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78. Well stated

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I firmly believe the use of the word "genocide" [View all] edhopper Mar 28 OP

Deliberately pushing millions of Palestinians into one area then carpet bombing that area is genocide. lark Mar 28 #1

Netanyahu's plan is to CARPET BOMB Rafah? maxsolomon Mar 28 #49

Now, be fair. Surely some carpet has been destroyed by the bombs. Captain Stern Mar 28 #141

". But I see no evidence that they wish to kill the population of Gaza" Phoenix61 Mar 28 #2

Was the fire bombing of Tokyo or Dresden edhopper Mar 28 #9

Did the country of Japan declare war on another country? Phoenix61 Mar 28 #50

Did Hamas declare war on Israel? thucythucy Mar 28 #64

Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, launched an attack on the territory of Israel.... Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #70

There hasn't been an election since 2006. Phoenix61 Mar 28 #100

Nope. Not the point. Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #158

It is the point. Phoenix61 Mar 28 #167

In your scenario, who pulled the trigger on the last Palestinian? cayugafalls Mar 28 #108

Not sure what you're getting at. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #159

It would fit the definition today. Voltaire2 Mar 28 #62

They were 100% war crimes, and what is happening in Gaza is ethnic cleansing slipping into genocide obamanut2012 Mar 28 #75

What 1 and 2 said. Faux pas Mar 28 #3

Genocide is not just the violent murder of a specific group of people Fiendish Thingy Mar 28 #4

That's utterly useless. Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #71

Yeah, what's the use of having a war if you have to follow rules? Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 28 #99

... Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #160

Two Wrongs don't make a Right Fiendish Thingy Mar 28 #163

The term is being leveraged into meaninglessness. Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #5

Yes, this edhopper Mar 28 #10

Yes, sadly Harmony Starshine Mar 28 #73

Regardless of what party is governing Israel, BunkieBandit Mar 28 #151

Maybe you ought to listen to what Netanyahu and his cabinet are saying and doing . Autumn Mar 28 #6

Hamas turned Gaza into a war zone Mysterian Mar 28 #7

"From the River to the Sea" is a paraphrase of the 1977 Likud manifesto muriel_volestrangler Mar 28 #8

And when Hamas uses it edhopper Mar 28 #12

"From the River to the Sea" Celerity Mar 28 #11

When Hamas, their supporters edhopper Mar 28 #13

Non responsive. Celerity Mar 28 #16

To the point edhopper Mar 28 #17

No, it is simply not answering the legimate questions I asked. There is nothing 'to the point' about non-responsiveness. Celerity Mar 28 #21

Okay edhopper Mar 28 #22

It isn't '2 different ways' in terms of what I am discussing, as some on both sides have and are using it to the extent Celerity Mar 28 #26

We disagree edhopper Mar 28 #28

..and both sides have the one... thomski64 Mar 28 #110

Then what does it mean when Israel and its supporters say it? whathehell Mar 28 #104

You're implying things that aren't there. Mosby Mar 28 #85

No, no I am not, and you are ignoring Likud, (who ARE currently in power) both in their sloganeering and their actions. Celerity Mar 28 #127

Bibi is part of a coalition. Mosby Mar 28 #134

so many RW Israelis, including many in Likud absolutely look at it as a war on all of the Gazans and/or all Palestinians Celerity Mar 28 #139

The last post from twitter is lying. Mosby Mar 28 #147

No it is not lying, as that was the gist (notice it was not a quote) of what he was saying. Celerity Mar 28 #150

Some would rather quibble over the meaning of words than deal with the actual truth. Earth-shine Mar 28 #14

It's ideological desperation Sympthsical Mar 28 #15

Thank you edhopper Mar 28 #19

A righteous rant sarisataka Mar 28 #24

Exactly! Thank you. betsuni Mar 28 #107

The definition from the US Holocaust Museum Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #18

I think edhopper Mar 28 #20

Israel is doing all of the first three Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #23

I think you ignore a lot of important aspects, none of which occurred with your two US examples. BUT hlthe2b Mar 28 #25

What am I missing in this conflict edhopper Mar 28 #27

Barricading food aid and allowing starvation is not something the US did. Netanyahu, has. hlthe2b Mar 28 #33

