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ocpagu

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114. I'm trying to bring the subject to discussion.

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:21 PM

Sep 2013

I've seen several threads criticizing Russia's homophobic law. Judging by them, one could have the impression that Russia is the worst offender of gays rights.

But they aren't. Far from that. The worst offenders of gays rights, such as Saudi Arabia, are rarely criticized on DU.

I'm just pointing to a fact. If you don't want to discuss this as an adult, ok, no problem, you can simply ignore. But don't come with a childish argument such as I'm "derailing the thread" as a response to valid, honest criticism on hypocrisy.

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Video Depicts Horrific Attack on Gay Man in Russia [View all] William769 Sep 2013 OP

No words maddezmom Sep 2013 #1

OMG. DevonRex Sep 2013 #2

Russian clergy have been known to participate in some of these. That's what I stevenleser Sep 2013 #3

I think we are closer than any one thinks. William769 Sep 2013 #5

Dictatorships are like that. Rex Sep 2013 #4

... William769 Sep 2013 #7

I agree. HappyMe Sep 2013 #16

I don't see him any different then Saddam Hussein. Rex Sep 2013 #17

The rise of crazy religious leaders is very scary. HappyMe Sep 2013 #22

Well when I think about those two words Rex Sep 2013 #23

Exactly. HappyMe Sep 2013 #27

I thank my lucky stars to be born in America. Rex Sep 2013 #29

No kidding. HappyMe Sep 2013 #32

Putin is overwhelmingly popular in Russa LittleBlue Sep 2013 #56

His approval rating is so high because birds of a feather flock together. William769 Sep 2013 #58

Oh, so Russians are all a bunch of homophobics... ocpagu Sep 2013 #66

If the shoe fits.... William769 Sep 2013 #70

Hey, I'm not the altruist LGBT russophobic activist here, sir. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #92

Could have fooled me. William769 Sep 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Sep 2013 #6

Reccing for exposure. This is disgusting. morningfog Sep 2013 #8

The Olympics should boycott Russia. Rex Sep 2013 #9

I support that. I have general disdain for the Olympics anyway. morningfog Sep 2013 #10

They should never be held in a dictatorship imo. Rex Sep 2013 #11

Since they're not going to, I'm boycotting the Olympics and their sponsors. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #21

And it been in continuance Iliyah Sep 2013 #12

And such atrocities are neither investigated nor prosecuted MineralMan Sep 2013 #13

It's a shame on the rest of the world also turning a blind eye. William769 Sep 2013 #14

Yes. Holding up Putin as some sort of hero, MineralMan Sep 2013 #15

It's really horrible. ocpagu Sep 2013 #18

Using a photo of hanged gay men in IRAN to try & make President Obama look worse than Putin is SICK! Turborama Sep 2013 #131

Great detective work, Turborama Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #147

I'm glad you got pizza for this shit...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #150

The Russian people are not happy with Putin's encouraging of this stuff. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #19

Disgusting....I hope we succeed in ruining their Olympic ! Sand Wind Sep 2013 #20

Cher is publicly declining an Olympic invitation in protest closeupready Sep 2013 #24

GTMA! William769 Sep 2013 #36

Because hate crimes are exclusive to Russia and Putin should be made responsible for all of them. ocpagu Sep 2013 #25

Because nobody anywhere ever can chew gum and walk simultaneously. closeupready Sep 2013 #26

The kind of abuse related in the OP... ocpagu Sep 2013 #30

Please quote the laws in the U.S. that relate to the OP William769 Sep 2013 #35

? ocpagu Sep 2013 #39

Deflection doesn't help either. William769 Sep 2013 #40

I'm aware of the law. It's awful, but it doesn't authorize torturing or raping. ocpagu Sep 2013 #44

Ignoring the fact? Guess again. William769 Sep 2013 #45

Well... ocpagu Sep 2013 #96

See here. William769 Sep 2013 #98

Neither do I. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #108

Posted wrong place. William769 Sep 2013 #97

That's ridiculous. Crimes happen against all people everywhere.That is a completely irrelevant point stevenleser Sep 2013 #143

And s/he paid the price for it.... Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #148

And some are still trying to defend her... stevenleser Sep 2013 #152

Nobody is saying that. HappyMe Sep 2013 #28

There is no excuse for violence of this type anywhere FreeState Sep 2013 #33

+1 Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #37

But we're not actually "walking and chewing gum", are we? ocpagu Sep 2013 #41

This isn't my OP - the OP is about Russia and whats going on there FreeState Sep 2013 #43

Very true. HappyMe Sep 2013 #42

But in the US it is a crime that will be prosecuted treestar Sep 2013 #55

What? Where in the OP was Putin even mentioned? maddezmom Sep 2013 #126

But...but..but...what about the US?! France? Israel? Mars? Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #31

That subtle homophobia is already happening in this thread n/t FreeState Sep 2013 #34

Like flypaper, these types of threads are. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #38

And it continues to attract key-jinnglers. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #49

Subtle? (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #62

Good point FreeState Sep 2013 #65

The biases generally stop being subtle once it involves international politics Posteritatis Sep 2013 #68

