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Coventina

(27,121 posts)
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 07:03 PM Dec 2022

In a few days, thousands of US Citizens will be without any water supply. (And that's a good thing! [View all]

I'll try to be brief, but this is actually a decades long story.

To the north of Scottsdale, AZ, there are the McDowell mountains. They are completely arid, no groundwater, springs, rivers, or streams.

It is not part of the city of Scottsdale, it is an un-incorporated area. On purpose. They have, for decades, refused to incorporate themselves, or join the city of Scottsdale. They don't want "big gubmint" telling them what to do.

For decades, they have paid trucking companies to haul water from Scottsdale out to them. They have been getting Scottsdale treated and subsidized water without paying any Scottsdale city taxes.

For over a decade, Scottsdale has been warning them that they need to either join Scottsdale, or find another source of water. They have refused to do either. Dec. 31st, Scottsdale water taps will be closed to them. They are freaking out. "Gov't can't do this to us!!!"

What government? They've refused to have any!

They have done NO preparation.

Now they will find out the consequences of unregulated growth.

Good.

One out there is a horse breeder. How he's going to water those horses heaven only knows.

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They want what the government provides, but they don't want to pay taxes. Aristus Dec 2022 #1
Sums it right up, Aristus. calimary Dec 2022 #106
They can moove to Texas Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #2
I just don't understand how stupid took over my country. lindysalsagal Dec 2022 #3
Me either and I keep trying, but failing. It's so discouraging. Biophilic Dec 2022 #12
It started RocRizzo55 Dec 2022 #95
Right. The moronic movie star who first made stupid seem acceptable. lindysalsagal Dec 2022 #105
Well said. bronxiteforever Dec 2022 #13
Not stupid. Selfishness and greed. I am surprised the city didn't pull the trigger on that sooner. Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #26
100% Agree! They should have stopped pampering them long before now. Shipwack Dec 2022 #101
Why did the state allow so much constriction in areas womanofthehills Dec 2022 #119
Ah, you have tapped in (pardon the pun) to soldierant Dec 2022 #123
been here quite awhile . trump brought it into the open AllaN01Bear Dec 2022 #34
Before the Trump years, I underestimated how much stupid there really is in America. GoodRaisin Dec 2022 #67
Social media lowered the barrier to entry for allowing the crazy to spread. NYC Liberal Dec 2022 #89
It Happened whilst we Liberals cactusdave Dec 2022 #92
Golly, what a shame for them ... Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #4
This is what will probably happen. Although the trucking companies have warned Coventina Dec 2022 #5
Those poor wingnuts out there ... I hope their stupid cost them a FORTUNE ... Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #24
How populated?? n/t Quakerfriend Dec 2022 #6
Approximately 5000 people. About 2000 households. Coventina Dec 2022 #9
Forgive my stupid question: How does someone live on trucked-in water? Does it go to some central allegorical oracle Dec 2022 #81
No, each home has a storage tank. Coventina Dec 2022 #85
Thanks for the reply. Clearly, this is not sustainable. Some party will have to yield. allegorical oracle Dec 2022 #113
Out in the west, lots of people have water storage tanks womanofthehills Dec 2022 #120
Oh that's interesting. I'm not on municipal water here in Fla., but my well pumps spring allegorical oracle Dec 2022 #140
Sounds like Scottsdale will count them as part of their federally mandated water consumption cut. roamer65 Dec 2022 #7
Yep. And those guys made it a really easy decision. nt Coventina Dec 2022 #8
Ah, libertarians orthoclad Dec 2022 #10
No - many of these subdivisions have a political mix womanofthehills Dec 2022 #121
Well, this particular place orthoclad Dec 2022 #131
Bootstraps. Start pulling fuckers. nt Hotler Dec 2022 #11
I thought Cave Creek and Carefree were what was North of Scottsdale EX500rider Dec 2022 #14
Carefree and Cave Creek are west of Rio Verde Foothills. StarryNite Dec 2022 #39
"Rio Verde"? And bone dry? soldierant Dec 2022 #125
Arizona? Traildogbob Dec 2022 #15
Reminds of one of my favorite movies that's on my see-again soon list! Abolishinist Dec 2022 #16
Yep, I live here. That's my exact reference not fooled Dec 2022 #94
MAGA Moochers. kairos12 Dec 2022 #17
I found this interesting, Abolishinist Dec 2022 #18
Lot's of development all around Phoenix. Can't be supported. Here's an archived copy erronis Dec 2022 #20
That's the one!! n/t Coventina Dec 2022 #21
Thanks for the link. Wow, those fuckwits have pools to exercise their horses. In the desert. SunSeeker Dec 2022 #59
I know! Abolishinist Dec 2022 #65
I've been following that story. How much value in a 'no water" home? BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #19
Apparently quite a bit.... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #35
They are still building homes out there - huge homes womanofthehills Dec 2022 #118
interesting. Thank you. yes, laws need to stop building where no water. BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #135
Found a couple articles on this BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #22
It'll come to bloodshed before too long. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #37
Many of us from the east BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #69
I saw this coming 40 years ago. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #71
Yes, markodochartaigh Dec 2022 #72
the courts will make the city of Scottsdale supply water to those that has been republianmushroom Dec 2022 #23
On what legal basis? n/t Coventina Dec 2022 #25
no legal bases, humanitarian bases, it is a crisis and they have been getting their republianmushroom Dec 2022 #27
Yes, you're right. StarryNite Dec 2022 #41
They have been warned for years and years and years that this was coming. Coventina Dec 2022 #48
That's cold! No family in the US should be without water womanofthehills Dec 2022 #122
See post 29. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #42
A Court TRO could change that. StarryNite Dec 2022 #45
I doubt it. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #53
You don't know what you don't know. StarryNite Dec 2022 #55
But the thing is, you DO know. The hauled water doesn't magically show up. Coventina Dec 2022 #56
I don't know... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #58
Oh I totally agree. I would leave this godforsaken place tomorrow if I could Coventina Dec 2022 #61
"I want to leave so bad!!!!" BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #76
meh, rather have scorpions than poison ivy Kali Dec 2022 #107
... BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #108
I know people who have lived StarryNite Dec 2022 #62
I know them too. My husband's best friend lives up there, so we go there a lot. Coventina Dec 2022 #64
Yeah, that would be good Bettie Dec 2022 #66
Yes it is a beautiful area. StarryNite Dec 2022 #99
I have to admit that I'm dumbfounded by the idea they couldn't know. Coventina Dec 2022 #102
Shower at the gym, wash your clothes at the laundromat... hunter Dec 2022 #128
They have been given warnings for YEARS AND YEARS!!! Coventina Dec 2022 #47
Scottsdale decides what to charge for the water the trucks are hauling questionseverything Dec 2022 #60
They are not allowed to charge the true cost of the water, Coventina Dec 2022 #63
Then Scottsdale water costs are being subsidized? Lasher Dec 2022 #98
Subsidized by the taxpayers of Scottsdale, yes. n/t Coventina Dec 2022 #100
Can you provide a link? questionseverything Dec 2022 #111
Gotta help the poor, destitute rich people, right? SunSeeker Dec 2022 #57
If the courts can do that, soldierant Dec 2022 #126
I doubt that. They may force the group to incorporate and implement grantcart Dec 2022 #80
Freedom! rubbersole Dec 2022 #28
I saw this story a while back on CBS mornings (video) Raine1967 Dec 2022 #29
VERY interesting... thanks! Abolishinist Dec 2022 #68
So the question is people or lettuce. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #79
Factory farm dairy is the worst. hunter Dec 2022 #83
Dairy farming is 100% socialism. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #116
I love that gag. Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #112
Steven Wright uses it in one of his bits The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #115
There was a restaurant near where I live that had a can on the shelf Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #127
Yea, it is just plain funny. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #138
Thank you for sharing. ChazII Dec 2022 #82
Interesting . . . Evapotranspiration has greatly increased in the CO basin Strelnikov_ Dec 2022 #86
I feel bad for the children and animals. róisín_dubh Dec 2022 #30
To the east of Scottsdale is Fountain Hills, a very rich community. I had to go there some years panader0 Dec 2022 #31
This is going to be a tragedy because they are stupid, crazy phucks. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #32
What a mess. And wildcat builders are building still more. halfulglas Dec 2022 #33
Scottsdale is still issuing building permits on a very large scale. StarryNite Dec 2022 #38
It's that "pioneer spirit". SergeStorms Dec 2022 #43
There are way too many people here. StarryNite Dec 2022 #46
They're building one in central New York as well. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #54
What kind of idiot has a horse farm that needs to have water trucked in? Coventina Dec 2022 #50
There is more to this situation. StarryNite Dec 2022 #36
Sounds like they didn't do their research or keep informed on their situation. Coventina Dec 2022 #49
The well they were on is still producing. StarryNite Dec 2022 #103
that 100 year water guarantee is pretty much bullshit anyway Kali Dec 2022 #110
Same thing in rural NM womanofthehills Dec 2022 #124
Unincorporated land puts them under the jurisdiction of the county. Sogo Dec 2022 #40
Arizona mulls piping in water from Mexico as Colorado River continues decline Sogo Dec 2022 #44
how can Scottsdale shut off the water if they aren't providing it? Takket Dec 2022 #51
Yes. The trucking companies will no longer be allowed to use Scottsdale's taps. n/t Coventina Dec 2022 #52
Why not just charge them a higher price for the water? oldsoftie Dec 2022 #91
See my post above, #63. Coventina Dec 2022 #93
Well thats ridiculous. I'm in GA. And some people I refer to bitch too oldsoftie Dec 2022 #133
Watch Season 3 of Goliath Karma13612 Dec 2022 #70
Shows that don't markodochartaigh Dec 2022 #74
There ya go! Karma13612 Dec 2022 #77
With only one season markodochartaigh Dec 2022 #84
Oh thank you! Karma13612 Dec 2022 #136
Terrific series. Liberal In Texas Dec 2022 #75
Ah! Did not know that. Karma13612 Dec 2022 #78
What network has Goliath? SouthernDem4ever Dec 2022 #90
It wasn't on regular TV Karma13612 Dec 2022 #137
They fear socialist water. Emile Dec 2022 #73
Building so many large cities in dry regions is never cstanleytech Dec 2022 #87
Arizonians may have to start designing waterless golf courses. halfulglas Dec 2022 #88
what about fire insurance not a texan Dec 2022 #96
"Planners" know how to get water for more subdivisions not fooled Dec 2022 #97
Mayor Lane said he had no intention of cutting off the water to RVF. StarryNite Dec 2022 #104
Mayor Jim Lane was a MAGAt of the highest order. Coventina Dec 2022 #109
What's great about this story is if those states don't find some kind of solution, Mother Nature wil Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #114
We started a petition 30 years ago to get city water Racygrandma Dec 2022 #117
How unfair and are the people who are truly paying the bills for the water that they get SWBTATTReg Dec 2022 #129
Gravy suckers. Fuck 'em. Time to "Pony Up." Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #130
If the predictions for the Colorado River are accurate sarisataka Dec 2022 #132
The San Carlos Apache Tribe has contracted to provide water to these homes ripcord Dec 2022 #134
As a resident of a coastal town in SoCal, let me put forth the following. Abolishinist Dec 2022 #139
Even if they cut agriculture it shouldn't help the costal areas. ripcord Dec 2022 #142
Plenty of cactus in that area.... They're good. Chakaconcarne Dec 2022 #141
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