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ForgedCrank

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141. What, exactly,

Sun Jan 28, 2024, 09:08 PM

Jan 2024

would you recommend? Every deal ever offered with them has been met with refusal of anything that does not include the destruction of Israel. These are people uninterested in deals. They have one goal, and they will not willingly stop. They have not only told the world their position, they have backed it up with terrorism for decades.

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You cannot be providing money and weapons for people who have killed [View all] malaise Jan 2024 OP

Ah yes, more of the virulently anti west sentiment. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #1

I am a virulent anti-imperialist malaise Jan 2024 #2

Proud Boys slogan is "West is best". David__77 Jan 2024 #6

lol well that settles it. I hear they drink water too. tritsofme Jan 2024 #8

Drink water, and are "anti-anti-Western". They are Western chauvinists. David__77 Jan 2024 #10

To be pellucidly clear, IDGAF what they think. tritsofme Jan 2024 #14

There are a lot of chauvinists. Igel Jan 2024 #149

Do you have a citation? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2024 #12

Look it up West is Best is definitely PBs Motto erodriguez Jan 2024 #23

BiBi enid602 Jan 2024 #83

Nobody here likes Bibi, the Israeli Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2024 #152

Yes enid602 Jan 2024 #156

Jim Morrison also said it. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #13

Pointing out that the west doesn't own viva la Jan 2024 #66

The OP has gone well beyond "pointing out" in the thread. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #71

There's nothing so instantly controversial viva la Jan 2024 #77

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does this represent an argument ? stopdiggin Jan 2024 #18

Nah, I had it right the first time. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #7

So all those who live in "the West" who do not agree with your world view are "insane"? madaboutharry Jan 2024 #9

Insane wouldn't be the term I would use. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #15

the blatant mistake is in framing ALL as imperialism stopdiggin Jan 2024 #17

We impose brutal economic embargoes on Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #107

So your answer is stopdiggin Jan 2024 #146

No. My answer is that the situation in the region Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #189

and so the Houthis (and Hamas) have a green light stopdiggin Jan 2024 #191

Nope. Again the Houthis have a legitimate grievance, not a 'green light'. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #192

Should They Be 'Lobbing Missiles' At Passing Merchant Vessels, Sir? The Magistrate Jan 2024 #195

"have tried to eliminate the Shiite population of Yemen." EX500rider Jan 2024 #196

Yet another reason... Bettie Jan 2024 #198

WHAT !!!??? HUAJIAO Jan 2024 #20

So, I guess you don't know the meaning of "virulent"... malthaussen Jan 2024 #41

Let me be pellucidly clear. Hamas and their sympathizers are the scum of the earth. tritsofme Jan 2024 #3

And what of the civilian population amongst whom Hamas hides and recruits? 0rganism Jan 2024 #44

The world awaits the superior battle plan that prevents fucking TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #57

In the meantime I guess we just sit back and accept that a lot of folks have to get fucked, yeah? 0rganism Jan 2024 #88

Yes, there is no magic wand to waive here and Hamas must go. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #94

There's no magic wand yet, so there is a mandatory price to be paid for removing Hamas 0rganism Jan 2024 #98

The cost of the alternative is not going to be TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #109

There might be more than one alternative, don't you think? 0rganism Jan 2024 #132

What, exactly, ForgedCrank Jan 2024 #141

generally, I recommend intensive ongoing diplomatic efforts to engage creatively and constructively 0rganism Jan 2024 #155

Professional diplomats have tried for decades TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #159

Well, they'll have to figure it out this time around 0rganism Jan 2024 #171

Okay, give your prefered "calibration point". TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #178

To ask that question is to misunderstand my comment 0rganism Jan 2024 #187

You mention the Athenians thucythucy Jan 2024 #202

So you ask Israel to endure more murders rapes? edisdead Jan 2024 #123

Seems to me, we should all work towards finding another way. 0rganism Jan 2024 #137

it isn't murder. It's war. edisdead Jan 2024 #157

War being a subclass of Murder, I'll have to disagree on principle 0rganism Jan 2024 #158

