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Hortensis

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15. America's biggest zionist support groups are ALL Christian, mainly
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 03:30 PM
Mar 2019

conservative, and militantly aggressive. The more conservative and/or religious the group, the more committed to maintaining a Jewish state in the holy lands. The return of Jews to the promised land is foretold in the New Testament of the Bible as a precursor to Jesus's Second Coming and God's Kingdom.

In this era, the Christian right is a huge power in the Republican Party and out of it, and their people have been appointed and elected to hundreds of positions in the federal government alone.

I don't know how AIPAC, which also promotes shamelessly conservative policies, stacks up to just the Southern Baptist Convention, for instance, but they're not even in the same league of influence. Notably, though, the big Christian/Republican blocs' commitment to support for Israel isn't evaluated in terms of money and very, very rarely discussed. (Must be somewhere.)

However, for comparison, donations from conservative zionist Jews Sheldon and Miriam Adelson have been intensively covered, though (they're Jewish and their intentions declared), but where these two alone put their money to work for militant, conservative zionism is very indicative. Hint: Not small-potatoes AIPAC.

In 2018, these pro-Israel groups (including AIPAC) spent about $5 million on direct lobbying efforts beyond campaign contributions; pro-Saudi groups, for a rough contrast, spent $19 million from the beginning of 2017 until October 2018. ...

AIPAC’s (ENTIRE) lobbying and campaign contributions have been much less than the huge influx of cash into US politics from mega-donors Sheldon Adelson and his wife, Miriam... (ALONE. Again, other Republicans' and church groups' contributions not even theorized about.)

They were the largest donors in the 2018 midterm elections with $123 million, all of that to Republican political action committees that then funneled millions to incumbents in tough races. Adelson-controlled entities gave $55 million to the Congressional Leadership Fund, for example, which spent $126 million running ads against Democrats such as Wisconsin’s Randy”IronStache” Bryche.

https://qz.com/1547435/the-numbers-behind-ilhan-omars-aipac-tweet/


As I said on another thread, Israel could shoot Americans down in the streets of Tel Aviv and, like Trump, "get away with" it. Nothing would cause our Christian/Republican powers to withdraw support from Israel, certainly not the anti-Muslim activities of the Israeli conservatives that our conservatives' money and influence help keep in power.
And now we introduce you to the concept of bundling Recursion Mar 2019 #1
that's an interesting reply. Mosby Mar 2019 #2
And the NRA spent less than AIPAC Recursion Mar 2019 #5
WTF are you talking about? leftynyc Mar 2019 #7
$862,000 in contributions from the NRA last cycle Recursion Mar 2019 #9
And you don't count the contributions leftynyc Mar 2019 #11
I said, $862K. Very small by lobbying standards. Recursion Mar 2019 #16
I have no idea where you're getting your numbers leftynyc Mar 2019 #20
Ah, I see your confusion. There are two categories of spending opensecrets tracks Recursion Mar 2019 #27
Are you counting the contributions that AIPAC makes to candidates. Blue_true Mar 2019 #39
There is simply no comparison leftynyc Mar 2019 #48
I respect your insight and often read your posts. Blue_true Mar 2019 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #8
This is an odd conflation of direct spending with "influence" nt ExciteBike66 Mar 2019 #3
Spending is an obvious way to measure influence. Mosby Mar 2019 #4
Why not try results? ExciteBike66 Mar 2019 #6
what did the chamber spend 1.5 billion on if not infuence, favorable legislation? Mosby Mar 2019 #12
Wouldn't a more accurate example of 'parsing words' be ignoring other forms of influence LanternWaste Mar 2019 #18
Well, you might look at fundraising at events hosted by AIPAC Recursion Mar 2019 #10
Very good point. Blue_true Mar 2019 #40
I mean, there are Israeli lobbies besides AIPAC Recursion Mar 2019 #47
Isn't J Street a liberal leaning group? Blue_true Mar 2019 #54
It is! Recursion Mar 2019 #55
Facts don't matter on DU DavidDvorkin Mar 2019 #13
I also say the same thing when people disagree with me. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #17
It's become open season. I'm sickened. grossproffit Mar 2019 #50
Do beer sellers, accountants, and Toyota attempt to influence US policy toward Israel? Mr. Smith Mar 2019 #14
I was thinking something similar zipplewrath Mar 2019 #21
America's biggest zionist support groups are ALL Christian, mainly Hortensis Mar 2019 #15
Israeli troops did run over an American with a bulldozer, IIRC. maxsolomon Mar 2019 #24
I'd forgotten loong ago. Nothing. But Hortensis Mar 2019 #31
Rachel Corrie atreides1 Mar 2019 #32
Nothing. The soldier ran over her knowing that he would walk Scot free and our politicians Blue_true Mar 2019 #41
Does money donated equal influence? shanny Mar 2019 #19
I don't know, why don't you ask a lobbyist? Mosby Mar 2019 #22
I'm sure those whose living depends on it would never do that. shanny Mar 2019 #23
Progressive Democrats have a solution for America's distrust of politicians: Stop accepting corporat Mosby Mar 2019 #25
Why yes, they do. And those I support do exactly that. shanny Mar 2019 #28
Like lobbyists are going to admit their jobs accomplish nothing. Blue_true Mar 2019 #43
Ask Sen. Paul Simon who played a key role in his 1984 election RandySF Mar 2019 #26
1984? nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #44
Ron Paul? The racist Jew hater? grossproffit Mar 2019 #49
Highly influential if you consider the 127 billion lifetime aid delivered to Israel Devil Child Mar 2019 #29
the US funds the Palestinians as well, about 1.5 billion per year. Mosby Mar 2019 #33
You can always tweet Rep. Omar on that Devil Child Mar 2019 #36
You keep tossing out straw men. Blue_true Mar 2019 #45
I didn't make a strawman argument, I was adding context. Mosby Mar 2019 #46
Incorrect, they have conflated criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism JCMach1 Mar 2019 #30
whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout...nt RandiFan1290 Mar 2019 #34
This article is deceptively misleading. procon Mar 2019 #35
The article addresses the differences in spending and organization of AIPAC vs. PACS Mosby Mar 2019 #37
Why are we quibbling over a dollar amount of bribes paid to corrupt politicians? procon Mar 2019 #38
Both AIPAC and the NRA give money. In various amounts. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #42
We see and understand what you are doing. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #51
Who is "we"? Are you threatening me? What is it that you think you "understand"? Mosby Mar 2019 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #56
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