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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:38 PM Apr 2019

Why not Warren? She runs rings around Bernie Sanders.

Of the Town Halls I've seen so far, I think I've been most impressed by Elizabeth Warren. Her sunny, positive, earnest, and caring personality is matched by nuanced thinking and a firm grasp on numerical and legislative details. Her views are just as progressive as Bernies (while being stronger in gun control) -- but her agile thinking and ability to get along with others makes her more likely to accomplish her goals. What has Bernie ever accomplished that was as substantial as the Consumer Protection agency?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/23/why-not-warren/?utm_term=.71a01ee683d6

The most progressive wing of the Democratic Party is represented by two candidates: One is younger than President Trump, cheerful, doesn’t have the “socialist” label and has a zillion policy ideas. The other is five years older than Trump, prickly and humorless, has the socialist label and embraces the most extreme positions many in his party reject (e.g. allowing incarcerated mass murderers to vote). So far — to my ongoing amazement — Democratic primary voters tell pollsters they want the grouchy socialist, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), not Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the cheerful policy wonk who declares she’s a capitalist, albeit one who recognizes that the system is “rigged."

We should remember that early polling might simply reflect Sanders’s name recognition, but nevertheless, it is not as if Warren is an unknown quantity. By virtually any measure, she’s a more accomplished and more electable choice, yet it’s Sanders who remains in the top tier of candidates. As Warren showed Monday night at a CNN town hall, she’s obviously the candidate with the most detailed, specific policies — and the one most capable of explaining detailed plans. She also manages to be less frightening — but bolder — than Sanders.

As to boldness, Sanders swore off pushing impeachment hearings now. Warren gave this impassioned plea:

SNIP

Whatever you think of impeachment, that’s as good an answer as a candidate can give to a Democratic audience. It helps, of course, that she has actually read the whole thing (“if you’ve actually read the Mueller report, it’s all laid out there. It’s not like it’s going to take a long time to figure this out. It’s there. It’s got the footnotes. It’s got the points. It connects directly to the law”). With specifics she is able to make her case quite compelling: “He told the White House counsel to go fire Mueller, and then told the White House counsel to go lie about having told the White House counsel to go fire Mueller, and then told the White House counsel to write a letter saying that Donald Trump had not told him to go fire Mueller, and then to say, ‘Why on Earth would you take notes about what I said to you? The lawyers I deal with never put anything in writing.’” When she puts it that way, it’s hard to see how Sanders or other more cautious Democrats will explain their reticence.

Specificity is an asset in the policy realm as well. Warren has a fleshed-out plan and has a way to pay for it. “What we have to do as a country is roll back that debt. And so, I have two parts to the proposal,” she said. “Part one is that we say that we’re going to roll back student loan debt for about 95 percent of students who have debt.” She continued, "And part two is to make sure that we never get in this mess again on student loan debt and that is to make college universally available with free tuition and fees, and to put more money into Pell grants so that students of color, so that our poorest students have real access to college and that we put real money into our historically black colleges and universities. " She’s explicit about how to pay for it, without demonizing the rich:

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Why not Warren? She runs rings around Bernie Sanders. (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2019 OP
I also really like Senator Warren Gothmog Apr 2019 #1
Glad to see we actually agree on something!! Elizabeth is AWESOME!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #36
If I had to pick a candidate now, it would be Warren jberryhill Apr 2019 #2
I'm holding off, too. But she's definitely in my top tier. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #5
Elizabeth is definitely in my TOP, top tier!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #37
The predictable slagging of Jennifer Rubin in 3...2...1... The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3
I don't know is she's any of the things in this ridiculous straw man of yours melman Apr 2019 #7
That doesn't mean she's wrong. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #12
I think it kind of does melman Apr 2019 #14
She's bad because she likes Elizabeth Warren? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #15
She wants someone to beat trump radical noodle Apr 2019 #20
Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!!! George II Apr 2019 #19
I love this sentence so much that I had to highlight it. And now I have questions. Politicub Apr 2019 #39
Credentialed elitist is a minor subspecies of bourgeois traitor to the proletariat, I think. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #42
Thanks. That clears things up. Politicub Apr 2019 #43
LOL still_one Jun 2019 #51
Elizabeth Warren would Cha Apr 2019 #4
There would likely have been no BS in 2016 if Elizabeth had run. we can do it Apr 2019 #6
I really wanted Warren to run in 2016, she was my top choice then. ms liberty Apr 2019 #16
Me too, but integrity means something. we can do it Apr 2019 #17
Elizabeth ABSOLUTELY would have broken the glass ceiling... no doubt in my mind! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #38
"As to boldness, Sanders swore off pushing impeachment hearings now." melman Apr 2019 #8
Rubin isn't necessarily agreeing with it. She's comparing EW to BS, and saying pnwmom Apr 2019 #10
She also has well articulated policy positions and, as someone said this morning.... George II Apr 2019 #21
Warren is s coalition builder and wants to accomplish things. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #9
Nailed it. we can do it Apr 2019 #18
Pfftt- cooperation is only for the unimaginative Politicub Apr 2019 #40
A lot of people want a prickly extremist, so they go for Sanders. marylandblue Apr 2019 #11
The people who are attracted to trump's (fake) tough guy persona will be jg10003 Apr 2019 #13
I agree. She runs rings, But... zentrum Apr 2019 #22
Nate Silver has a theory.... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #23
Horseshit, Nate. My first vote was for Carter... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #27
Perfect analysis! nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #30
Ezra Klein on the difference.. Cha Apr 2019 #44
They always say it's about policy and it isn't. betsuni Apr 2019 #46
I like the policies she has come out with so far- she's my second choice. Luciferous Apr 2019 #24
She is impressive, experienced & is tough when she needs to be but states her positions yaesu Apr 2019 #25
She's my current number 2. hay rick Apr 2019 #26
She's in my top tier. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #28
Everyone runs rings around BS BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #29
My 2nd post after daily lurking for years... 2bestill Apr 2019 #31
Warren is not my first choice but i like her nini Apr 2019 #32
I didn't like her to start with, but I've grown to like her. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #33
I like Warren but I think her instincts are awful and she would lose Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #34
We need Warren's economic policies in this new Gilded Age sop Apr 2019 #35
I have about four first choices and Warren is on that list Politicub Apr 2019 #41
Here's Ezra Klein on the differnce between BS Cha Apr 2019 #45
Absolutely still_one Jun 2019 #52
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Jun 2019 #56
EW is very viable. I think the thing that puts Bernie out ahead with many folks... aikoaiko Apr 2019 #47
Remember the old trope: comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #48
Warren leapfrogs Sanders in a new pair of 2020 polls Gothmog Jun 2019 #49
someone's extra grouchy today. Must be Warren passing him in the polls Gothmog Jun 2019 #50
Elizabeth won True Blue American Jun 2019 #53
She has the very nerve to think that she's more qualified than any man to be POTUS ehrnst Jun 2019 #54
Why Not Me. Jun 2019 #55
 

Gothmog

(145,489 posts)
1. I also really like Senator Warren
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:39 PM
Apr 2019

She is high on my list of candidates who I might support.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
36. Glad to see we actually agree on something!! Elizabeth is AWESOME!!
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:05 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. If I had to pick a candidate now, it would be Warren
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:43 PM
Apr 2019

But I really don't expect to make a decision until next January.
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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
5. I'm holding off, too. But she's definitely in my top tier. n/t
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:47 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
37. Elizabeth is definitely in my TOP, top tier!!
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:06 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
3. The predictable slagging of Jennifer Rubin in 3...2...1...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019

I agree with her 100% (yes, I know she's a running dog lackey of capitalist imperialism, a bourgeois traitor to the proletariat, and a counterrevolutionary reactionary industrialist, so we can get that out of the way). Warren doesn't yell; she explains. We don't need Bernie because we have her.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
7. I don't know is she's any of the things in this ridiculous straw man of yours
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:57 PM
Apr 2019

But she is most certainly a Republican.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
12. That doesn't mean she's wrong.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:50 PM
Apr 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
14. I think it kind of does
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:06 PM
Apr 2019

Why is a lifelong Republican like Jennifer Rubin someone to listen to on what makes a good Democratic candidate?

She's not. But even if it doesn't it mean she's wrong it does bring her motives into question. At the very least.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
15. She's bad because she likes Elizabeth Warren?
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:07 PM
Apr 2019
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radical noodle

(8,012 posts)
20. She wants someone to beat trump
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:36 PM
Apr 2019

She's been disgusted by trump from the beginning.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!!!
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:34 PM
Apr 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
39. I love this sentence so much that I had to highlight it. And now I have questions.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:16 PM
Apr 2019
I know she's a running dog lackey of capitalist imperialism, a bourgeois traitor to the proletariat, and a counterrevolutionary reactionary industrialist, so we can get that out of the way


I have only one question: is she part of the credentialed elitism scourge? I have no idea what that is, but Buttigieg apparently cravenly flaunts it according to a campaign surrogate on Twitter. Please set my mind at ease.
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
42. Credentialed elitist is a minor subspecies of bourgeois traitor to the proletariat, I think.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:50 PM
Apr 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
43. Thanks. That clears things up.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:55 PM
Apr 2019
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Cha

(297,543 posts)
4. Elizabeth Warren would
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019

exponentially make a better POTUS.

