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Noem's confession she killed family puppy shocks dog trainer, CNN panel (Original Post) IronLionZion Apr 27 OP
I follow this ebbie15644 Apr 27 #1
I would like to offer a caution here stopdiggin Apr 27 #2
hocky puck et tu Apr 27 #4
Nailed it! She doesn't deserve a dog! PortTack Apr 27 #5
ty pt nt et tu Apr 27 #6
a 'hunting dog' that deliberately and wantonly stopdiggin Apr 27 #7
if the dog has a problem et tu Apr 27 #8
Ms. Kristi probably didn't know about her hound's stopdiggin Apr 27 #11
Someone else might want the dog IronLionZion Apr 27 #9
quite true. stopdiggin Apr 27 #12
love it- my dog's better et tu Apr 27 #3
Sick; Demented; Dangerous, and Lazy. Unfit for Office. MagaSmash Apr 27 #10

stopdiggin

(11,396 posts)
2. I would like to offer a caution here
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:02 PM
Apr 27

And I understand that this may be extremely offensive to certain readers - and probably beyond understanding or belief for some.

But - in many rural cultures - putting down an animal that needs it is considered a responsibility, and plain old upstanding responsible behavior. This happens for a variety of reasons where an animal is crippled, diseased, suffering advanced old age, injured, deformed at birth - and the list goes on, to sometimes including an animal that is just performing poorly, nonproductive, or a nuisance and detriment to the operation. And many farm people would never consider that this is something that ought to be passed on to a third party or vet - but something that needs to be faced and taken on themselves. In other words a dirty and unpleasant job, but one that goes with the territory. A responsibility coming with ownership and husbandry.
(remember I said some people are going to find this difficult to understand ..)

Further - the behavior described here for this young dog - would absolutely have this animal on a short list as clearly deserving of being 'put down', in almost any rural/agrarian community. (completely uncontrollable, hysterical temperament, unheeding of any commands - and then finally, as absolute capital offense, wanton destruction of livestock ...) In rural culture, this animal's life expectancy is approximately the length of time that it takes for the owner to be informed of what has taken place. And, no - you do not pass the problem along by 'rehoming' the animal - nor would you, or any responsible breeder, under any circumstance consider allowing them to reproduce. The animal is clearly a 'cull' - as far as both functionality and social acceptance, as well as protection of the breed. And, again - that is really on you.

So - bang away on Krist Noem if you like. I certainly don't have any use for the woman, and no wish to protect or provide cover. But do understand, I hope - that this story is most likely not being received in South Dakota (or IA, NE, MT or ID ..) - with the kind of ridicule and disdain that you might assume. A lot of constituents in rural American are saying something more like, "Well, yeah .." ('chicken killin' dog' ..)

et tu

(932 posts)
4. hocky puck
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:12 PM
Apr 27

to train any animal takes time and patience.
I know culling is advisable in some cases but
no evidence of that here.
1. you don't let an intact buck run loose
2. 14 month old pups are still maturing
and as a responsible dog owner, you don't let
the dog run loose on someone else's farm especially when
the dog is lacking training, human laziness and ignorance.
[i live on a farm too]

stopdiggin

(11,396 posts)
7. a 'hunting dog' that deliberately and wantonly
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:58 PM
Apr 27

kills, not just one but multiple, chickens?
Nope. And nope again.
You can try to 'train' this animal if you want to ...
(while 'explaining' it to your neighbor)

And like I said - don't really know (or care) how complicit Noem might be in this situation.
But a lot of rural people are saying, "Screw that!" "Chicken killin' dog - means goodnight rover .."

et tu

(932 posts)
8. if the dog has a problem
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 05:03 PM
Apr 27

no responsible owner would let it run loose
you should know that living on a farm~

stopdiggin

(11,396 posts)
11. Ms. Kristi probably didn't know about her hound's
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 11:18 PM
Apr 27

propensity for murdering chickens. Until he murdered a whole batch of 'em.
(I think the articles said something about 'escaping' from a vehicle they had been traveling in - whatever the heck that means)

But, returning to my point - a lot of people are going to look at this story - and not see the resulting action taken by the owner as a brand of unconscionable cruelty and savagery - but rather a responsible resolution to a proven 'problem' animal.

And, yeah - a lot of other people, like for instance here on DU - don't see it as anything of the sort. But that is why I wrote the post. And prefaced it with saying, "some of you aren't going to like hearing this .."

IronLionZion

(45,600 posts)
9. Someone else might want the dog
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 05:32 PM
Apr 27

plenty of Americans adopt dogs that someone else doesn't want, regardless of rural or urban or whatever behavior problems it may have.

stopdiggin

(11,396 posts)
12. quite true.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 11:32 PM
Apr 27

But, as I tried to point out - that might not necessarily be seen as the ethical or 'stand up' way of dealing with things - by people that have a little different framework.

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