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lapucelle

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56. It is the situation that was nuanced back in 2011-2012.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:00 AM
Oct 2018
The Magnitsky Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2012, but it followed a rocky and ultimately failed attempt by the administration to “reset” relations with Russia after a longstanding adversarial relationship.

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[T]he Obama administration, with Clinton as Secretary of State, was actively trying to normalize relations with Russia, hoping Putin’s predecessor Dmitry Medvedev would serve as a moderating force. Part of that effort included hesitation by the administration to pass the Magnitsky Act.

Although in hindsight it’s clear the effort was doomed to fail, it seemed to start optimistically (despite prescient warnings from Russian critics of Putin, like chess champion Gary Kasparov). Medvedev and Obama hammered out an arms agreement in 2010. The Russians allowed the Americans to fly through their airspace to reach Afghanistan.

During this time, the Obama administration was criticized for its inaction on the Magnitsky Act — a move they feared would scuttle reset efforts.

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In 2011-2012, Secretary Clinton was working to advance the administration's policy goals. (That's what Secretaries of State do.) It should be noted, however, that

Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman said she took aggressive steps on human-rights abuses in Russia and “personally acted to impose a ban on travel to the U.S. by several dozen officials believed to have been involved in Magnitsky’s death.” Sponsors of the congressional legislation said the move, coming in 2011, was a major step, but that it didn’t go far enough.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-bill-clinton-russia-sanctions-speech/

Furthermore,

Kerry himself contests Browder’s account. “Bill Browder is a passionate and effective advocate and we all give him huge credit for honoring Sergei Magnitsky’s life and work by making sure the bill bearing his name became law,” Kerry said in an email to FP. “But he just happens to be wrong or misinformed about my role or my reasons for proceeding as we did.”

The legislation moved quickly through his committee, according to Kerry. “At no point did I ‘stall’ the bill,” he wrote. Compared to other legislation at the time, “the Magnitsky Act became law pretty darn swiftly.”


https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/enemy-of-the-state-putin-russia-magnitsky-sanctions-veselnitskaya/

No such nuance existed in 2017 when BS voted against the bill's renewal.




Hey, ABC This Week, Sanders is not (D) Vermont [View all] question everything Oct 2018 OP
I'll take him over Manchin "(D)" West Virginia. irresistable Oct 2018 #1
I'll take neither of them. Bfd Oct 2018 #5
The voting on the Magnitsky Act was more nuanced. Hillary,Kerry and Obama were against it. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #6
Meh..the whitewashing. You cannot normalize that final vote. Bfd Oct 2018 #7
No whitewashing. Bernie agreed with President Obama,Hillary Clinton and John Kerry Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #8
President Obama signed the bill in 2012 under HRC's tenure. lapucelle Oct 2018 #57
Trying to misrepresent Obama and Hillary as Hortensis Oct 2018 #64
No, Hillary, Kerry, and Obama supported the FINAL bill. Only Bernie, of the progressives, pnwmom Oct 2018 #11
Are you saying these Democrats aren't progressives? They all voted NO for the same reason Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #13
This just confirms that Bernie didn't want to affect Russia. R B Garr Oct 2018 #18
So you're saying melman Oct 2018 #23
Sanders is an extreme minority of his Russia votes. R B Garr Oct 2018 #25
Sorry melman Oct 2018 #27
The Mueller investigation is full of facts. R B Garr Oct 2018 #28
It's the fallacy of false alternative! lapucelle Oct 2018 #58
lol melman Oct 2018 #59
Ipse dixit! lapucelle Oct 2018 #61
lol melman Oct 2018 #63
huh? Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #31
It makes sense that you do not concern yourself R B Garr Oct 2018 #32
OK. I guess I'll have to take your word for it and wait until Mueller's report is released. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #33
Right, because only a guilty verdict can erase the R B Garr Oct 2018 #34
OK Great. I'm glad we're in agreement. Let's wait for the verdict and revisit it at that time. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #36
Hasn't Manafort pled guilty already?? So that hasn't R B Garr Oct 2018 #38
Nope. We'll wait for the guilty verdict just like you said. Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #41
It makes sense that you are ignoring the guilty verdicts in R B Garr Oct 2018 #43
It is the situation that was nuanced back in 2011-2012. lapucelle Oct 2018 #56
If you aren't comfortable with the truth, I understand your position. irresistable Oct 2018 #9
BULL.. That in no way means that poster "is not comfortable Cha Oct 2018 #12
Well, then the poster is saying that Bernie is either a liar, or Pro-Putin. irresistable Oct 2018 #14
Doesn't mean the poster "is not comfortable with the truth". Cha Oct 2018 #15
It does to me, but I can understand why someone who thinks that Bernie is lying might disagree... irresistable Oct 2018 #16
Not to me. Cha Oct 2018 #17
None of this whitewashing will change the context of the Russian's R B Garr Oct 2018 #19
I'm tired of people attacking people who are on our side... irresistable Oct 2018 #20
False narratives about Democrats are also foolish. That's why R B Garr Oct 2018 #22
sigh irresistable Oct 2018 #24
I've been sighing for a few years now. R B Garr Oct 2018 #26
Thanks R B.. I just cross posted your Yahoo Headline.. Cha Oct 2018 #40
Thanks Cha! Good to see you. I am phone typing R B Garr Oct 2018 #44
"...headlines that diminish Democrats. That is the context they are presented." Cha Oct 2018 #60
The problem is, your Yahoo! headline is a lie. Bernie responded to the question Autumn Oct 2018 #45
It's not *my* Yahoo headline, but thanks for the compliment R B Garr Oct 2018 #46
No matter who wrote it no matter who posted it or is pushing it, the headline is a lie. Autumn Oct 2018 #47
You didn't post "facts", you posted your spin on what he R B Garr Oct 2018 #48
The facts are in the video, what Bernie said IS in the video I posted. That's not spin, it's facts. Autumn Oct 2018 #49
Bernie said "rude and disrupting activities" R B Garr Oct 2018 #50
He answered a specific question. Autumn Oct 2018 #51
That was not the only example (dining). If you omit the rest of R B Garr Oct 2018 #52
... lapucelle Oct 2018 #62
When anyone votes with the 2 or 4 in an incredibly lopsided vote, it is always about principle irresistable Oct 2018 #65
Ya think?! Bernie is one of the most reliable Democratic votes in the Senate. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #37
+1000 mountain grammy Oct 2018 #54
Wow, ABC really is nothing but fake news! Autumn Oct 2018 #2
Yep. It's not primary season yet... fallout87 Oct 2018 #3
Yes, it would be catastrophic if Bernie ran as an Independent and split the Democratic vote. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #39
Enough riding on the D coattails Bfd Oct 2018 #4
If you are that bothered Devil Child Oct 2018 #10
Seriously. What good does... SMC22307 Oct 2018 #21
It is an opportunity to start a Bernie bash thread of course Devil Child Oct 2018 #30
Many here often point out when someone or a group says something question everything Oct 2018 #53
Yayyyy! Newland56 Oct 2018 #29
BS started it when he insulted the Democratic Party Cha Oct 2018 #35
IKR!! Amazing isn't it? Time to unite. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #42
Stating that a major network cannot keep track of facts question everything Oct 2018 #55
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