Go ahead and disagree. edisdead Jan 2024 #160

That's Just Silly: 'Murder' Is A Sub-set Of 'Killing' The Magistrate Jan 2024 #194

Also I guess we should ignore hours-long response delay by the IDF... brush Jan 2024 #114

Chalk it however you like because it changes nothing TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #181

So you just throw up your hands and let the violence go on? brush Jan 2024 #183

'the UN holding an election to maybe get the Hamas admin out' The Magistrate Jan 2024 #204

It may or may not work. But of my post, that's what you focus on, not the prolonged delay of the IDF response... brush Jan 2024 #207

I Was Being Gentle, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2024 #209

Exactly. betsuni Jan 2024 #210

Like I said, an election may or may not work. I didn't take you for a Netanyahu fan. Do ya really think that... brush Jan 2024 #211

So, Let's Look At This A Moment The Magistrate Jan 2024 #213

Ok, you're not curious about the delay. I have nothing else to say to you. brush Jan 2024 #214

So That's A 'Yes, But Too Embarrassed To Say So Straight Out' The Magistrate Jan 2024 #215

Keep up that hardcore attitude, buddy. Go another 75 years of repeating the cycle of violence. brush Jan 2024 #216

Do, Please, Explain: What Is 'Hard-Core' About Pointing Up Conspiracist Lunacy? The Magistrate Jan 2024 #217

I'm for the Biden/Blinken plan that calls for a two-month long... brush Jan 2024 #218

I Certainly Support The Policies Of President Biden In this Matter The Magistrate Jan 2024 #219

Stay uncurious about the multi-hour IDF delay. It suits you. brush Jan 2024 #220

And You Were Beginning To Show Signs Of Recovery.... The Magistrate Jan 2024 #221

Israel can do better. brush Jan 2024 #222

So...what happens if there are new elections in Gaza, and Hamas wins in a landslide? tritsofme Jan 2024 #206

See post 207. brush Jan 2024 #208

Blame Hamas, not "the West." Mossfern Jan 2024 #59

Blame whomever you prefer, just remember to get the word out, 'cause so far the pro-fucking PR has been weak at best 0rganism Jan 2024 #93

These are numbers being supplied by Hamas. nt GuppyGal Jan 2024 #4

That is correct. David__77 Jan 2024 #5

Agree with you 100% Picaro Jan 2024 #11

This will not end well without a change of course. David__77 Jan 2024 #16

the U.S. is not in a diplomatic corner stopdiggin Jan 2024 #19

Your first paragraph is spot on. surfered Jan 2024 #21

Picaro's first paragraph. surfered Jan 2024 #22

Criticizing Lt Calley for machine gunning women and children in a ditch surfered Jan 2024 #25

"All territory will be annexed and the Palestinians will be forced out." That's Netenyahu's stated position, sop Jan 2024 #28

Do you know Hamas stated position? sarisataka Jan 2024 #33

Hamas's position is something are allies should be the opposite of? uponit7771 Jan 2024 #143

I would hope the elimination of Israel sarisataka Jan 2024 #151

That's not even true. tritsofme Jan 2024 #56

What response would you suggest for the countries who support Hamas? perdita9 Jan 2024 #24

You'll never hear any criticism of Iran from that group. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #26

The US overthrew the democratic government of Iran decades ago malaise Jan 2024 #31

Bring it, Malaise. brush Jan 2024 #42

Who Was, Ma'am, Overthrown By Fundamentalist Clerics The Magistrate Jan 2024 #47

Mentioning that makes you an imperialist, obviously. tritsofme Jan 2024 #48

IOKIYNTW: It's Okay If You're Not the West betsuni Jan 2024 #58

One can see why Iran does not like the USA. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #67

"You forgetting that GWB supported the Taliban as well?" Because it didn't happen? EX500rider Jan 2024 #91

They can not like us in hunter-gatherer type numbers TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #117

So What, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2024 #154

It's actually not, but sure. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #63

Most Iranian people do not support their govt JI7 Jan 2024 #111

The response that has worked for a multitude of countries India here recently uponit7771 Jan 2024 #144