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we can do it

(12,190 posts)
6. There would likely have been no BS in 2016 if Elizabeth had run.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:50 PM
Apr 2019

But she kept her word to her constituents.

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ms liberty

(8,593 posts)
16. I really wanted Warren to run in 2016, she was my top choice then.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019
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we can do it

(12,190 posts)
17. Me too, but integrity means something.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:25 PM
Apr 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
38. Elizabeth ABSOLUTELY would have broken the glass ceiling... no doubt in my mind!
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:10 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
8. "As to boldness, Sanders swore off pushing impeachment hearings now."
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:20 PM
Apr 2019

Funny. it seems like it was just this morning Rubin was saying that was the right thing to do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/23/we-shouldnt-put-all-our-cards/?utm_term=.3e09564a3103


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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
10. Rubin isn't necessarily agreeing with it. She's comparing EW to BS, and saying
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:31 PM
Apr 2019

EW's being more bold on this issue.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. She also has well articulated policy positions and, as someone said this morning....
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:36 PM
Apr 2019

....she presents in advance how any of her proposals would be paid.

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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
9. Warren is s coalition builder and wants to accomplish things.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:23 PM
Apr 2019

That won’t win over a certain segment.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
40. Pfftt- cooperation is only for the unimaginative
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:19 PM
Apr 2019

Or something like that, because reasons.

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. A lot of people want a prickly extremist, so they go for Sanders.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:36 PM
Apr 2019

This is not a knock on Sanders or his voters.. They probably believe that our highly partisan times require an uncompromising SOB. I don't agree with that, but I see their point.

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jg10003

(976 posts)
13. The people who are attracted to trump's (fake) tough guy persona will be
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 06:59 PM
Apr 2019

attracted to Bernie's (real) tough old man from Brooklyn personality.

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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
22. I agree. She runs rings, But...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:57 PM
Apr 2019

.....I don't think that enough white men are ready to vote for a woman for President. Just can't risk it. Have to beat Trump. Very upsetting that it's not evolved enough yet. She'd be one of our greatest Presidents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
23. Nate Silver has a theory....
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:57 PM
Apr 2019

which I agree with.


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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
27. Horseshit, Nate. My first vote was for Carter...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:07 PM
Apr 2019

and then every Democratic presidential candidate since. I voted for Sanders in the primary then Hillary in the GE.

People are losing their fucking minds over Bernie, with increasingly desperate analysis.

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Undecided
 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
30. Perfect analysis! nt
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:16 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,543 posts)
44. Ezra Klein on the difference..
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:57 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,598 posts)
46. They always say it's about policy and it isn't.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:20 PM
Apr 2019

Variation of a conversation seen many times on Twitter:

A: I want candidates who can fix things, not ones who want to "blow up the system."

B: Oh, so you're defending the status quo. You want to preserve Citizens United? The filibuster? Voter restrictions? Mass incarceration? The for-profit health insurance industry? It's all about policy. I would never consider anyone who isn't for Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, and a wealth tax.

A: My candidate has spoken extensively about universal health care, climate change and income inequality. You know, none of Bernie's ideas are new or unique to him. Infrastructure, climate change and health care were very important to President Obama, just for starters. Why did Bernie supporters swear they'd vote for Elizabeth Warren if she ran in 2016 but now that she is they're saying she's too much like Hillary Clinton? Did her positions change between then and now?

B: (Personal insult implying A is an idiot and Democrats are centrist Wall St. puppets, etc.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Luciferous

(6,084 posts)
24. I like the policies she has come out with so far- she's my second choice.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 07:59 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
25. She is impressive, experienced & is tough when she needs to be but states her positions
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:00 PM
Apr 2019

in a calm, knowledgeable way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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hay rick

(7,636 posts)
26. She's my current number 2.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:03 PM
Apr 2019

I supported Bernie last go round. My nominal first pick now is Inslee- because he wants to make climate change our number one issue. If and when he fails to gain traction I expect to switch to Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
29. Everyone runs rings around BS
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:14 PM
Apr 2019

His campaign is built on 60's ideas and the stump speech that has been memorized by the populace. It is no longer exciting and the lack of policy details behind the slogans and platitudes are palpable.

