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36. This is why we lost big in 2010

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 03:30 AM

Oct 2021

Progressives attacked the ACA because it wasn't enough, and helped to feed the media narrative about the "problems" with it,. Never mind that the ACA was a huge improvement, and ended up helping a lot of people. Even conservatives like it now (as long as you don't refer to it as Obamacare).

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Ocasio-Cortez Would Vote Against Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill Over Climate Change [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP

I would too. Without a plan to stop climate change, literally nothing else matters budkin Oct 2021 #1

Without DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES, no stopping climate change. Hortensis Oct 2021 #38

We have a Democratic majority. KPN Oct 2021 #56

:) Against all evidence? Come on, KPN. Hortensis Oct 2021 #57

And yet, we don't themaguffin Oct 2021 #67

I don't see how anyone with half a brain can ethically vote to increase U.S. climate emissions, Autumn Oct 2021 #2

So, she's the villain and Bettie Oct 2021 #8

I don't have one problem with her "taking her ball and going home" . This planet is Autumn Oct 2021 #11

Apparently some people think that Bettie Oct 2021 #13

And we may not get the ball for years...so I have a problem with anyone who votes no on this bill... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #65

You bet we won't have the ball for years. Come to think of it we wont have a damn thing unless Autumn Oct 2021 #69

So if we can't get everything on climate CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #76

And when the GOP is back in charge which will Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #44

I think when the GOP is back in charge there's a couple of Dems you can blame. But it wont be on Autumn Oct 2021 #58

And there we have it again...blame. It is not about blame. You could argue that Manchin is Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #68

gonna take my ball and go home boo hoo hoo nt msongs Oct 2021 #3

Um what? Of everything in the bill Javaman Oct 2021 #6

Sorry everything in it DOES have meaning CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #77

like I said, I will take my ball and go home. Javaman Oct 2021 #79

It isn't going to pass under this bill. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #84

That's why the Republicans beat our ass a lot of times. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #10

Good for her. She is right. Global warming is the number one existential threat to KPN Oct 2021 #4

And? How will her actions help in any way. We don't have Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #45

They already have helped. We wouldn't even have the current KPN Oct 2021 #59

I don't doubt that but how does refusing to vote for what has been negotiated help? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #61

All or nothing. nt sheshe2 Oct 2021 #5

What? That's quite an exaggeration. KPN Oct 2021 #7

Is it? sheshe2 Oct 2021 #21

Yes. Disaffected Oct 2021 #32

We shall see, now won't we. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #33

That is what it is exactly. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #46

All was $7 bn. Compromise was $3.5 bn dpibel Oct 2021 #18

It's always the fault of the progressives wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #28

It is not a matter of fault...you work you butt off to get what you can...and then you compromise Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #62

"Better than nothing" doesn't get us votes wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #66

Nothing sure as shit doesn't get us votes. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #78

"If we fall then you fall" is how you negotiate with bad actors wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #82

Who cares? CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #83

This is about pressure, not optics wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #85

But you just commented on the optics CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #86

Wow, and I just told you the leverage wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #88

Again what leverage? CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #89

The threat to walk from the BIF wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #90

You know, she has the right idea and all, ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #9

This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #12

Have you seen what's happening on the Reconciliation bill? Bettie Oct 2021 #15

Wouldn't be surprised TheFarseer Oct 2021 #30

Come on, it's a Democratic product. 100%. Hortensis Oct 2021 #39

No, that's Republicans. betsuni Oct 2021 #42

There is still good stuff in the bill. You want better. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #47

What is still in it? Bettie Oct 2021 #49

Google is your friend...we don't know for certain what survives...but everything in that bill is Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #70

That is not going to be true...there is good stuff in that bill. It is a start. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #63

Noble but shortsighted. honest.abe Oct 2021 #14

Like you said, we might lose in 2022. totodeinhere Oct 2021 #23

The republicans will be happy to restore their committees bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #25

That approach will just make matters worse. honest.abe Oct 2021 #31

There is no way to do it now. We need to get something Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #48

I like it. Why should they vote on a 3 trillion bill with no text? Groundhawg Oct 2021 #16

Enough with the grandstanding BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #17

Tell that to Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #29

How is AOC withholding her vote different exactly? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #50

With only a three vote margin in the House we can't afford to lose many Democratic totodeinhere Oct 2021 #19

With this 3 vote margin, and this Democratic House, - its very difficult to pass anything. empedocles Oct 2021 #22

And a 50-50 senate bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #26

Good For Her WHITT Oct 2021 #20

Are you referring to the Senate bill that got kelly1mm Oct 2021 #34

Yep WHITT Oct 2021 #37

"...most of them didn't read"?! Hortensis Oct 2021 #40

Which Is Why WHITT Oct 2021 #53

I wish we had more elected officials stillcool Oct 2021 #24

Exactly. Well said. KPN Oct 2021 #60

Good wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #27

I disagree with single issue voters twin_ghost Oct 2021 #35

I do too. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #51

This is why we lost big in 2010 dansolo Oct 2021 #36

Good. She fucking rocks. Celerity Oct 2021 #41

Ocasio-Cortez did not work on any of the complex climate provisions Hortensis Oct 2021 #43

+ 100000 Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #52

Informed, overlooked point. TY empedocles Oct 2021 #54

The pressure is NEVER on the conservative Dems. aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #55

There is no way to pressure them. If they get a bill they like good...if they don't get a bill still Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #64

You have to admire her. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #71

I don't Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #72

I think people are feed up with corporatists having the last word, watering down everything. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #73

I think people are feed up with corporatists having the last word, watering down everything. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #74

You seem to think shes doomed to fail, im confident a bill will pass. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #75

Thanks, dad. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #81

This or no bill manicdem Oct 2021 #80

Good, cause this version of the bill is garbage. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #87