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In reply to the discussion: Hey, ABC This Week, Sanders is not (D) Vermont [View all]lapucelle
(18,441 posts)56. It is the situation that was nuanced back in 2011-2012.
The Magnitsky Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2012, but it followed a rocky and ultimately failed attempt by the administration to reset relations with Russia after a longstanding adversarial relationship.
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[T]he Obama administration, with Clinton as Secretary of State, was actively trying to normalize relations with Russia, hoping Putins predecessor Dmitry Medvedev would serve as a moderating force. Part of that effort included hesitation by the administration to pass the Magnitsky Act.
Although in hindsight its clear the effort was doomed to fail, it seemed to start optimistically (despite prescient warnings from Russian critics of Putin, like chess champion Gary Kasparov). Medvedev and Obama hammered out an arms agreement in 2010. The Russians allowed the Americans to fly through their airspace to reach Afghanistan.
During this time, the Obama administration was criticized for its inaction on the Magnitsky Act a move they feared would scuttle reset efforts.
Although in hindsight its clear the effort was doomed to fail, it seemed to start optimistically (despite prescient warnings from Russian critics of Putin, like chess champion Gary Kasparov). Medvedev and Obama hammered out an arms agreement in 2010. The Russians allowed the Americans to fly through their airspace to reach Afghanistan.
During this time, the Obama administration was criticized for its inaction on the Magnitsky Act a move they feared would scuttle reset efforts.
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In 2011-2012, Secretary Clinton was working to advance the administration's policy goals. (That's what Secretaries of State do.) It should be noted, however, that
Mrs. Clintons spokesman said she took aggressive steps on human-rights abuses in Russia and personally acted to impose a ban on travel to the U.S. by several dozen officials believed to have been involved in Magnitskys death. Sponsors of the congressional legislation said the move, coming in 2011, was a major step, but that it didnt go far enough.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-bill-clinton-russia-sanctions-speech/
Furthermore,
Kerry himself contests Browders account. Bill Browder is a passionate and effective advocate and we all give him huge credit for honoring Sergei Magnitskys life and work by making sure the bill bearing his name became law, Kerry said in an email to FP. But he just happens to be wrong or misinformed about my role or my reasons for proceeding as we did.
The legislation moved quickly through his committee, according to Kerry. At no point did I stall the bill, he wrote. Compared to other legislation at the time, the Magnitsky Act became law pretty darn swiftly.
The legislation moved quickly through his committee, according to Kerry. At no point did I stall the bill, he wrote. Compared to other legislation at the time, the Magnitsky Act became law pretty darn swiftly.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/enemy-of-the-state-putin-russia-magnitsky-sanctions-veselnitskaya/
No such nuance existed in 2017 when BS voted against the bill's renewal.
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The voting on the Magnitsky Act was more nuanced. Hillary,Kerry and Obama were against it.
Power 2 the People
Oct 2018
#6
No whitewashing. Bernie agreed with President Obama,Hillary Clinton and John Kerry
Power 2 the People
Oct 2018
#8
No, Hillary, Kerry, and Obama supported the FINAL bill. Only Bernie, of the progressives,
pnwmom
Oct 2018
#11
Are you saying these Democrats aren't progressives? They all voted NO for the same reason
Power 2 the People
Oct 2018
#13
OK. I guess I'll have to take your word for it and wait until Mueller's report is released.
Power 2 the People
Oct 2018
#33
OK Great. I'm glad we're in agreement. Let's wait for the verdict and revisit it at that time.
Power 2 the People
Oct 2018
#36
Well, then the poster is saying that Bernie is either a liar, or Pro-Putin.
irresistable
Oct 2018
#14
It does to me, but I can understand why someone who thinks that Bernie is lying might disagree...
irresistable
Oct 2018
#16
No matter who wrote it no matter who posted it or is pushing it, the headline is a lie.
Autumn
Oct 2018
#47
The facts are in the video, what Bernie said IS in the video I posted. That's not spin, it's facts.
Autumn
Oct 2018
#49
When anyone votes with the 2 or 4 in an incredibly lopsided vote, it is always about principle
irresistable
Oct 2018
#65
Ya think?! Bernie is one of the most reliable Democratic votes in the Senate.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Oct 2018
#37
Yes, it would be catastrophic if Bernie ran as an Independent and split the Democratic vote.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Oct 2018
#39