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(58,911 posts) Tue Aug 7, 2018, 03:44 PM Aug 2018

MI-GOV: Ocasio-Cortez hoping for 25% turnout or lower [View all]

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MI-GOV: Ocasio-Cortez hoping for 25% turnout or lower [View all] RandySF Aug 2018 OP

Wow...Really? Me. Aug 2018 #1

This was exactly my reaction. Unbelievable. nt R B Garr Aug 2018 #2

Low turnout in primaries is a historical and mathematical fact oberliner Aug 2018 #4

Actually, she is saying a lot more than that. R B Garr Aug 2018 #11

Sounds like she's saying the opposite -- that her candidate is more likely to win with low turnout. pnwmom Aug 2018 #77

Lol nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #118

Don't we usually give Democrats the benefit of the doubt? oberliner Aug 2018 #135

Democrats believe in the will of the people, Hortensis Aug 2018 #180

LOL RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #185

What an odd choice of words she used if that is what she intended to say. She managed Ninsianna Aug 2018 #208

Sounds like it. nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #7

Wonder what her backers think of this? She wants a lower turnout. brush Aug 2018 #9

Precisely Me. Aug 2018 #13

Some are right here on DU defending her. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #149

That isn't what she said. And she's explained it well before. She's said that candidates who JCanete Aug 2018 #14

Dear Me, Here I am Believing My Lying Eyes Me. Aug 2018 #20

She didnt' say at any point that the vote should be suppressed. Wehre did she say we should JCanete Aug 2018 #60

Thanks But I'll Take Her At Her Intention Me. Aug 2018 #68

You'll put words in her mouth that don't exist. Put up already. JCanete Aug 2018 #71

I'd Say Her Meaning Was Quite Clear Me. Aug 2018 #72

She unquestionably sees low representation as Hortensis Aug 2018 #182

Things Have Come To Such A Pass That Now Me. Aug 2018 #190

It always was by people who couldn't get elected Hortensis Aug 2018 #215

Okay, so what EXACTLY did she say? Apparently you heard/read something different. George II Aug 2018 #36

Hoping turnout is low due to excitement level for a candidate is not the same thing as advocating JCanete Aug 2018 #62

I'll try again, so what EXACTLY did she say? George II Aug 2018 #73

First, did she say that votes should be suppressed? Show me you're serious about this conversation JCanete Aug 2018 #75

I'll try again, so what EXACTLY did she say? George II Aug 2018 #92

I'll try again. Prove you are being sincere and accept that she did not say votes should be JCanete Aug 2018 #94

"Prove you are being sincere" ehrnst Aug 2018 #99

I dont' follow. Hope your laugh was cathartic though. nt JCanete Aug 2018 #103

It was, thanks. ehrnst Aug 2018 #123

Pretzel logic. honest.abe Aug 2018 #76

She is not advocating for low turnout and that shit doesn't even make sense...advocating to who, JCanete Aug 2018 #89

Wow.. that really clears thing up?!?! honest.abe Aug 2018 #119

She said that her candidate has a majority of votes AS LONG AS the majority of voters don't vote. pnwmom Aug 2018 #82

and is that the same thing as hoping that voter suppression occurs, or advocating for it? JCanete Aug 2018 #87

The OP didn't say she hoped or advocated for voter suppression, and neither do I. pnwmom Aug 2018 #93

I wasn't responding to the op. I was responding to Me. JCanete Aug 2018 #95

Your post 87 was responding to MY post 82. You and I were talking here. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #105

my original post had to do with Me's claim, correct? Everyting that came after, presumably JCanete Aug 2018 #107

That makes absolutely no sense. kcr Aug 2018 #125

what? your point makes no sense. If you excite the voters that you reach but if you can't JCanete Aug 2018 #143

They only go door to door? kcr Aug 2018 #146

No, she is not a Dem. lark Aug 2018 #42

Quite Me. Aug 2018 #45

She is literally a democrat. You don't get to decide which of us who are registered as democrats JCanete Aug 2018 #85

Thank you. whathehell Aug 2018 #171

I distinctly remember her saying she was a democratic socialist. brush Aug 2018 #184

What party did she run in? How is she registered? What's the point of trying to be cute? nt JCanete Aug 2018 #191

Trying to be cute? Are you kidding? We all just saw how the party was used... brush Aug 2018 #227

You don't get to decide what we as a party want, unilaterally. PLenty of us in the democratic party JCanete Aug 2018 #241

You don't get to decide either. And I still say they used AOC. brush Aug 2018 #242

