary in 2020 a former editor of The Intercept (of all places) who publicly announced her support for Jill Stein in 2016.
And he could have done more to stop the Hillary hate that was swirling around his campaign, IMO. For one thing, he could have conceded months before the convention, rather than allowing thousands of his supporters to protest there, hoping against hope they could get enough delegates to change their minds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Absolutely!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,112 posts)they saw the trolls descend on every one of their websites, and did nothing. i remember seeing his social media director talking about it, and they knew. they traced the trolls, saw where they were coming from, and did nothing.
and they saw what they were posting. and they saw how many of their followers were useful idiots.
if he was really a leader, he would have faced it head on.
if he was the one to pick up the pieces at this point in history, he would have at least tried to solve this.
but i see no sign that he is even trying to prevent it this time.
no, yeah, i blame him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)And also, I believe Bernie missed a lot of Senate votes on sanctioning Russia.
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BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)I guess were all supposed to just not think about it, or something.
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Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Buff Bernie
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)Now he has two people at the top of his campaign who were Jill Stein supporters. This makes me sick!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:16 AM - Edit history (1)
2016 General Election ...
Co-Chairman: Nina Turner - Jill Stein voter
National Press Secretary: Briahna Joy Gray - Jill Stein voter
Campaign Speechwriter: David Sirota - Jill Stein voter
Top campaign adviser: Cornell West - Jill Stein voter
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Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Sanders' choice of staffers and their 2016 histories make the howls about replaying the last campaign a very weak stance.
Deja vu all over again. It is what it is, only this time we have a heads up, a 'fool me once' sort of thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I remember rabid tRump supporters in 2016 as they exhibited a strange enthusiasm during the primaries for the Sander's campaign. It actually struck me as very, very strange at the time and almost seems like many of them were aware of the connections in this Machiavellian plot.
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PDittie
(8,322 posts)Mueller didn't consider these an act of war. Almost treasonous, in fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)but Hillary was my only choice so I voted for Hillary.
I AM ANTI WALL STREET.
If both Hillary and Bernie were on the ticket I would have
voted for Hillary.
The GOP is all Wall Street. I am UNION. I am a veteran
of Viet Nam. I would never vote GOP!!!
Hillary took our Democrats in the wrong direction. But I
voted for her!!!
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Neoma
(10,039 posts)I still stand by my support of Bernie in the 2016 election. I think his stances aligned by my stances a lot more than Hillary's did. Tax the rich, Medicare for all, free public college, etc.
But the Russians absolutely capitalized the divide and drove as much of a wedge between Hillary and Bernie supporters as possible. Right now we need to start healing our party, realize who put the wedge there and become mobilized to beat Trump.
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David__77
(23,418 posts)And Im glad I subsequently voted for Clinton.
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Gothmog
(145,288 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)all on our own.
After Warren's speech about who built the roads, who educated the workers, I listened to mainstream media to see her interviews. I got to know Bernie by his trying to get her to run. They did several interviews on issues they were working on in congress together. I started to really like him. I thought he pushed just that much further and wouldn't it be great if he ran. But this country isn't ready for him. Warren never would run and then he jumped in, to keep those issues. I didn't believe he could win, but I sure hoped he would.
I don't twitter, instagram, snapchat or pintrist. Now, I am barely on FB. But all those FB friends of Bernie I made and have remained active. I saw the skinniest snowman ever made from one guy's kid in Austin. I cried when another found her birth family after years of trying to find them. I have friends of friends now in Denver because of another one. NONE of them folded up tent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
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oasis
(49,388 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)swept under the rug like some are trying to do.
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aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Most of the time we expected this kind of trolling from Koch or Mercer funding and the big revelation of 2016 was that Russia was at he heart of it, but that doesn't mean it won't continue from within the US.
False, shaded, or even true info framed divisively will happen. Its always happened, but social media is the superhighway of influence.
Remember, the Russians mostly exploited existing divisions -- not create new ones out of thin air.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
artislife
(9,497 posts)to forget how many elections the US infiltrated. Maybe this is just karma.
Like all those European colonizers getting a huge flux of immigrants. karma.
We reap what we sow.
Not saying that the media influence isn't bad. But I think there is a lot of varied media sh*t going on from all sides.
We are humans, after all and our shared history says we do sh*tty things a lot for power.
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BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)I believe Susie Surandon has also rung that bell as has Vladimir Putin on more than one occasion.
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artislife
(9,497 posts)Adios.
I prefer tofu.
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BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin/index.html
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BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)I had forgotten about that one.
