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KPN

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59. They already have helped. We wouldn't even have the current

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:05 AM

Oct 2021

proposal without her and the progressive caucus. Biden is meeting with House Dems today — that wouldn’t happen without hard positions voiced by progressives. The bill won’t be finalized today or even this week because progressives aren’t collapsing in the face of the old school. That all helps in the long run … and it helps the Ds in the long run.

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Ocasio-Cortez Would Vote Against Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill Over Climate Change [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP

I would too. Without a plan to stop climate change, literally nothing else matters budkin Oct 2021 #1

Without DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES, no stopping climate change. Hortensis Oct 2021 #38

We have a Democratic majority. KPN Oct 2021 #56

:) Against all evidence? Come on, KPN. Hortensis Oct 2021 #57

And yet, we don't themaguffin Oct 2021 #67

I don't see how anyone with half a brain can ethically vote to increase U.S. climate emissions, Autumn Oct 2021 #2

So, she's the villain and Bettie Oct 2021 #8

I don't have one problem with her "taking her ball and going home" . This planet is Autumn Oct 2021 #11

Apparently some people think that Bettie Oct 2021 #13

And we may not get the ball for years...so I have a problem with anyone who votes no on this bill... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #65

You bet we won't have the ball for years. Come to think of it we wont have a damn thing unless Autumn Oct 2021 #69

So if we can't get everything on climate CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #76

And when the GOP is back in charge which will Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #44

I think when the GOP is back in charge there's a couple of Dems you can blame. But it wont be on Autumn Oct 2021 #58

And there we have it again...blame. It is not about blame. You could argue that Manchin is Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #68

gonna take my ball and go home boo hoo hoo nt msongs Oct 2021 #3

Um what? Of everything in the bill Javaman Oct 2021 #6

Sorry everything in it DOES have meaning CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #77

like I said, I will take my ball and go home. Javaman Oct 2021 #79

It isn't going to pass under this bill. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #84

That's why the Republicans beat our ass a lot of times. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #10

Good for her. She is right. Global warming is the number one existential threat to KPN Oct 2021 #4

And? How will her actions help in any way. We don't have Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #45

They already have helped. We wouldn't even have the current KPN Oct 2021 #59

I don't doubt that but how does refusing to vote for what has been negotiated help? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #61

All or nothing. nt sheshe2 Oct 2021 #5

What? That's quite an exaggeration. KPN Oct 2021 #7

Is it? sheshe2 Oct 2021 #21

Yes. Disaffected Oct 2021 #32

We shall see, now won't we. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #33

That is what it is exactly. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #46

All was $7 bn. Compromise was $3.5 bn dpibel Oct 2021 #18

It's always the fault of the progressives wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #28

It is not a matter of fault...you work you butt off to get what you can...and then you compromise Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #62

"Better than nothing" doesn't get us votes wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #66

Nothing sure as shit doesn't get us votes. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #78

"If we fall then you fall" is how you negotiate with bad actors wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #82

Who cares? CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #83

This is about pressure, not optics wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #85

But you just commented on the optics CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #86

Wow, and I just told you the leverage wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #88

Again what leverage? CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #89

The threat to walk from the BIF wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #90

You know, she has the right idea and all, ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #9

This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #12

Have you seen what's happening on the Reconciliation bill? Bettie Oct 2021 #15

Wouldn't be surprised TheFarseer Oct 2021 #30

Come on, it's a Democratic product. 100%. Hortensis Oct 2021 #39

No, that's Republicans. betsuni Oct 2021 #42

There is still good stuff in the bill. You want better. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #47

What is still in it? Bettie Oct 2021 #49

Google is your friend...we don't know for certain what survives...but everything in that bill is Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #70

That is not going to be true...there is good stuff in that bill. It is a start. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #63

Noble but shortsighted. honest.abe Oct 2021 #14

Like you said, we might lose in 2022. totodeinhere Oct 2021 #23

The republicans will be happy to restore their committees bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #25

That approach will just make matters worse. honest.abe Oct 2021 #31

There is no way to do it now. We need to get something Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #48

I like it. Why should they vote on a 3 trillion bill with no text? Groundhawg Oct 2021 #16

Enough with the grandstanding BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #17

Tell that to Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #29

How is AOC withholding her vote different exactly? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #50

With only a three vote margin in the House we can't afford to lose many Democratic totodeinhere Oct 2021 #19

With this 3 vote margin, and this Democratic House, - its very difficult to pass anything. empedocles Oct 2021 #22

And a 50-50 senate bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #26

Good For Her WHITT Oct 2021 #20

Are you referring to the Senate bill that got kelly1mm Oct 2021 #34

Yep WHITT Oct 2021 #37

"...most of them didn't read"?! Hortensis Oct 2021 #40

Which Is Why WHITT Oct 2021 #53

I wish we had more elected officials stillcool Oct 2021 #24

Exactly. Well said. KPN Oct 2021 #60

Good wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #27

I disagree with single issue voters twin_ghost Oct 2021 #35

I do too. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #51

This is why we lost big in 2010 dansolo Oct 2021 #36

Good. She fucking rocks. Celerity Oct 2021 #41

Ocasio-Cortez did not work on any of the complex climate provisions Hortensis Oct 2021 #43

+ 100000 Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #52

Informed, overlooked point. TY empedocles Oct 2021 #54

The pressure is NEVER on the conservative Dems. aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #55

There is no way to pressure them. If they get a bill they like good...if they don't get a bill still Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #64

You have to admire her. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #71

I don't Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #72

I think people are feed up with corporatists having the last word, watering down everything. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #73

I think people are feed up with corporatists having the last word, watering down everything. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #74

You seem to think shes doomed to fail, im confident a bill will pass. Mr. Sparkle Oct 2021 #75

Thanks, dad. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #81

This or no bill manicdem Oct 2021 #80

Good, cause this version of the bill is garbage. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #87