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Honeycombe8

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16. Because in the real world, it matters what real consequences there are to actions one takes.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:30 PM
Apr 2019

Trump can't be removed from office. That's the crux of the issue. He can only be impeached for the sake of history. That does not mean he shouldn't be impeached. It is either right or wrong to impeach him, whether he can be removed or not. But the fact that the criminal can't be removed, must be considered.

Since he can't be removed, would filing impeachment papers increase his chances to get re-elected, thereby endangering the country more than if he hadn't been impeached? If so, that is something to consider.

There's no way to know for sure. But the discussion and the thought process needs to happen by a group of experienced lawmakers. All consequences need to be considered. Lots of what-ifs. Lots of heated discussions. That has to happen. That's how you arrive at a consensus.

I'm not saying whether one way is better than another. I don't have the benefit of sitting at a round table with experienced lawmakers to hash out all the concerns and weigh the choices against the consequences, and the obligation to impeach at the heart of it all.

But sometimes in life, you have to forego doing what is "right" at this time, so that something "right" can happen later. That may not be the case...that impeachment helps Trump. But it must be considered. History must be reviewed.

In the end, the consensus of our leaders may be that impeachment is the right thing to do, with no consideration to what the future may hold. That's why we elect these leaders. To make these hard decisions, using their education, wisdom, and experience.

One or the other of these: elleng Apr 2019 #1
Well spoken! We must play the long game Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #6
Because if law and morality were the issue, impeachment would be done by the Supreme Court. marylandblue Apr 2019 #2
No, SCOTUS is not an investigative body, which Congress is. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #18
"high crimes and misdemeanors" is a term of art from the British Parliament marylandblue Apr 2019 #19
Playing 5th dimensional chess is why Democrats lose. qdouble Apr 2019 #3
But we are not loosing. The momentum is on our side! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #7
That must be why there was a blue wave in 2018. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #9
Trump being unpopular had a lot to do with it. qdouble Apr 2019 #11
I don't know...but I think.. stillcool Apr 2019 #4
Political calculation dumbcat Apr 2019 #5
The timing is what is in question nini Apr 2019 #8
Impeachment in the House doesn't mean removal by the Senate sop Apr 2019 #17
Winning is a politiical act in 20 and we take no risks that could hurt us. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #10
Other than letting the person who's lawyer says "there's nothing wrong with gettin help from Russia" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20
Investigate like crazy... just don't impeach. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22
It makes no sense not to impeach, there's no good arguments against it that are clear cut uponit7771 Apr 2019 #23
I'm no fan of Donald Trump either, but WSSlover Apr 2019 #12
I'll take my chances gratuitous Apr 2019 #13
Because it's an inherently political action Codeine Apr 2019 #14
The BIG question: Is the 2020 election a sure thing for Democrats? VOX Apr 2019 #15
Not when Rudy G says "It's OK to get help from Russia" !!! How can we trust that !!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #21
Because in the real world, it matters what real consequences there are to actions one takes. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #16
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