Malaise, you rock! I totally agree w/your post. jrthin Jan 2024 #27

We who live it malaise Jan 2024 #29

So very true. jrthin Jan 2024 #36

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If the world were a kind and just place. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #133

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter malaise Jan 2024 #34

What would you call those who specifically target civilians sarisataka Jan 2024 #38

You know SOMETHING will always justify such actions. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #62

Rec. Let the racist, rapist terrorists and their supporters be known. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #134

The implication is pretty clear. That person is implying Hamas are freedom fighters, and I say bullshit to that. To JohnSJ Jan 2024 #184

Hamas is ForgedCrank Jan 2024 #45

Do you consider Hamas to be "freedom fighters"? Was 10/7 justified resistance? tritsofme Jan 2024 #46

It sure does sound like it !! nt GuppyGal Jan 2024 #69

Or Bin Laden, for that matter. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #80

Rec... So far you get Cha Jan 2024 #182

It was really more of a rhetorical question, I think we all know the answer is pellucidly clear. tritsofme Jan 2024 #190

No response speaks volumes. JohnSJ Jan 2024 #185

Hamas is like Mandela? TwilightZone Jan 2024 #49

Good gravy. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #52

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"Pro-Hamas" or "Pro-Palestine" just means "Racist" at this point. They want Jews exterminated. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #55

It was settled for me a while ago. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #64

I firmly reject this comparison LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #199

Anyone calling Mandela a terrorist then was wrong, anyone calling Hamas freedom fighters now is wrong. betsuni Jan 2024 #200

let me make this pellucidly clear JustAnotherGen Jan 2024 #212

It was Rumsfeld who posed the strategic question of the War on Terror... surfered Jan 2024 #32

The real,question for humaniy is malaise Jan 2024 #37

The Real Terrorists, Ma'am The Magistrate Jan 2024 #50

All correct Warpy Jan 2024 #35

I'm with you. It's up to 30,000 now v the 1,200 killed on Oct. 7? That's unjustifiable. brush Jan 2024 #39

maybe you should complain a bit more about the instigators of this cycle lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #177

Oh please. WWll involed many countries on both sides killing millions... brush Jan 2024 #179

This seems to be one topic that even on DU it is not possible to have an intelligent and civil debate. flashman13 Jan 2024 #40

When one side of the argument equates Hamas with Nelson Mendela... TwilightZone Jan 2024 #60

Yes there is; Hell. Or whatever's worse. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #61

I rest my case. flashman13 Jan 2024 #65

You're not wrong. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #153

Someone is equating the Gang Rapist Butchers of HAMAS Cha Jan 2024 #168

Nelson Mandela was described as a terrorist by Hugh ranking members of Western governments malaise Jan 2024 #188

yup Skittles Jan 2024 #165

I am thankful Biden is disregarding the extremist fringes on this issue. nt LexVegas Jan 2024 #43

I'm still voting for Pres. Biden and VP Harris. Lovie777 Jan 2024 #51

Who said they weren't voting for Biden here? Butterflylady Jan 2024 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #145

There are only two sides in this war; Terrorists, and those who oppose them. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #53

Is this fanaticism? Duncan Grant Jan 2024 #106

Good, good! You see the problem. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #112

Some people need to take a chill pill. Aussie105 Jan 2024 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #72

I am. Aussie105 Jan 2024 #74

What you are seeing from Israel is not Western imperialism. Straw Man Jan 2024 #70

"Never again!" Aussie105 Jan 2024 #73

Correction. Straw Man Jan 2024 #78

THIS malaise Jan 2024 #82

But I wouldn't call it "imperialism." Straw Man Jan 2024 #205

Also, Sir, Quite One-Sided The Magistrate Jan 2024 #223

There are a great many that are vexed into a lather TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #76

Well this has certainly turned into a shit show, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #75

Not so much a shit show . . . Aussie105 Jan 2024 #81

Well, I consider it a shit show, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #84

Oh, give the Israelies some credit DBoon Jan 2024 #86

You can't drop terrorists into Israel nocoincidences Jan 2024 #87

You misspelled "freedom fighters" BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #90

You are so right! nocoincidences Jan 2024 #92

A response is one thing. Butterflylady Jan 2024 #100

Starving a population of two million Big Blue Marble Jan 2024 #121

Good, we'll prosecute Hamas for war crimes when their war's over. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #124

Hamas committed war crimes on Oct 7th. Big Blue Marble Jan 2024 #126

So, Hamas and their Palestinian supporters DO deserve a reaction deserving of war crimes? Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #129

So Israel should have bombed nocoincidences Jan 2024 #138

That is such bullshit TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #161

The world knows that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza: Big Blue Marble Jan 2024 #174

" The world knows that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza" Western countries disagree EX500rider Jan 2024 #175

To help you clarify your thinking: Aussie105 Jan 2024 #89

For anyone picking #3, you still have a hard question to answer NickB79 Jan 2024 #95

You picked option 1! Aussie105 Jan 2024 #99

Solution is simple: Eradication. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #101

Sure does suck to suck, eh? 0rganism Jan 2024 #110

That's the war Hamas and their supporters want, mate. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #113

Wow, that's complete nonsense "mate" 0rganism Jan 2024 #147

What Hamas "wants" is eradication of Jews. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #150

Then Netanyahu is playing right into their hands through journaled atrocities and negligible PR 0rganism Jan 2024 #163

Okay, I'll bite. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #167

Thanks for the conversation, we can continue later 0rganism Jan 2024 #173

I picked no such thing NickB79 Jan 2024 #104

Fortunately there exist skilled professionals who could work on answering such questions 0rganism Jan 2024 #103

You have faith diplomats will convince Hamas to revoke their charter? NickB79 Jan 2024 #108

I have more faith in diplomacy than slaughter 0rganism Jan 2024 #116

What evolutionary leaps do you think have occurred in less than a single lifetime TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #180

Technology comes to mind 0rganism Jan 2024 #186

And it's the only one that makes sense malaise Jan 2024 #118

I keep reading about how Hamas wants to complete destroy Israel and the Jewish people. Butterflylady Jan 2024 #115

On Oct 6, no Israeli seriously believed Hamas could kill 1200 of its people NickB79 Jan 2024 #119

What makes you think that? TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #162

Anti-Western contrarianism often leads to illiberalism Sympthsical Jan 2024 #96

Anti-Westies are called "Tankies" or "Werhraboos". Soviets or Nazis respectively. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #97

Nope. Neo-stalinists are 'tankies', but sure toss everyone opposed to our global military hegemony Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #193

+10000000 betsuni Jan 2024 #169

Damn! That's Good The Magistrate Jan 2024 #224

I am taking a 3rd way. I f'ing hate Hamas AND JCMach1 Jan 2024 #102

The majority of Israel's citizens are non-western! LeftInTX Jan 2024 #105

Shows how dangerous oversimplifications can be. Aussie105 Jan 2024 #127

Hamas Health Ministry says 26,422 people Arazi Jan 2024 #120

25k civilian deaths is a damn fine number for a war. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #122

The actual number is probably 10-15k civilians Arazi Jan 2024 #128

Please, they're not Pro-Pal. They're HAMAS puppets. Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #130

"down to 17,000" Skittles Jan 2024 #164

"almost 30,000" Arazi Jan 2024 #166

The people in Iran don't support their terrorist supporting Govt, so why do you ? JI7 Jan 2024 #125

I second that about Muslim colonialists! LeftInTX Jan 2024 #148

Imperialism, colonialism, slavery, wars as uniquely Western racism things is useful for Both Sides propaganda. betsuni Jan 2024 #172

However claudette Jan 2024 #131

No, the West does not own the planet Kennah Jan 2024 #135

The answer to your question is "Yes" without reservation. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #136

Seems to be exactly what they would prefer. Tankies are going to be tankies, no matter the decade. tritsofme Jan 2024 #139

Fucking tankies. Screwing world politics for damn near a whole century now. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jan 2024 #140

DURec leftstreet Jan 2024 #170

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Wow this grave dancing thread is still going! BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #197

As a productive discussion, it never really got off the ground. Aussie105 Jan 2024 #201

Which is why these discussions were designated to the Israel Palestinian group for JohnSJ Jan 2024 #203