All the front tier candidates are pretty much ignoring BS like he is not running.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

2bestill

(13 posts)
31. My 2nd post after daily lurking for years...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:27 PM
Apr 2019

I have only ruled out...
Yang
Gabbard
Castro (although I like him in general)
Gravel
Delaney
Massam
Inslee (although also like him)
Williamson
Ryan
Moulton
Hickenlooper
Weld
Swalwell (I love him but he's not ready IMHO)
Sanders (Sorry just not a fan)
Biden (Love him but time for him to be a Party Elder)

BUT I would take any of them before Donald Trump and I would be sure I voted.
Current Fav List

1. Buttigieg
2. Harris/ Warren (Warren is underestimated and I'm hopeful she'll break through)
3. Booker/O'Rourke
4. Klobuchar/ Gillibrand


If I were to vote in a presidential
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nini

(16,672 posts)
32. Warren is not my first choice but i like her
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:40 PM
Apr 2019

She's done some things I wish she'd done differently, but I have no doubt where she stands, that she's smart, and sincerely cares about this country and the people who live here.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. I didn't like her to start with, but I've grown to like her.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:42 PM
Apr 2019

She's impressive. She did great at CNN's town hall.

But it's not about knowledge of details or detailed plans. Leadership is about charisma and force of personality and having that ability to get people to follow you. A good leader chooses people to draft plans with details. Leaders don't need to, and can't, be people who hold all the details of a variety of plans and issues in their heads. Those things are farmed out to specialists, who craft plans to comport with the leaders broad design.

People react to the person more than the plans, I think.

I'd vote for her for President, for sure. But she wouldn't be my first choice.

One thing I look for is rashness in decision. She was the first one to say "impeach" after the Mueller Report. I thought that was rash, given that Congress hadn't even gotten the unredacted version yet, or seen the evidence on which the report relied. At least some thought should go into such a heavy decision, not to mention consensus of the Democratic leaders, hashed out at a table in at least one lengthy meeting. But she's not made that way. (She also joined the bandwagon to oust Franken, another hasty decision, IMO. Although she wasn't among the first, I'll give her that.)

There are just so many people running that it's easy to get lost in the crowd. She may distinguish herself at the debates, though. I'm waiting for the debates.



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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
34. I like Warren but I think her instincts are awful and she would lose
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:42 PM
Apr 2019

I'm not going to make it more complicated than that. Trump would bait her easily and often, while abusing the ready-made nickname. Warren doesn't have any comprehension of big picture calm as opposed to overreacting to the most recent development or issue. That is 100% the opposite of what I am looking for, regardless of whether I agree with her positions.

They used to say whenever you saw a lake in a Burt Reynolds movie you knew a car would go into it. These days whenever there's a high profile political development the absolute guarantee is that Elizabeth Warren will speak up quickly with some far left position designed to impress and motivate the base.

That would be absolutely wonderful if our base comprised 60% of the electorate, and we weren't facing an incumbent in 2020.

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sop

(10,233 posts)
35. We need Warren's economic policies in this new Gilded Age
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:47 PM
Apr 2019

More than any other candidate, Elizabeth Warren understands how unrestrained corporate power and unchecked corruption have devastated middle and working class Americans. It's the most pressing and fundamental issue of our day.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
41. I have about four first choices and Warren is on that list
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:23 PM
Apr 2019

I have Mayor Pete as my choice because I’m thirsty to post in one of the candidate forums. Switching will reset the clock.

This is how I feel about Elizabeth:

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Cha

(297,543 posts)
45. Here's Ezra Klein on the differnce between BS
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 09:59 PM
Apr 2019

& Elizabeth..


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Me.

(35,454 posts)
56. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
47. EW is very viable. I think the thing that puts Bernie out ahead with many folks...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 11:00 PM
Apr 2019


... is that he took the risk of campaigning last year and was tenacious.

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comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
48. Remember the old trope:
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

I'd vote for a woman, just not that woman. It was used against Hillary, now it's being used against every woman running.

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Gothmog

(145,489 posts)
49. Warren leapfrogs Sanders in a new pair of 2020 polls
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(145,489 posts)
50. someone's extra grouchy today. Must be Warren passing him in the polls
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jun 2019
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True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
53. Elizabeth won
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jun 2019

My admiration with her agency, then her run for Senate. Then came in to the House sit down carrying donuts!

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
54. She has the very nerve to think that she's more qualified than any man to be POTUS
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jun 2019

And there are certain candidates who cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees with them.

Especially when it's a woman who is more accomplished and popular...

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
55. Why Not
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jun 2019

But maybe he feels berned because another woman is surpassing him

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