The US certainly did interdict supplies to Japan sarisataka Mar 28 #35

We did not barricade/blockade them into starving. You can disagree or debate the atomic bomb hlthe2b Mar 28 #38

Just to be clear, I have never spoken in favor of Netanyahu sarisataka Mar 28 #46

... hlthe2b Mar 28 #52

The Allies during World War One did in fact impose a blockade on the Central Powers thucythucy Mar 28 #66

I have not used the term 'genocide' as you accuse hlthe2b Mar 28 #68

I apologize for my mistake. thucythucy Mar 28 #113

"We did not barricade/blockade them into starving." lol, it was literally called "Operation Starvation" EX500rider Mar 28 #129

History will not be kind to Netanyahu and his government PatSeg Mar 28 #37

Yup hlthe2b Mar 28 #39

Well stated obamanut2012 Mar 28 #78

Thank you PatSeg Mar 28 #89

Spot on!! cornball 24 Mar 28 #101

Denial--so many believe to be only a river in Egypt. hlthe2b Mar 28 #40

I could not agree with you more. It's also 100 percent antisemitism as a dog whistle jimfields33 Mar 28 #29

I don't see that at all PatSeg Mar 28 #41

I want talking DU. Just the protesters who support Hamas against Israel. jimfields33 Mar 28 #44

I see PatSeg Mar 28 #47

This is prime example. I'm sorry but I refuse to support this. jimfields33 Mar 28 #67

Likewise PatSeg Mar 28 #69

Agreed wholeheartedly. jimfields33 Mar 28 #94

Hopefully, a better sane world is possible PatSeg Mar 28 #97

Fuck their "genocide" Shit.. TY for the link. Cha Mar 28 #148

"I don't see any protestors who support Hamas" EX500rider Mar 28 #130

wrong obamanut2012 Mar 28 #79

You could not be more wrong. Sky Jewels Mar 28 #91

If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. jrthin Mar 28 #30

Some people would really be happy to prove genocide ripcord Mar 28 #31

I am in no way saying that "Jews" are committing genocide. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #60

Do you think the US firebombing of Tokyo where over 80k were killed and over 200k made homeless ripcord Mar 28 #65

yes, it was a war crime, but it was not yet one obamanut2012 Mar 28 #81

Did we say the things Bibi has about getting rid of Japan? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #93

" Did we say the things Bibi has about getting rid of Japan" EX500rider Mar 28 #132

Sounds like genocide, then. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #136

Actions not words define "genocide" EX500rider Mar 28 #137

Your "what-about-ism" is getting old. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #138

Words have meanings sarisataka Mar 28 #32

nope...i do not wish to give israel an eternal get out of jail free card dembotoz Mar 28 #34

That is for murdering, raping, genocidal, theocratic extremist Arabs and Persian terrorists TheKentuckian Mar 28 #43

how many Palestinians must die? all of them???????????? dembotoz Mar 28 #45

You don't have to... Happy Hoosier Mar 28 #169

It looks more like ethnic cleansing to me. patphil Mar 28 #36

I wish that wasn't true PatSeg Mar 28 #42

ethnic cleansing is in fact an act of genocide. Voltaire2 Mar 28 #61

There is a difference between the two. patphil Mar 28 #74

Fair enough. Voltaire2 Mar 28 #88

If the Israeli's proceed with a military attack on the city of Rafah, I might want to reconsider my position. patphil Mar 28 #142

Genocide has existed on even much more horrific levels. GreenWave Mar 28 #48

I agree You know, I understand the criticism of the Israeli government. ismnotwasm Mar 28 #51

If it were claudette Mar 28 #54

Hamas is the elected government of Palestine ismnotwasm Mar 28 #63

Babies and claudette Mar 28 #117

They've never voted in any country involved in a war. Ace Rothstein Mar 28 #120

Targeting claudette Mar 28 #123

Can you provide a source that Israel is deliberately targeting children? Ace Rothstein Mar 28 #125

It's been claudette Mar 28 #128

So you're being hyperbolic. Ace Rothstein Mar 28 #131

Hospitals should not be used as command posts & bases by Hamas.. EX500rider Mar 28 #135

I understand this, of course. ismnotwasm Mar 28 #152

I don't know claudette Mar 28 #153

Innocent? Darwins_Retriever Mar 28 #84

All of them want that? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 28 #109

Yes claudette Mar 28 #116

But, 30,000 INNOCENT Palestinians are not Hamas. sarisataka Mar 28 #90

"But, 30,000 INNOCENT Palestinians are not Hamas." EX500rider Mar 28 #133

So, then claudette Mar 28 #53

Check out a meeting about remembering the Holocaust sarisataka Mar 28 #59

There is a whole world of things between edhopper Mar 28 #77

Your opinion claudette Mar 28 #121

It's all opinion edhopper Mar 28 #122

Not if it's claudette Mar 28 #124

Which is decided by edhopper Mar 28 #126

RE: "But I see no evidence that they wish to kill the population of Gaza" IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 28 #55

FYI there was no legal definition of genocide as a war crime during WWII. Voltaire2 Mar 28 #56

In WW2 the U.S. firebombed Tokyo ripcord Mar 28 #57

Which were war crimes then as are the current war crimes in Gaza. Ping Tung Mar 28 #95

Do we really want to prosecute FDR post mortem? BunkieBandit Mar 28 #156

If some other country was doing it to some other walled off minority inside their borders... Iggo Mar 28 #58

Really? Would we?? CincyDem Mar 28 #96

Your analogy is flawed. Earth-shine Mar 28 #155

Not the analogy I made. CincyDem Mar 28 #161

Our gov't has condemned China and the Saudis for human rights violations and more, many times in the past. Earth-shine Mar 28 #165

No we wouldn't sarisataka Mar 28 #103

Agree with the premise of this thread Johnny2X2X Mar 28 #72

The WWII Jewish Holocaust is not the only terrible event that is a genocide. There were many before then and many after obamanut2012 Mar 28 #76

And I listed two others edhopper Mar 28 #80

Do you find it interesting that of all the ongoing genocides sarisataka Mar 28 #87

Absolutely Harmony Starshine Mar 28 #82

Which is the purpose of edhopper Mar 28 #83

The purpose is to make the term meaningless or TheKentuckian Mar 28 #92

The U.S. has to stop sending money to Israel used to purchase munitions for its massive killing of innocent people, Squaredeal Mar 28 #86

My previous thread edhopper Mar 28 #98

Do you know Netanyahu has used the term "river to sea" also as to his aim in the region. brush Mar 28 #102

We should focus on the actions and not on the semantics Redleg Mar 28 #106

How about focusing on Netanyahu using the term "from the river to the sea" also? brush Mar 28 #111

Possibly but not necessarily Redleg Mar 28 #105

No one is saying not to criticize Israel edhopper Mar 28 #114

Bookmarked (circular, inescapable, belief systems) Duncan Grant Mar 28 #112

Another redefinition for propaganda in the Pseudo Radicals Dictionary. betsuni Mar 28 #115

Like "apartheid", "anti-Semitism" and so many others in order to fit their "needs". Behind the Aegis Mar 28 #118

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Mar 28 #119

What's missing is intent EX500rider Mar 28 #140

Section 101 (starting at p. 59) of South Africa ICJ case extensively addresses intent (linked). David__77 Mar 28 #144

If Hamas surrenders and the IDF stops then genocide is not the intent EX500rider Mar 28 #146

The word "intent" appears 17 times in South Africa's 84 page document, lapucelle Mar 28 #149

Many of the folks pontificating on *social media* have no understanding of the actual elements of the crime of genocide. lapucelle Mar 28 #145

Bad analogy... MythosMaster Mar 28 #143

Your "stance" on this is purely political, not factual. Jirel Mar 28 #154

Your genocide is a fiction at best and an insidious lie at worst. TheKentuckian Mar 28 #168

Whataboutism TheCynic56 Mar 28 #157

Those who bring up the Holocaust SocialDemocrat61 Mar 28 #162

I agree with your OP.. Mahalo! Cha Mar 28 #164

Agree brettdale Mar 28 #166

3 things regarding the rightwing Israeli coalition government: Martin Eden Mar 29 #170

I agree that watering down the word genocide is bad Bucky Mar 29 #171

I no longer defend Israel in Gaza edhopper Mar 29 #172