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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:32 PM Apr 2019

BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP TRIES TO BLOCK SUBPOENAS, CAUSING TOP DEMOCRATS TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the General Discussion forum). If you believe this was done in error, please contact Omaha Steve to appeal. In accordance with wishes of Omaha Steve - according to his comment - I've reposted the Opening Post here:

Biden: If Trump blocks investigations, Congress has no choice but to impeach him
BY JOHN BOWDEN - 04/30/19 09:13 AM EDT

Former Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that Congress should move forward with impeachment proceedings if the White House and Republicans work to block Democratic efforts to investigate matters "left undone" by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

In an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," the 2020 presidential candidate said that Democrats would have "no alternative" but to impeach President Trump if he were to block a congressional investigation into whether he obstructed justice by firing former FBI Director James Comey and attempting to fire Mueller.

Biden's call for Congress to begin impeachment proceedings if the White House blocks its investigation falls short of the position of his fellow 2020 primary contender Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), who said at a town hall last week that Congress should begin impeachment proceedings now.

"We have very good reason to believe that there is an investigation that has been conducted which has produced evidence that tells us that this president and his administration engaged in obstruction of justice. I believe Congress should take the steps toward impeachment," she told a CNN town hall in New Hampshire.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/441301-biden-if-trump-blocks-investigations-congress-has-no-choice-but-to


Trump sues Deutsche Bank, Capital One to block subpoenas

After US lawmakers demanded Donald Trump's financial records from Deutsche Bank and Capital One, the US president sued to stop the release. The subpoenas would serve to "ferret" for damaging material, the lawsuit says.

Previously, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff said the subpoenas were part of an investigation "into allegations of potential foreign influence on the US political process," hinting at Trump's dealings with Russia.

Responding to Trump's legal move, Schiff and his colleague from the House Financial Committee Maxine Waters said the lawsuit was "meritless."

"This lawsuit is not designed to succeed; it is only designed to put off meaningful accountability as long as possible," they said.
https://www.dw.com/en/trump-sues-deutsche-bank-capital-one-to-block-subpoenas/a-48541673 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/441301-biden-if-trump-blocks-investigations-congress-has-no-choice-but-to
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BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP TRIES TO BLOCK SUBPOENAS, CAUSING TOP DEMOCRATS TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT (Original Post) real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 OP
Biden called for impeachment as well... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #1
Isn't it Witness Tampering for Trump to try to block info from Deutschebank and Capital One? ancianita Apr 2019 #2
Actually, this is another count of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE by Trump... real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #4
No FBaggins Apr 2019 #6
Interesting. Thanks. ancianita Apr 2019 #7
WELL, RECOMMEND THIS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE! real Cannabis calm May 2019 #25
?? ancianita May 2019 #26
K&R murielm99 Apr 2019 #3
Title is unsupported by the linked articles FBaggins Apr 2019 #5
Indeed. It is quite misleading tymorial Apr 2019 #21
this doesn't belong in the Primaries section. TeamPooka Apr 2019 #8
I am simply following advice of the D.U. Moderator: real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #11
Wtf is this doing in Primaries? jberryhill Apr 2019 #9
Ignore the title FBaggins Apr 2019 #10
It probably would have worked better as two articles... real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #12
They probably assumed that your original title was legit FBaggins Apr 2019 #13
You mean it is "false" in your opinion, correct? real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #14
As for your other "opinion" read this: real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #15
Already responded to that in #5 FBaggins Apr 2019 #17
Nope FBaggins Apr 2019 #16
are you attempting to claim that subpoenas are not "FOLLOW-UP PROBES?" real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #18
Sigh. The age of the link is not all that makes something "breaking news" FBaggins Apr 2019 #19
You might consider reading the dates, times and copy, before an unusual amount of criticism. real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #20
As for ALL the critics; thanks for supplying nearly 2,200 readers to news that deserves attention... real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #22
For the record: the original OP began 9:16 AM and locked 9:47 AM w/ 21 recs. real Cannabis calm Apr 2019 #23
what's up with this typical O.P? real Cannabis calm May 2019 #24
REAL news is that EVERYONE should Google, to see what is still online, since you last read "IT" Jeffersons Ghost May 2019 #27
Biden: If Trump blocks investigations, Congress has no choice but to impeach him Cha May 2019 #28
 

Demsrule86

(68,685 posts)
1. Biden called for impeachment as well...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:37 PM
Apr 2019
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ancianita

(36,137 posts)
2. Isn't it Witness Tampering for Trump to try to block info from Deutschebank and Capital One?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:49 PM
Apr 2019

I hope someone in media raises this question.

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
4. Actually, this is another count of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE by Trump...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:59 PM
Apr 2019

In my non-legal opinion, Trump has racked-up plenty of those felonies. Are there any lawyers, who read D.U. who want to comment on this matter?

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
6. No
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:07 PM
Apr 2019

Fighting a subpoena that tries to get your personal financial records is not witness tampering... nor would it be if you threatened to sue the bank if they released them.

If, OTOH, the courts decided not to quash the subpoena and you threatened them in some other way (say... hinting that you won't approve their next merger)... then it would be witness tampering.

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ancianita

(36,137 posts)
7. Interesting. Thanks.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:10 PM
Apr 2019
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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
25. WELL, RECOMMEND THIS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
Thu May 2, 2019, 01:13 AM
May 2019
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murielm99

(30,764 posts)
3. K&R
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:52 PM
Apr 2019

Thank you for re-posting.

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
5. Title is unsupported by the linked articles
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:04 PM
Apr 2019

Biden is making the appropriate noises to appeal to as wide an audience as possible (as most Democratic leaders are). They'll say that impeachment is not currently in the works but remains possible if their investigation turns up enough wrongdoing or if Trump blocks their investigation.

Nothing new there.

You have obviously decided that fighting a subpoena for his personal banking records should qualify under Biden's standard... but that doesn't make it so.

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tymorial

(3,433 posts)
21. Indeed. It is quite misleading
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:54 PM
Apr 2019
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TeamPooka

(24,255 posts)
8. this doesn't belong in the Primaries section.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:16 PM
Apr 2019
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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
11. I am simply following advice of the D.U. Moderator:
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:02 PM
Apr 2019

Omaha Steve (68,515 posts)

7. After a review by forum hosts...locking.

Per the decisions and instructions of the DU Admins, all OP's regarding Democratic candidates for the Party's nomination for President are to be posted in the Democratic Primaries Forum. Please post your OP there. Thanks

Original post in General Discussion at:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212058138

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jberryhill

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9. Wtf is this doing in Primaries?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:31 PM
Apr 2019
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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
10. Ignore the title
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:47 PM
Apr 2019

It's really an article about Biden and mods say those belong here.

real Cannabis calm decided to combine his interpretation of that article with other news and declare that what had really happened was a trigger had been reached for impeachment... justifying an ALL CAPS BREAKING NEWS ALERT!!!

The reality is that there's no reason to wonder it's in primaries. What is worth our wonderment is why it wasn't one article in primaries (with the correct title)... one article in GD (same)... and perhaps his own comment that he/she thought the two were related.

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
12. It probably would have worked better as two articles...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:08 PM
Apr 2019

Plenty of critics on this Opening Post, which oddly differs from the original version...

Original post in General Discussion at:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212058138

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
13. They probably assumed that your original title was legit
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:14 PM
Apr 2019

Reposting it here and informing the audience that it had been locked originally probably caused many to take a closer look. It's hard to miss that the title is false. I see no Democratic leaders calling for impeachment based on Trump's opposition to those subpoenas.

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
14. You mean it is "false" in your opinion, correct?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:16 PM
Apr 2019
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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
15. As for your other "opinion" read this:
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

Joe Biden: Congress has ‘no alternative’ but impeachment if Trump blocks followup probes of Mueller’s findings
PUBLISHED 4 HOURS AGO UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO

Former Vice President Joe Biden says impeachment is the only “constitutional resort” Congress could turn to if President Trump blocks followup investigations of Robert Mueller’s Russia report.

Biden tells “Good Morning America” that Mueller’s 448-page report included several areas of inquiry that were “left undone.”

Trump and his business sued to block a subpoena seeking information from an accounting firm about Trump’s finances. The president and his family also sued Deutsche Bank and Capital One to block House subpoenas for his financial information.

Democratic 2020 frontrunner Joe Biden said Congress will have “no alternative” but pursuing impeachment if President Donald Trump or his associates block investigations based on special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/30/biden-no-alternative-but-impeachment-if-trump-blocks-probes-in-congress.html

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
17. Already responded to that in #5
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:27 PM
Apr 2019

Biden gets to decide whether he considers such a move to be "blocking investigations". You don't get to do that.

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
16. Nope
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

Biden hasn't called for impeachment at all, let alone done so "caused" by Trump's attempt to quash a subpoena. Nor have any other Democratic leaders been documented as doing so.

You could claim that rather than false, it could be "entirely unsupported" (hardly a big recommendation)... but the title actually included "BREAKING NEWS". There has been no such news today.

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
18. are you attempting to claim that subpoenas are not "FOLLOW-UP PROBES?"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:29 PM
Apr 2019

As for "BREAKING NEWS" the Biden news article is only 4 hours old, on 4/30/19 (today)

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FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
19. Sigh. The age of the link is not all that makes something "breaking news"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:34 PM
Apr 2019

The title has to actually match the article. Yours isn't even close. You're trying to leave the readers with the impression that Biden (AND other leaders) just responded to Trump's move with calls for impeachment. You haven't backed any of that up.

are you attempting to claim that subpoenas are not "FOLLOW-UP PROBES?"

Nope. Care to try again?

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
20. You might consider reading the dates, times and copy, before an unusual amount of criticism.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:40 PM
Apr 2019

What I find most unusual, is your fixation on the idea that news, which is only a few hours old, isn't "BREAKING NEWS."

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
22. As for ALL the critics; thanks for supplying nearly 2,200 readers to news that deserves attention...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
Apr 2019

It's a shame it doesn't have as many recommendations as the original news article received, in FAR less time, in General Discussion, yet.

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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
23. For the record: the original OP began 9:16 AM and locked 9:47 AM w/ 21 recs.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:23 PM
Apr 2019

By 7:14 PM on 4/30/19 it finally surpassed 26 recommendations. Anyhow, ALL readers can criticize and enjoy at least one recent news article - from major media sources - ESPECIALLY IF ARTICLES APPLY TO PROSECUTING TREASONOUS CRIME-SYNDICATE ORGANIZERS, (AKA. TRUMP) WHEN I WRITE "BREAKING NEWS!"

btw, using ALL CAPS is an old advertising strategy, which remains effective, apparently...

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real Cannabis calm

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24. what's up with this typical O.P?
Thu May 2, 2019, 01:02 AM
May 2019
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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
27. REAL news is that EVERYONE should Google, to see what is still online, since you last read "IT"
Thu May 2, 2019, 02:58 AM
May 2019
LIVE LONG AND PROSPER

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Cha

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28. Biden: If Trump blocks investigations, Congress has no choice but to impeach him
Thu May 2, 2019, 04:39 AM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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