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In reply to the discussion: Which one is Orwellian? [View all]
 

Motown_Johnny

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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:26 PM
Feb 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian


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"Orwellian" is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson" — a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments. Often, this includes the circumstances depicted in his novels, particularly Nineteen Eighty-Four.





In My Opinion .... your examples do not fit this definition.


Also


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Fascism (pron.: /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.[1][2] Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training.[3][4] Fascism utilizes a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation upon fascist principles.[5] Fascism views direct action including political violence and war, as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, spirit and vitality.[3][6][7]





How in the world did you jump to fascism when all I did was express an opinon that your examples do not fit the definition of "Orwellian"? It appears that you are the one who has a problem with people who simply do not agree with you.

Words have meanings and you are not using Orwellian or Fascism correctly.
Which one is Orwellian? [View all] patrice Feb 2013 OP
Hum! If 'Responsible collaborative empirical analysis and evaluation' is applied before it goes down freshwest Feb 2013 #1
Good point. But I am assuming that that is part of our responsibility, i.e. to create the political patrice Feb 2013 #2
OMGawd, I'm not ready for that on an empty tummy. But in passing, and I will try to work on it; freshwest Feb 2013 #4
BTW, did you see the World drought projection maps posted here earlier this week? patrice Feb 2013 #3
TPTB aren't ignoring it. Check their actions to see what's up. freshwest Feb 2013 #5
My guess is about everything thing we see on an international scale IS about those drought maps patrice Feb 2013 #12
I suspect their push for global etc. comes from this. Anyone unwilling to change, won't make it. freshwest Feb 2013 #13
Thank you, freshwest! You help me get balance. It's so hard to describe how I'm not patrice Feb 2013 #14
neither BainsBane Feb 2013 #6
If Orwell wasn't writing about something extracted from human experience, inferred like lots of patrice Feb 2013 #8
no, it means I see no relation BainsBane Feb 2013 #9
That's okay, nevermind. nt patrice Feb 2013 #11
(IMO) BainsBane is correct Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #15
You have a right to IMO & so do I that is unless I am an unperson & you are a fascist. FOUR fingers! patrice Feb 2013 #19
So, you're only for collaboration that agrees with you? Why is that NOT fascism? Please tell me. nt patrice Feb 2013 #20
. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #21
The traits that you quote, in bold type above, can also be the same traits of ANY patrice Feb 2013 #25
False dichotomy. You'll get a lot of passes on this I think. Glassunion Feb 2013 #7
Facts always are what they are or they would not be facts. They can, however, be viewed from patrice Feb 2013 #10
I think you increasingly like to grab words, redefine them, and operate from the perspective TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #16
Make of it what you will. & Accord to me the same right to make of it all what I will. FOUR fingers. patrice Feb 2013 #17
And if you can't do that, perhaps you should consider explaining why your aren't a fascist. nt patrice Feb 2013 #18
1. Fascist doesn't mean failure to accept random definitions knitted out of thin air and pretending TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #22
We agree about more than you realize, except for disrespect, the hallmark of fascism. FOUR fingers. patrice Feb 2013 #24
This thread and another come to mind with this same word. TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #26
Neither. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #23
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