It's not Democratic to want low turnout.. Cha Aug 2018 #116

And No One Forced Her To... Me. Aug 2018 #122

Right.. and Yet all kinds of Pretzel logic Cha Aug 2018 #126

Sweet! Gretchen Whitmer: I voted! Make sure you do too! Cha Aug 2018 #169

Wasn't that essentially how she won her primary? W_HAMILTON Aug 2018 #3

Yes, the turnout was tiny around 13% honest.abe Aug 2018 #5

She worked hard to get those votes and her opponent didn't work as hard oberliner Aug 2018 #10

It sounds like a GOP style tactic. honest.abe Aug 2018 #12

It sure does sound like that. GOP loves low voter turnout. R B Garr Aug 2018 #15

That's not entirely true. Voters in NY were expecting a primary in September.... George II Aug 2018 #24

That is something that needs to change. That's how Ted Cruz won his primary in 2012. OnDoutside Aug 2018 #31

that one was a new definition of low dsc Aug 2018 #115

It was 11%, and she got 6% of the vote of registered Democrats in the district. George II Aug 2018 #30

Thanks for the correction. honest.abe Aug 2018 #33

No problem - the turnout was about 27,000 in a district with 245,000 registered Democrats. George II Aug 2018 #34

Yes, in a low turnout primary - getting out your voters will have an enormous impact oberliner Aug 2018 #6

And just how do you get that pool to shrink? kcr Aug 2018 #21

Um, tell people not to get out and vote. Which is essentially what it seems she's doing. George II Aug 2018 #25

That's what I was getting at, yes. kcr Aug 2018 #136

Exactly. I guess she's looking at her own primary, where turnout was 11%. George II Aug 2018 #139

Yes. She was very aware of it back then, too, as I heard her on a talk show R B Garr Aug 2018 #8

Exactly, she got 6% of the votes of registered Democrats in her district. George II Aug 2018 #19

That's the way to sneak in. George II Aug 2018 #16

Now where have I heard that philosophy before? mcar Aug 2018 #17

That's one of the first rules of republican campaign strategy - suppress the vote. George II Aug 2018 #26

Yep mcar Aug 2018 #28

I am less and less impressed by Ocasio-Cortez every day. comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #18

This is almost as troubling as the "crossover vote in the open primary" strategy. lapucelle Aug 2018 #22

Someone forgot to turn on the filter. kcr Aug 2018 #23

Her once shining star has really faded OKNancy Aug 2018 #27

She has yet to actively campaign against a republican, all of her campaigning efforts.... George II Aug 2018 #32

I imagine that will change once primary season is over. n/t theaocp Aug 2018 #35

cant wait to see that AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #37

I know of only two candidates who have been actively campaigning outside their district.... George II Aug 2018 #38

Okay. She must be one of them. theaocp Aug 2018 #40

All she's "attacked" (i.e., campaigned against) so far this year is Democrats, in her district..... George II Aug 2018 #44

Again, okay. So look forward to her attacks in the coming days. Cheers to that. n/t theaocp Aug 2018 #46

she's running a smart campaign. Talking about her republican opponent just gives him a platform bigtree Aug 2018 #98

She also endorsed Nixon over Cuomo in the Democratic state governor's primary. lapucelle Aug 2018 #133

it better qazplm135 Aug 2018 #59

No, but her guy gave the GOP plenty to smear Gretchen with in the general. Squinch Aug 2018 #51

OMG, it's a primary! theaocp Aug 2018 #80

Its a primary in 2018. And you still don't get that this is different from every other primary we Squinch Aug 2018 #83

I know. theaocp Aug 2018 #101

No, intelligent people understand that, unlike what you have just said, this is not like every Squinch Aug 2018 #110

Thanks for clarifying that you see me as unintelligent. theaocp Aug 2018 #112

El Sayed Accused Gretchen of "Money Laundering" and Cha Aug 2018 #100

Yea, I know. You've been on that tip for days now. theaocp Aug 2018 #106

Too bad you don't like it pointed out. Abdul was on it for days. Cha Aug 2018 #109

Like I could stop you? theaocp Aug 2018 #114

Gretchen Whitmer for Governor of Michigan! Cha Aug 2018 #121

Primaries are dirty yes, but if you run a dirty primary... joshcryer Aug 2018 #144

"Politics is dirty"? lapucelle Aug 2018 #231

Not really. joshcryer Aug 2018 #140

Regardless if we do or do not like the outcome, we should encourage everyone to vote. LonePirate Aug 2018 #29

Wanting a low turnout is a sign of weakness Gothmog Aug 2018 #39

The full story, from Playboy magazine. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2018 #41

More of the full story from the Playboy interview, lapucelle Aug 2018 #120

The author's presumption is faulty. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #128

this was part of the Tea party's strategy too. TeamPooka Aug 2018 #43

It certainly has the Tea Party......aroma. oasis Aug 2018 #74

That's how she won and why she would be vulnerable if Crowley ran in the GE Renew Deal Aug 2018 #47

Could be problems then. He's not actively running but his name is on the ballot. brush Aug 2018 #48

Are you advocating people don't support the Democratic candidate, as she irritates you? theaocp Aug 2018 #53

DU is a wonderous place Renew Deal Aug 2018 #55

Oh please. I don't live in that district or even the state. brush Aug 2018 #56

Unfortunate. theaocp Aug 2018 #61

Ratfuckery is in the eye of the beholder. Did you see the clip of her on income inequality? brush Aug 2018 #91

These days, everything is in the eye of the beholder. Just ask 45. lol theaocp Aug 2018 #97

I've never used the term "that woman". My issue is her campaigning against Dem incumbents. brush Aug 2018 #104

I guess we disagree with the campaigning against the incumbents, but theaocp Aug 2018 #108

Give me your reasons for backing campaigning against a Democratic incumbent... brush Aug 2018 #127

Crowley is a Democrat. Wasn't the refrain used before R B Garr Aug 2018 #244

I really did like her when I first saw her, and I thought she was great for Brooklyn. Now Squinch Aug 2018 #49

We're curious to see what happens in the runup to the September primary. lapucelle Aug 2018 #137

Nixon is ridiculous. Squinch Aug 2018 #145

She went upstate to campaign. She spelled "Ithaca" wrong in her invites. lapucelle Aug 2018 #150

Oh, dear. Squinch Aug 2018 #152

My son lives in Ithica. His partner is doing a Ph.D. at Cornnel. lapucelle Aug 2018 #156

I hear there's a nice skool there. Squinch Aug 2018 #158

It's part of the Ivory Leeg. lapucelle Aug 2018 #166

Very interesting paradox here. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2018 #179

Joe Crowley is not running. lapucelle Aug 2018 #181

I'll believe that when he's officially off the line. DinahMoeHum Aug 2018 #183

You can believe whatever you choose to believe. lapucelle Aug 2018 #186

I get where she's coming from DFW Aug 2018 #50

Agree and disagree. theaocp Aug 2018 #54

AOC is WRONG to want the Vote Suppressed Cha Aug 2018 #57

You made me laugh. theaocp Aug 2018 #64

AOC sounds desperate.. hoping for low turnout. Cha Aug 2018 #84

We'll see in a few hours. theaocp Aug 2018 #90

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #79

I hate voter supression also. But she isn't advocating that Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #65

I agree, but it came across poorly. theaocp Aug 2018 #67

We can agree on that. n/t Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #86

Then why didn't she say that? That's entirely different than what she actually said. kcr Aug 2018 #111

You got that from what she said? ehrnst Aug 2018 #124

The only way that this candidate can win is in low turnout Gothmog Aug 2018 #70

I have no idea who or what the Bravo network is DFW Aug 2018 #81

No worries. theaocp Aug 2018 #88

I'm sure they must have a web site somewhere DFW Aug 2018 #113

She's not wrong but it's definitely a gaff. joshcryer Aug 2018 #147

To get out the vote you need good organizing, like safeinOhio Aug 2018 #52

25% turnout would be a record in Michigan for a primary election. Kaleva Aug 2018 #58

WTF? workinclasszero Aug 2018 #63

The same rule applied to Trump Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #66

Straight out of the GOP playbook. ehrnst Aug 2018 #69

one of the things I'll long remember bigtree Aug 2018 #78

Be fair. AOC has campaigned against more than one Dem incumbent. Not a good thing. brush Aug 2018 #96

Yeah, he can't address what AOC said in the OP.. trying Cha Aug 2018 #102

she's doing it in a primary IN FAVOR of Democratic candidates bigtree Aug 2018 #117

How many candidates are traveling all over the country participating in OTHERS' primaries? George II Aug 2018 #175

Why would you call me a liar in your first sentence? brush Aug 2018 #176

I've been called that by that person several times in these discussions. I just.... George II Aug 2018 #188

3....2....1...."it's participating in the democratic process" George II Aug 2018 #172

Perhaps a lot of the pushback she's getting is because since June... George II Aug 2018 #138

Yes, shocking that AOC is getting Pushback on a Democratic Cha Aug 2018 #163

It's a Bernie thing wonkwest Aug 2018 #177

Really? brer cat Aug 2018 #178

Score! Cha Aug 2018 #210

He said she said ? Give her a break. pwb Aug 2018 #129

Stop with the russian bot accusations dansolo Aug 2018 #200

Thank you! betsuni Aug 2018 #202

Mahalo, dansolo! Cha Aug 2018 #211

Anyone hoping for low turnout in ANY election can go fuck themselves. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #130

That really shows her inexperience. And also how El-Sayed has no chance, kcr Aug 2018 #131

Where is the link to Ocasio-Cortez actually saying Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #132

Here's the link. lapucelle Aug 2018 #142

That is peculiar tortured English followed by spin. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #157

I'm not being played. lapucelle Aug 2018 #164

She was very knowledgeable and conversant about her R B Garr Aug 2018 #187

Progressive Derangement at DU???? She never said she was hoping for low turn out. doxyluv13 Aug 2018 #134

AOC is Getting Pushback from her OWN WORDS. Cha Aug 2018 #174

In Ocasio-Cortez' New York City Campaign Finance Board profile, ehrnst Aug 2018 #141

It may just be a fancy way of saying "intern." DFW Aug 2018 #153

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #154

She did work for Kennedy's office before she went off to Boston College. Blue_true Aug 2018 #159

Who said she was "lying?" ehrnst Aug 2018 #161

I did not say you were lying. I was just pointing out how her claim can be totally legit. Blue_true Aug 2018 #165

Nice try. The question was "Who said she was "lying?" ehrnst Aug 2018 #167

Your original post had a link to her campaign. Blue_true Aug 2018 #170

I kinda thought you would actually address the post that you were replying to. ehrnst Aug 2018 #173

If she keeps getting the Bernie Sanders treatment at this rate dgauss Aug 2018 #148

"Sorry but this stuff reminds me of swift boating" kcr Aug 2018 #155

AOC's quote is indefensible but you thought to turn Cha Aug 2018 #160

Interestingly in Detroit, power outages have knocked out 14 polling locations. ehrnst Aug 2018 #151

Oh NO! Cha Aug 2018 #162

Sweet! Gretchen Whitmer.. I voted! Make sure you do, too! Cha Aug 2018 #168

divisive and destructive faction heaven05 Aug 2018 #189

I can debunk literally every single talking point in that link SkyDancer Aug 2018 #192

You and your candidates aren't so high and mighty pure... Cha Aug 2018 #193

"My candidates" are Democrats SkyDancer Aug 2018 #194

I just told you why that you have no room Cha Aug 2018 #195

Where did I say anything like that? SkyDancer Aug 2018 #196

OK.. I'll bring your quote on here.. Cha Aug 2018 #197

I don't agree with his tactics either SkyDancer Aug 2018 #198

Yeah, IMO.. just because El Sayed Cha Aug 2018 #199

I believe he would make a better governor SkyDancer Aug 2018 #201

Nah, he isn't Gov material.. Gretchen Whitmer is. Cha Aug 2018 #203

Both are SkyDancer Aug 2018 #216

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #205

Mahalo, betsuni.. Cha Aug 2018 #206

Every single one? betsuni Aug 2018 #204

debunk all you please heaven05 Aug 2018 #212

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #213

This is division SkyDancer Aug 2018 #218

I counseled heaven05 Aug 2018 #220

Explain to me please SkyDancer Aug 2018 #221

Their leadership and advice heaven05 Aug 2018 #222

And as I said, division SkyDancer Aug 2018 #223

Never said you're not welcome heaven05 Aug 2018 #228

In the 70s there was a different bloc of voters the age of today's Millenials. You think.... George II Aug 2018 #240

Cynthia Nixon is young? Maybe compared to me but she's only a few years younger than Cuomo. George II Aug 2018 #239

Michigan voters set new turnout record for August primary ehrnst Aug 2018 #207

Yeah Gothmog Aug 2018 #226

They ran out of ballots, 70% turnout. Ninsianna Aug 2018 #209

1. Why is Ocasio giving interviews to "Playboy"? Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #214

Success often goes to the heads of neophytes. MineralMan Aug 2018 #217

Think about who reads Playboy. ehrnst Aug 2018 #229

And she's a young dynamic attractive woman........? Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #238

What a deeply cynical strategy. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #219

I am so glad that there was good turnout in Michigan Gothmog Aug 2018 #224

I know what she's saying NastyRiffraff Aug 2018 #225

Wow, a lot of effort going in on destroying Ocasio. gtar100 Aug 2018 #230

She's destroying herself. honest.abe Aug 2018 #232

She's getting the right-wing smear big time. gtar100 Aug 2018 #233

She will win unless she completely self-destructs. honest.abe Aug 2018 #234

She will in November RandySF Aug 2018 #245

Yup workinclasszero Aug 2018 #235

Well, the primaries ended YESTERDAY, so perhaps you'll be in luck in another few hours? n/t theaocp Aug 2018 #236

Lets hope so workinclasszero Aug 2018 #237

Voter turnout shatters recent records for Michigan primary elections Gothmog Aug 2018 #243