addresses and phone numbers of people who had zero input on participation. You do know that, right?

when campaigns ask volunteers to talk to their friends and family members or give them information, they don't ask them to just provide those people's names, phone numbers and email addresses.

commercial entities over ones created by volunteers and composed of their network of friends family and acquaintances?

asking their permission first.

And I have a very low opinion of a candidate asking his followers to do that and setting up an app to enable it.

I'm already seeing the app described as Orwellian and as organized harassment on Twitter.

databases?

are you not understanding?

databases filled with personal data. Are you creeped out about those databases too?

in the OP.

Fallacy: tu quoque

whatever volunteer provides such personal contact info on friends and family.

I don't want to think that anyone I know and like would be so inconsiderate of me.

And I don't want to think that anyone I know and like would be so gullible or brainwashed as to think this app was a good idea.

I'm used to being irked if databases are sold by companies I've done business with in some way. I can either assume I didn't read fine print carefully enough, or those companies were unethical.

I think it's grotesque that Sanders is doing something here that will result in anger and feelings of betrayal between friends and family members as his most deluded followers think this is a good idea and set up those close to them for what they might see as harassment.

I have relatives who are very careful not to give out cell phone #s in any way that can lead to robocalls on them -- they'll provide a landline # if there's a chance of that. I hope to God they don't have a Bernie bro in the family who'll dutifully hand over that cell phone number to the Sanders campaign.

All serious presidential campaigns have always done this. Pearl clutching IMO.

I have a mailing list for my business. It's against the rules for me to add anyone who didn't choose it. Do most campaigns actually gather emails through volunteer phone lists? I've never been asked for this in the campaigns I've helped.

It isn't an issue. It's a straw man

and looks like you're attempting a lot of distraction to the truth on this thread by name calling

or weren't paying attention last time around

And I find it surprising that Sanders would do this. Isn't he the king of fundraising? It seems a bit desperate to me.

You must be very angry a lot.

It reeks of desperation

then that is the end of the trust I have in that friend and the end of a friendship. No matter what it was given for (life or death are exceptions).

since 1970.

Here’s an article about Dan Wagner and the Obama 2012 campaign’s ‘big data’ tech:

mailing lists. They obtain their lists from many sources.

In fact, I'm currently Secretary of our local Democratic committee, and when people ask for phone numbers or email addresses of other members I ask the person before I give either out.

I guess there's a new culture in some campaigns, but it's virtually unheard of in Democratic campaigns.

This is, or at least I thought it was, common knowledge. Wiki has extensive information here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_database on them and their uses. Obviously they should have consulted you. Maybe you can edit the page to make it clear that using voter databases is not a standard practice.

in businesses that aggressively peddle something that people don't want.

I predict that people will get pissed if they get spam or robocalls.

This reeks of desperation.

I was getting email from candidates I've never heard of in states I've never lived in or even visited. I've also unsubscribed from Bernie; don't want to have to do it again.

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Refer 10 friends and family to buy better vitamins and cleaning products then Betsy Devos's Amway.

Wipe that enterprising capitalism and leave a clean socialist shine.

Repeatedly? And why Cambridge Analytica supposedly went under? Neither of course was every prosecuted but why, after all the sleazy dirty RW tricks played with impunity on Facebook users, does Sanders still maintain a group there?

Although I would rather see people in jail.

Unhand the pearls

Put into an app. Nothing new or nefarious here.

Watch the other serious campaigns follow suit with their own apps. Then will come the crickets. Some lead, others follow.

People gave Obama their emails without being asked in the millions...if Sanders has to get his volunteers to provide names, he is in trouble.

You to fork over names and emails of people they know so tyou can target them for dobnations. Maybe the donations are less than needed or expected.

the Obama 2012 campaign’s use of “big data”. It is now standard practice.

Looks like we are all in databases.

It’s ok to be wrong every now and then.

Take it from a 20 year career Database Administrator.

That said, I don't have a problem with it as long as there's options in their system for a person to click a link in the email that says 'unsubscribe', and it works.

email or names for fundraising...volunteers yes but not fund raising. And I would never produce a name without permission.

I guess they missed you somehow. I think I still have mine on my phone.

Because this has not ever happened on any campaign I've worked on beginning in 2004. And I actually work. Full time hours canvassing and making calls.

But you’ve got your position and you’re sticking to it.

Volunteers for the purpose of fundraising. I worked both elections. And many of the names on those lists came directly from the people , this is different. Kind of ironic, he goes after Biden about fundraising when he is doing this.

accessed users social media to build acquaintance network data, as I documented upthread.

Sanders is not innovating here, he is continuing the excellent work the Obama campaign pioneered building incredibly accurate voter databases. Part of that, a huge part, is pulling social network data from campaign workers into the database.

At least if you're asking a volunteer for friends info they have the option of thinking 'yeah, I know this person, they'll be receptive to emails and such', whereas with social media data mining of their accounts ... in an automated way ... they don't have that control and ability to use their judgment.

Just sayin

and this sounds like an excuse. I never saw any campaign do this.

documenting the Obama 2012 campaigns innovative use of big data, including data mining social networks.

Here’s another one:

this is PUBLIC information that's harvested from public sources. Maybe they often go too far, but they still got it from public sources somehow.

It's really sneaky to ask your acolytes to give you the private info that people may have tried to keep private. Why not ask for their passwords?

the Obama campaign was using social network data from its volunteers back in 2012.

it voluntary.

This is about data that is not public and no one has any expectation of it being made public.

The Obama app also asked you to add your friends and acquaintances, in addition to groveling through your Facebook friends.

Your friends on Facebook are not public data, by the way.

Get one book free … the campaign has plans to buy millions of these books.

The book buying has several links and it was posted here on DU.

hundreds of thousands of dollars on copies of his books to give away. So I wouldn't have been surprised if the new app did have free books as incentives for referrals, but I wanted to post a link to substantiate that.

The wife is complaining she cant' get her car in the garage anymore.

iirc, he refused to turn over his list last time, in spite of being given a dnc leadership position to reach out to his followers and bring them into the party.
i dont recall him doing anything in furtherance of that office.

Don't even need to clog your mentions with their YouTube videos, now they can just anonymously fill your inbox with spam...

Going to the bottom of the barrel today. DUvis too smart for you. Next!

will not be my friend any longer. I consider such behavior to be toxic. I contact campaigns that interest me. I do not want any more unsolicited emails, robocalls, or any other contacts from candidates. I get hundreds of them already during campaign season.

So, if you know my information, please do not give it to Bernie Sanders or any other politician. If you do, you'll find yourself on Ignore here or on any other internet venue.

The amount of crap that comes my way is already overwhelming. I do not support Bernie Sanders during the primaries. On the off chance that he ends up as the Democratic nominee, he'll get my vote, but none of my money.

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If you are a registered voter you are in the various voter databases and the DNC gives that data to every campaign.

Obama campaign.

Of course none of us feel "BERNed" by his behavior then and now. *

Again, I'm a former supporter. I think he should have sat this one out and helped someone else who was in a better position to win. Reminding people of the ugliness of 2016 will not help him.

And oh yeah, there's that "minor"* privacy issue thing, too.

*

Link to tweet

Luckily they always come with unsubscribe, and I do enjoy filling out the 'Please tell us why you are unsubscribing"..

I can't even post what I tell his campaign without breaking ToS here

They'll need to get a surgeon to dislodge my foot from their rectum.

Link to tweet

What a disgusting violation of voter privacy. If I wanted that campaign to contact me I would sign up myself. This is just going to make people who don't care for him dislike him even more. How egotistical to assume that everyone would just want to hear from him.