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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:56 PM Apr 2019

All About Pete (long read from Current Affairs, digging into Buttigieg's book)

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete?fbclid=IwAR2Plk4IZ_l57XR7UPfhCNgbWZwtP14_e_okR_L62Oe5cdF1bhZgsoXOjR8

Before I dive into Shortest Way Home’s account of the life and career of Peter Buttigieg, let me be up front about my bias. I don’t trust former McKinsey consultants. I don’t trust military intelligence officers. And I don’t trust the type of people likely to appear on “40 under 40” lists, the valedictorian-to-Harvard-to-Rhodes-Scholarship types who populate the American elite. I don’t trust people who get flattering reams of newspaper profiles and are pitched as the Next Big Thing That You Must Pay Attention To, and I don’t trust wunderkinds who become successful too early. Why? Because I am somewhat cynical about the United States meritocracy. Few people amass these kind of résumés if they are the type to openly challenge authority. Noam Chomsky says that the factors predicting success in our “meritocracy” are a “combination of greed, cynicism, obsequiousness and subordination, lack of curiosity and independence of mind, [and] self-serving disregard for others.” So when journalists see “Harvard” and think “impressive,” I see it and think “uh-oh.”

I try my best to be fair, though. I thought former Michigan gubernatorial candidate Abdul El-Sayed was suspect because of his shiny résumé. But after examining his proposals and listening to his speeches, I realized he was the real deal. He had done well in school, but he was genuinely outraged by preventable human misery, talked openly about taking on corporate oligarchy, and had bold plans for revolutionizing health care, environmental policy, and just about everything else. I have lots of friends who are the products of elite institutions, but became critical of those institutions after being exposed to their inner workings. If Pete Buttigieg is one of those, great!

Pete Buttigieg is not one of those.


I stumbled upon this article on Twitter, where the news that Buttegieg was on the Stop and Shop picket line was getting pushback from those saying he hasn't really supported labor in the past, and in fact hasn't really taken a stand on much of anything, because he hasn't had to.
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All About Pete (long read from Current Affairs, digging into Buttigieg's book) (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 OP
In short, I do not agree with the article. Jarqui Apr 2019 #1
That's fair! And it's long enough that there are definitely criticisms I don't agree with. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #2
What the article says about books is good. EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #5
I'd be happy to discuss a bit. EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #6
He sure is upfront about his multiple biases..........and that's all you really need to know. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2019 #3
The part about him referring to Harvard protestors for Janitor living wage as "social justice... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #4
Contrast with Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #7
 

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
1. In short, I do not agree with the article.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:05 PM
Apr 2019

Don't have time to get into it today.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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2. That's fair! And it's long enough that there are definitely criticisms I don't agree with.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:06 PM
Apr 2019

OTOH, it helped me put words to some vague impressions I've had, and will be something I continue to take into consideration as I assess all the candidates.

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EndGOPPropaganda

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5. What the article says about books is good.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:16 PM
Apr 2019

I liked the article.

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EndGOPPropaganda

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6. I'd be happy to discuss a bit.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:19 PM
Apr 2019

The lines in the book about working on optimizing one’s resume ring a bit true to me. To be fair, this is what we taught young people to do over last few decades.
But I enjoy people like Warren or Sherrod Brown who have worked tirelessly on major progressive issues for decades.

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CaliforniaPeggy

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3. He sure is upfront about his multiple biases..........and that's all you really need to know.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:59 PM
Apr 2019

He has these categories, and surprise, surprise, Pete fits neatly into each one.

Therefore, bingo, Pete should not be allowed to become President.

This author has not looked closely at the man himself. I doubt that he's watched any videos where Pete's been asked questions about the topics that matter to us. I doubt that he's really listened to what Pete's had to say.

Nathan J. Robinson does not know Pete at all, and his ideas about Pete are completely misguided. And WRONG.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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4. The part about him referring to Harvard protestors for Janitor living wage as "social justice...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:13 PM
Apr 2019

.... warriors” is a bit disturbing and disappointing.


Perhaps just an oversight, though every time I’ve passed through Harvard Square it has been my signature impression. But there was soon something even more disquieting. Talking about politics on campus, Buttigieg says:

In April 2001, a student group called the Progressive Student Labor Movement took over the offices of the university’s president, demanding a living wage for Harvard janitors and food workers. That spring, a daily diversion on the way to class was to see which national figure—Cornel West or Ted Kennedy one day, John Kerry or Robert Reich another—had turned up in the Yard to encourage the protesters.

Striding past the protesters and the politicians addressing them, on my way to a “Pizza and Politics” session with a journalist like Matt Bai or a governor like Howard Dean, I did not guess that the students poised to have the greatest near-term impact were not the social justice warriors at the protests […] but a few mostly apolitical geeks who were quietly at work in Kirkland House [Zuckerberg et al.]

I find this short passage very weird. See the way Buttigieg thinks here. He dismisses student labor activists with the right-wing pejorative “social justice warriors.” But more importantly, to this day it hasn’t even entered his mind that he could have joined the PSLM in the fight for a living wage. Activists are an alien species, one he “strides past” to go to “Pizza & Politics” sessions with governors and New York Times journalists. He didn’t consider, and still hasn’t considered, the moral quandary that should come with being a student at an elite school that doesn’t pay its janitors a living wage. (In fact, years later Harvard was still refusing to pay its workers decently.)
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Hassin Bin Sober

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7. Contrast with
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:26 PM
Apr 2019
where he became involved with the campus chapter of CORE shortly after transferring from Brooklyn College in 1961. During Sanders’ first year in Chicago, a group of apartment-hunting white and black students had discovered that off-campus buildings owned by the university were refusing to rent to black students, in violation of the school’s policies. CORE organized a 15-day sit-in at the administration building, which Sanders helped lead. (James Farmer, who co-founded CORE and had been a Freedom Rider with Lewis, came to the University of Chicago that winter to praise the activists’ work.) The protest ended when George Beadle, the university’s president, agreed to form a commission to study the school’s housing policies.

Sanders was one of two students from CORE appointed to the commission, which included the neighborhood’s alderman and state representative, in addition to members of the administration. But not long afterward, Sanders blew up at the administration, accusing Beadle of reneging on his promise and refusing to answer questions from students on its integration plan. In an open letter in the student newspaper, the Chicago Maroon, Sanders vented about the double-cross:


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/bernie-sanders-core-university-chicago/
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