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chieftain

(3,222 posts) Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:00 PM Jun 2013

Funny thing about The Guardian, [View all]

I remember seeing any number of accurate and damning stories about W and the lead up to and conduct of the War in Iraq. None of these exposes had the legs that this story on the collection of phone records has had.
So I wonder why.
And I think of the "left wing" drumbeat against Obama in 2010 and the pluperfect disaster that will be with us for a long time because of depressed Democratic turnout.
I believe that the threads on DU which warn us about being manipulated into a repeat of 2010 are spot on.

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Funny thing about The Guardian, [View all] chieftain Jun 2013 OP

+1 and it's relentless, day in day out, week in, week out graham4anything Jun 2013 #1

the Bush stories had legs enough Enrique Jun 2013 #2

Bingo. forestpath Jun 2013 #4

Obama was against illegal wiretapping. He voted for this type of data gathering when he was Senator mn9driver Jun 2013 #57

Bullshit. He called for FISA orders to be examined. DirkGently Jun 2013 #59

His Senate votes and his 2008 campaign material have more credibility with me than your profanity. mn9driver Jun 2013 #61

Yes he sold out quickly on the issue. DirkGently Jun 2013 #62

You fail to address the question you claimed to know the answer to: mn9driver Jun 2013 #66

that's assuming DU has the power to depress Democratic turnout in any way burnodo Jun 2013 #3

DU is just a reflection of Democratic activists. jeff47 Jun 2013 #32

Plenty of these "activists" are "keyboard activists" and we've also seen our share of MADem Jun 2013 #40

And some of them are zombie keyboard activists...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #52

You got that right! nt MADem Jun 2013 #58

Well, this is also a rightwing horror... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #5

their "trap" burnodo Jun 2013 #7

These "improper actions" have been committed by every administration since... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #12

So you agreed with Bush's policies in this regard? burnodo Jun 2013 #14

Cute-- of course not, but I don't agree with kneejerk, either... TreasonousBastard Jun 2013 #15

Oh Jesus, not the 2010 myth again. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #6

I don't believe I said there was a drop in Liberal voters. chieftain Jun 2013 #19

LOL-- so your contention is that the Left voted for Obama in 2010, but their negative thoughts made Marr Jun 2013 #23

+100 nt truebluegreen Jun 2013 #28

No, in 2008, the liberals brought those people to the polls jeff47 Jun 2013 #34

Not their negative thoughts. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #36

There is no basis, besides personal dislike, for you to claim Union Scribe Jun 2013 #46

I thought they "borrowed" it from Washington Post. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #8

Don't think so. chieftain Jun 2013 #20

People need to get over this goddamn team sport mentality Matariki Jun 2013 #9

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #10

If I understand your post you are calling me chieftain Jun 2013 #21

What? Your post makes no sense. n/t MirrorAshes Jun 2013 #24

Funny thing how some folks walk right over the not only admitted, not only defended, TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #11

well said G_j Jun 2013 #25

Wow. You understood that? Demit Jun 2013 #56

That's it. The TEA Party made Obama spy on millions of Americans DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #13

I think you get the prize for missing the point of the OP by the widest margin. chieftain Jun 2013 #22

The baggers aren't spying on Americans. Obama is. That's been established DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #30

No. We're saying you should pay attention to everything else that's going on. jeff47 Jun 2013 #35

The President really shouldn't have derailed his agenda with this spying stuff DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #37

You have that backwards. jeff47 Jun 2013 #38

Either way, Obama has eclipsed his own legislative priorities by spying on constituents. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #41

You're doing a great job helping the plan along. Keep it up. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #42

And what do you suppose you're doing, given your willingness to excuse spying? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #43

I'm not excusing anything. My outrage started 8 years ago. jeff47 Jun 2013 #44

So then you should be outraged that money that could be used to address hunger GoneFishin Jun 2013 #54

There's a lot of problems with spending priorities. jeff47 Jun 2013 #64

Obscene that you would use the poor as such a transparent ploy Union Scribe Jun 2013 #48

Unanimous jury vote bananas Jun 2013 #49

wow i can't believe that post was alerted on. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #55

I recommend actually reading my posts instead of the version in your head. jeff47 Jun 2013 #63

If it's such a non-story why did Obama make a speech about it and pursue the "leaker"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #16

you're right - that right-wing rag - The Guardian is just making this shit up Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #17

I didn't say that The Guardian is a right-wing rag. chieftain Jun 2013 #26

So you're saying it's not The Guardian, but the way we read The Guardian muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #18

No. chieftain Jun 2013 #27

I don't look back, I fight back. Herlong Jun 2013 #29

Nope, it's the Guardian. ucrdem Jun 2013 #33

Well, the thread starter disagrees with you muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #45

That's because numerous places were reporting W exposes marshall Jun 2013 #31

I agree, a leftwing rag criticizing a democrat for rightwing activities markiv Jun 2013 #39

The only organization that has the power to get me to stay home in 2010 is Autumn Jun 2013 #47

but the author of the PA is outraged, why now? mercuryblues Jun 2013 #50

Greenwald didn't start "writing" for the Guardian until 2012... SidDithers Jun 2013 #51

And it's a funny thing about the Guardian - ever notice how its eyes follow you around the room? kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #53

Indeed! +1,000,000!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #60

What you are experiencing... 99Forever Jun 2013 #65