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In reply to the discussion: So I'm going to put this concept to rest... [View all]yagotme
(2,985 posts)94. Well, I was using this definition of counter battery, the one I learned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-battery_fire
YOUR definition, IS Iron Dome.
Hit ratio of .82 for AIM120. Iron Dome missile, 2012, rated at .9. That means for every 100 Hamas missiles, 10 gets through. How many missiles does Hamas fire in a week? EVERY week?
Hamas/friends launch rockets from civilian areas, disappear into their tunnels, Israel bombs site, and Israel is blamed for bombing civilian area. This board has been going back and forth on this general topic since the 7th. Did you miss all that?
So what? Other than blaming Israel for genocide/civilian deaths/bombing hospitals? World opinion started taking a dive after the hospital event, until it was found that it wasn't an Israeli device. Must have missed that one, too.
Yes, I'm serious. Tell Hamas to quit launching missiles, attacking Israeli civilians, let the hostages go, and then we'll see what happens. If that happens, then Israel has no real reason to invade/bomb Gaza now, do they. Like a drunk in a bar fight, they keep swinging, even when they don't have a chance, and keep getting knocked to the ground, because, reasons, masculinity, dogma, whatever. Hamas has vowed to destroy Israel, at ALL costs. Including their civilian population. If you haven't figured that out by now, I don't know what else to say.
Counter-battery fire (sometimes called counter-fire) is a battlefield tactic employed to defeat the enemy's indirect fire elements (multiple rocket launchers, artillery and mortars), including their target acquisition, as well as their command and control components. Counter-battery arrangements and responsibilities vary between nations but involve target acquisition, planning and control, and counter-fire. Counter-battery fire rose to prominence in World War I.
Counter-battery radar detects incoming indirect fire and calculates its point of origin. That location data can be sent by a communications link to friendly forces, who can then fire on the enemy positions, hopefully before they can reposition (the "scoot" part of shoot-and-scoot tactics). Counter-RAM systems track incoming rocket, artillery, and mortar fire and attempt to intercept and destroy the projectiles or provide early warning to the target are
Counter-battery radar detects incoming indirect fire and calculates its point of origin. That location data can be sent by a communications link to friendly forces, who can then fire on the enemy positions, hopefully before they can reposition (the "scoot" part of shoot-and-scoot tactics). Counter-RAM systems track incoming rocket, artillery, and mortar fire and attempt to intercept and destroy the projectiles or provide early warning to the target are
YOUR definition, IS Iron Dome.
Hit ratio of .82 for AIM120. Iron Dome missile, 2012, rated at .9. That means for every 100 Hamas missiles, 10 gets through. How many missiles does Hamas fire in a week? EVERY week?
Ive yet to see the world blame Israel for bombing missile sites
Hamas/friends launch rockets from civilian areas, disappear into their tunnels, Israel bombs site, and Israel is blamed for bombing civilian area. This board has been going back and forth on this general topic since the 7th. Did you miss all that?
Yes, some misfired missiles from Hamas misfire and fall on Gaza and people blame them on Israel, so what?
So what? Other than blaming Israel for genocide/civilian deaths/bombing hospitals? World opinion started taking a dive after the hospital event, until it was found that it wasn't an Israeli device. Must have missed that one, too.
In what world do you think missile misfires and or debris would equal what is happening now? Are you serious?
Yes, I'm serious. Tell Hamas to quit launching missiles, attacking Israeli civilians, let the hostages go, and then we'll see what happens. If that happens, then Israel has no real reason to invade/bomb Gaza now, do they. Like a drunk in a bar fight, they keep swinging, even when they don't have a chance, and keep getting knocked to the ground, because, reasons, masculinity, dogma, whatever. Hamas has vowed to destroy Israel, at ALL costs. Including their civilian population. If you haven't figured that out by now, I don't know what else to say.
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I don't wish to argue, but you need to clarify that you do NOT mean Japanese in US internment
hlthe2b
Nov 2023
#3
Come up to 21st century ethics. You're still thinking WWll, the winner defines...
brush
Nov 2023
#24
And if a gov't - say the US - decides to build munitions factories in lower-class areas
erronis
Nov 2023
#48
Killing hundreds of innocent refugees to get two Hamas operatives doesn't seem...
brush
Nov 2023
#25
Intentionally increasing the radicalization of a region and the world is not going to help.
LightBright
Nov 2023
#9
Slaughterhouse Five was the first thing that came into my mind when reading the OP.
progressoid
Nov 2023
#105
so Israel's military and intel weren't able to stop the terrorists on their own soil
bigtree
Nov 2023
#18
Important issues in life are rarely black and white, but varying shades of gray. Are you under the
Chainfire
Nov 2023
#30
My father, who fought Nazis in WWII would beg to differ. The children and mothers trapped do not deserve this
onecaliberal
Nov 2023
#28
It was in the '70's, Summit, N.J. She was, maybe about 50 and she worked in the local movie theater,
3Hotdogs
Nov 2023
#32
Horrifying experience. Did she have a tattoo? In the early 1950s when I was a toddler...
Hekate
Nov 2023
#66
Absolutely and I'm sure to the innocents being killed it doesn't matter at all who started it.
AloeVera
Nov 2023
#125
Please, Please, Please, and Please read Post Number 72. I have tried to explain how historical events are..VERY, VERY
Stuart G
Nov 2023
#74
You may have seen my father over there. He woke screaming a few times a month for
Maru Kitteh
Nov 2023
#91
"I did not once hear the phrase 'innocent German civilians' or 'innocent Japanese civilians'." WHAT?
NCIndie
Nov 2023
#110
Hitler ruled Germany legally and with consent of Germans, no honest person is saying the same for Hamas
uponit7771
Nov 2023
#111
No, not my contention ... Terrorist groups usually don't have constituents maybe zealots
uponit7771
Nov 2023
#126