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lapucelle
(18,265 posts)It's the funniest thing I've read all day.
TAKE THAT, Mr. Liver!
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BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)As far as getting told to go to hell on this board that was one of the more friendly exchanges. Ive been called worse.
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JI7
(89,250 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)post.
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https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin/index.html
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George II
(67,782 posts)....Russian interference and chalk it up to "karma"?
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mcar
(42,333 posts)cause we did bad stuff too?
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I am just saying that karma may be in play.
But filter it as you will.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,288 posts)Russia really did its best to help sanders
Link to tweet
Internal IRA documents referred to support for the Trump campaign and opposition to candidate Clinton, according to the report. While much of this section of the report is redacted, it cites directions to IRA operators not to harm Sanders.
Main idea: Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary [Clinton] and the rest (except Sanders and Trump we support them), quotes the report.....
While Sanders had said in a previous radio interview that one of his campaign workers figured out what was going on and alerted Clinton campaign officials, his 2016 campaign manager Jeff Weaver told The Post in a recent interview for the story that Sanders misspoke a little bit and conflated a few of the facts. .?.?. He did not know, I did not know, none of us knew that Russia was behind the efforts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,253 posts)under
How The Russian Social Media Effort Boosted Bernie
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jalan48
(13,869 posts)"apologize" for anything.
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Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,112 posts)if he is the great white hope, he better be able to handle some trolls.
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jalan48
(13,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mopinko
(70,112 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mopinko
(70,112 posts)i saw them w my own eyes.
go ahead and laugh it up.
i not only saw the trolls, i saw what they posted, how many useful idiots jumped on the bandwagon. and even how many of them split off from du because of how ugly it got.
you might want to walk that path again, but i dont. we best get ready, cuz there's gonna be some serious push.
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jalan48
(13,869 posts)internet these days trying to push their agenda.
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betsuni
(25,532 posts)'Bernie Bros' tweeted at Hillary supporters that she was a 'lying ****-bag' and in supporting her their 'vaginas are making terrible choices.' They harassed supporters at rallies, and unleashed special fury at female reporters. Sarah Jeong of Vice had to shut down her Twitter account after being flooded with sexist attacks, simply because she had asked Sanders supporters to tone down their rhetoric. Janell Ross of The Washington Post was inundated with 'a variety of curse words and insults typically reserved for women. More than one has suggested that I deserve to become the victim of a sex crime.'
"Sanders himself, probably not wishing to alienate his fiercest supporters, was uncharacteristically mild in his response to the increasingly violent, misogynistic outbursts. 'Senator Sanders is committed to running a positive campaign on the issues, and we encourage all his supporters to stick to that same message,' Hector Sigala, Sanders's digital media director, told Mashable. ... Bernie pretty much let his 'Bros' do whatever they wanted. He claimed that he couldn't -- and shouldn't -- try to control what his supporters thought, but that, of course, was disingenuous nonsense. He knew he had tremendous influence, particularly with his younger fans, and exploited it throughout his campaign. But he never criticized the misogyny in their attacks on Clinton."
Susan Bordo
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pnwmom
(108,978 posts)attacking Hillary Clinton."
Too bad they didn't take their concerns to the Clinton campaign or to the FBI.
https://www.vpr.org/post/sen-bernie-sanders-russia-we-knew-what-we-knew-when-we-knew-it?_ga=2.202720786.2004122569.1555920891-313237303.1555441518#stream/0
(Finally, in September a Bernie campaign volunteer, acting on his own, told someone connected with a Clinton super-pac about the strange activity, but the word didn't get to Hillary because the super-pac wasn't allowed to contact her.)
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)Making of the President ... 1960
Humphrey supporters not thrilled with Kennedy
Kennedy people HATED LBJ
1968 ... Kennedy, Eugene McCarty, Humphrey ... need I say more?
1980 ... Kennedy hated Carter
1992 Jerry brown hated Clinton and started the entire anti-Clinton campaign that lasts through this day
2000 gore and Bradley
2008 Clinton and Obama
Sometimes you need a healthy debate. This year we have some great debaters, and I dont see grudge matches amongst the candidates ... amongst the voters, maybe, but not the candidates
I think our display of riches in the debates will put the Repugs to shame.
Signed, Pollyanna
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Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)them in this one. And then go on to pound Putin.
I'm hoping very much that Sanders' role will be at most a forgettable answer to a quiz question in freshman American history a decade from now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)sitting with Konstantin Kilimnik and Paul Manafort turns my stomach. I voted Bernie in the last primary, then Clinton. I regret the Bernie vote and feel betrayed. Never again.
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden