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chirurgdecreier

(9 posts)
60. Guns kill people, not people...to take away the guns!!!
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:38 PM
Dec 2012

"Psychopath" is a forensic term. It describes one who has behaved insanely-- PAST TENSE, often with many innocents dea! Usually insane behavior will be disregarded on basis of: "mind my own business." But when 20 First Graders and 6 adults are killed, it is a forensic term that makes us all weep and enraged.

The real issue is who is capable of such an act? The key term is "anomie." It means total lack of human feeling generated for con-specifics due to disorders in the social circuits of the brain. We assume that sometime before the act that got one labeled as a "psychotic," the individual slipped into the world of insanity. Why? Because-- WE ASSUME-- only someone "deranged psychotic" could do such a thing....such a SENSELESS thing!

But think about it; if we itch, we scratch. If we scratch without an itch, then there's something wrong with us? Really?

Chronic pain is pain felt long after the original pain may be gone. So one still feels pain but the PAINFUL stimulus is gone. Does that mean that the sufferer is insane, or does it mean that the brain is rarely a proper conscious decision making computer because it rarely simulates reality?

Autistics get easily frustrated for exactly that reason: their brains fail to adequately simulate reality to their satisfaction. But, as a rule, they are said to turn their frustration on themselves. Self-injuries make that point vividly enough. Yet, we also see them taking it out on objects. However, we rarely see them taking it out on others. But we can't forget that they do take it out on THINGS. Rage, afterall, is rage!

The critical point is that Cho, the Virginia Tech shooter, like Lanza, the shooter of of Sandy Point, was diagnosed as suffering from Asperger's Syndrome, a form of autism. Now, one can say, people are not things so the propensity to damage things in a state of utter frustration, not so abnormal. Well enough, except that research has shown that autistics tend so see people as THINGS because they lack animational empathy and suffer from anomie.

http://autism.yale.edu/initial-topics/4

There is no "scientific" proof that autistics, in their things-state attribution to people are prone to take out their unusually high states of frustration on others. So, it has been proposed that Cho and Lanza were psychotics suffering from "anti-social disorder syndrome," a later-in-life PSYCHOTIC disorder which distinguishes from Hepsberger's, a DEVELOPMENTAL disorder. However, the latter is a forensic diagnosis as it is identified by behavior that had been engaged in and not by a pre-existing neural disorder. Yet, BOTH begin with a total lack of HUMANE FEELING towards con-specifics (of your own kind) and so someone with Hepsberger's, like Cho or Lanza, may well have manifested their young male high hormonal state of aggression towards THINGS, remembering that to autistics people and things are BOTH: THINGS! It is then, when their rage of frustration is directed at other humans as things, that we label them as psychotics rather than autistics. However, could their autistic perspective of others as things have been PERMISSIVE enough to move them to the state of MASS KILLERS...in THEIR minds, just breaking "THINGS"?

We may never know the answer. But, should the answer turn out to be "YES," it should be kept in mind that 1 in 10 births are assumed to be AUTISTIC, that meaning that in their anomie they see PEOPLE as THINGS. That's a lot of potential shooters! But we can't prejudge autistics as was done with "witch trials" several centuries ago. Rather, with so many POTENTIAL mass murders-- potentially (presumably??) able to cross from "autistic" to "psychotic" because of their lack of humane compassion, seeing PEOPLE as THINGS-- we would do well to stop the easy access to assault-type military weapons so indiscriminately on grounds that to forbid their sale would abrogate the Constitutional "freedom" of gun-lovers and gun dealers.

On one hand, as President Obama so well said, we've allowed too long for the inhumane destruction of human lives in mass massacres as if they were THINGS for the sake of the "rights" of extremely lethal weapons to be sold freely. As a result, too many Americans were denied their basic right to "LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS."

On the other hand, we can't pre-judge Hapsberger's autistics or any others. But we can't diagnose mass killers as psychotics only after they mass-kill. Better to deny our society warfare weapons, all USELESS in a civilized community. ff we don't go after the guns, Americans maddened with rage will go after the autistics-- 10% of Americans-- only because we can't control the guns that potentially take them from the category of autistic to psychotic through mass murder. THAT WOULD BE INSANE for autistic PEOPLE are worth more and owed freedom than THINGS like guns are owed freedom of traffic.

nice try but most gun users & killers are not psychopaths - most gun toting killers are sane nt msongs Dec 2012 #1
Apparently many gun owners are content to Skidmore Dec 2012 #2
And thanks for proving the anti-gun point. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #3
but the intent is clear Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #4
Perhaps not "psychopaths", who by clinical definition Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #8
actually they can laundry_queen Dec 2012 #39
Point taken--you're right. The sociopathy/psychopathy Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #43
The worst of them quite commonly are psychopaths who aren't insane Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9
Until they are not. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #15
You completely missed the point as well as what the 2nd Amendment actually says nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #61
Congress has all the authority it needs for the militia in Article I, Section 8, clauses 15 & 16. jody Dec 2012 #5
I call BS RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #6
Please read PA(1776) & VT(1777) constitutions and learn about the right to defend self and property. jody Dec 2012 #7
You might want to learn the structure of the English language. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #10
Apparently you haven't read the Heller opinion. State constitutions written before our Constitutions jody Dec 2012 #11
So do many other writings of the founders. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #13
I picked them because they were the first states to declare rights and they were written before our jody Dec 2012 #19
I cherry pick Hamilton in Federalist 29 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #41
Nice add ... the founders were not in agreement on all things. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #55
Yup. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #58
Please quote the section of FP 29 that says what you think it does. X_Digger Dec 2012 #57
No, it's not. Igel Dec 2012 #18
So now, please reframe the 2nd Amendment to fit your model. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #34
Hamilton will agree with you in Federalist 29 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #42
Thank you for rationality... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #30
The subject is "the right of the people..." immoderate Dec 2012 #36
The right of the people to keep and bear arms is in support of the well regulated Militia, so JoePhilly Dec 2012 #37
Exactly! RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #63
Where did you learn the English language RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #62
The militia clause is a gerund clause. Technically, there is no verb. immoderate Dec 2012 #65
The dates (1776 and 1777) being the pertinent Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #12
Come on, that's been ridiculed so many times it's no longer funny. nt jody Dec 2012 #24
Not by any of the mentally stable, socially responsible people I know... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #35
Apparently I'm the only one of those you've met and you won't listen to me. jody Dec 2012 #40
Don't flatter yourself...and I won't either. Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #45
You should also notice it makes no mention of the "purchase" of said weapons. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #14
And "sale and purchase is not mentioned" for tools to exercise the other rights. What BS. jody Dec 2012 #16
Not really ... you've heard of the right to free speech, yes? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #17
So you support someone possessing any firearm they construct? nt jody Dec 2012 #20
I think that is closer to what the founders intended. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21
3D printing really opens up the options for those who want to make their own. nt jody Dec 2012 #23
At least when you gave up, you did so in an obvious manner. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #27
LOL have a blissful evening. nt jody Dec 2012 #29
You didn't need to quit twice. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #33
Ha! neverforget Dec 2012 #38
Well I do - but they have to test fire it personally intaglio Dec 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jody Dec 2012 #28
In other words you have no reply except to imply I am a drug addict intaglio Dec 2012 #66
I found your post difficult to follow. You say "Essentially you lack knowledge of subordinate jody Dec 2012 #67
No Heller did NOT test the priority of the clauses intaglio Dec 2012 #68
We disagree. Please explain why the opinion and dissent discussions of the clauses do not jody Dec 2012 #69
intaglio please explain how "Heller did NOT test the priority of the clauses". jody Dec 2012 #70
I think you got this right ... those who don't want to find a solution prefer to JoePhilly Dec 2012 #31
No, because if you read it correctly RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #64
NO NO NO...its about the security of the state, not personal defense sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #32
C: None of the above. nt Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #26
In the 18th century the militia also served in constabulary roles nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #47
Yeahs it you asked nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #50
What do you mean backwards nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #51
A well regulated Militia says nothing about how we care for the mentally ill. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #49
Joe. never mind. I am self-deleting. You guys have fun. I am outta this thread. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #52
I'm not sure we are having fun ... but you should as always decide where you want to debate JoePhilly Dec 2012 #53
looks to me like you guys are having a whale of a feel good time. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #54
In a day and age where the Constitution has been trampled by the Bush Admin rhett o rick Dec 2012 #46
Best summary of the 2nd Amendment bongbong Dec 2012 #56
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59
Interestingly enough, every time someone speaks in front of an NRA backdrop these days, Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #71
Guns kill people, not people...to take away the guns!!! chirurgdecreier Dec 2012 #60
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