But that is exactly my point. ocpagu Sep 2013 #81

Saudi excesses do come up here. They don't get defended nearly as actively as Russian ones do. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #82

Now we are all Russiophobes! Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #69

Bullshit. ocpagu Sep 2013 #71

Oh but any gays speaking out against this are Russiophobic? Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #74

No, trying to diminishing what is happening is homophobic n/t FreeState Sep 2013 #76

I agree. ocpagu Sep 2013 #83

You keep bringing up Saudi Arabia in this thread. William769 Sep 2013 #91

My focus is Latin America. I've made some threads already. ocpagu Sep 2013 #111

Thankfully we have non-gay people to tell us this is all really about something else. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #90

Some people are not sophisticated enough to recognize subtle homophobia. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #133

Video Depicts Horrific Attack on Gay Man in Obama's America.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #46

What laws has President Obama passed to incite that crime? William769 Sep 2013 #48

Obama signed NDAA law... ocpagu Sep 2013 #57

Grasping at straws! Well at least your trying. William769 Sep 2013 #59

You got no answer right? I assumed that. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #64

That was the only answer. It 's just not what you wanted to hear. William769 Sep 2013 #72

No answer there. ocpagu Sep 2013 #85

Just asked Mrs. Junkdrawer(a BIG gay rights friend for the 22 yrs. I've known her): Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #87

It has nothing to do with Syria, we've been posting about this all year FreeState Sep 2013 #99

There's one big problem with that logic... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #106

It's a stats thing. Here's a DU Goggle search. See the time trend? Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #113

I saw that there were threads from January and May in there. Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #118

Some. Very few. Look, I've been on DU a LONG time... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #121

I've also been on DU a LONG time.... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #127

You are "minimizing" though. MADem Sep 2013 #128

The laws were not passed until June of this year. William769 Sep 2013 #129

The straws broke and they drowned.... Turborama Sep 2013 #141

... William769 Sep 2013 #142

Oh please. HappyMe Sep 2013 #51

Putin's thug-dictatorship has laws on the books that make it "OK" to hate on gays. MADem Sep 2013 #52

I was under the impression that the law in question makes... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #53

Oh, so it's not okay to hate on them, just to proscribe their activities and existence. Got it. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #63

No, you don't Got it. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #67

'Propagandizing gay culture' to anyone under eighteen MADem Sep 2013 #84

He knows very well what going on. William769 Sep 2013 #54

Well, all I can say is, he's certainly MADem Sep 2013 #86

Didnt know Obama was looking into taking children away from Gay parents FreeState Sep 2013 #60

Here is great read from Cher...... Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #47

Gay rights must be universal Stupefacto Sep 2013 #50

Just sick. These attackers are just insane. gtar100 Sep 2013 #61

Jesus. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #73

Look at some of the posts in this thread. William769 Sep 2013 #75

Yeah, some people here seem chronically unable to get away from "my side-your side" type thinking. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #78

I agree wholeheartedly with everything but one thing you said there... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #110

I'm not an expert on Russia, by any means. Still I think there has been some anti-Democratic moves Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #112

Impartial international observers gave mixed reviews to the last Russian presidential election. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #134

It's a blatant attempt ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #93

Exactly! William769 Sep 2013 #95

Exactly! ocpagu Sep 2013 #100

Who started this thread, you? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #105

Don't see any kind of relevance about starting the thread or not. ocpagu Sep 2013 #107

Oh bullshit ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #109

I'm trying to bring the subject to discussion. ocpagu Sep 2013 #114

Derailment is only childish for the one doing it. ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #117

Your answer is empty. Your only "argument" is name-calling. ocpagu Sep 2013 #119

Yup ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #122

Again, nothing but name calling. n/t ocpagu Sep 2013 #124

Yes, a classic case of trollish thread derailment. And for the purpose of bigot apologia no less. stevenleser Sep 2013 #144

Saudi Arabia isn't hosting the world--including the Big Gay World--for the Olympics next year. MADem Sep 2013 #130

Why can't we grant political asylum to all of Russia's gay people? Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #77

Your right it's all about what's happening to a group of people William769 Sep 2013 #79

There are countries that do include sexual orientation as a reason for asylum. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #80

That is an excellent idea ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #102

The State Department eased the rules for Russian LGBTs in 2012. DevonRex Sep 2013 #149

Good on the State Department, I'm happy to hear this. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #151

Ugh Jfico89 Sep 2013 #88

Welcome to DU and FRP. uppityperson Sep 2013 #89

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #125

Sign the Human Rights Watch petition to the IOC... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #101

Thank you! Many may not have seen this yet. Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #103

I hate to admit that I hadn't been paying much attention to the Olympics thing... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #123

Thanks for posting. William769 Sep 2013 #104

I hadn't signed this ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #115

It needs to call for boycott OF the IOC, whose history is vicious and dank Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #116

Don't forget Uzbeckistan MNBrewer Sep 2013 #120

the problem is that nothing is being done to those who commit these acts JI7 Sep 2013 #132

Worse, they're getting "liked" by haters on Russian facebook-equivalent. MADem Sep 2013 #137

flvegan's Blackwater is just one Powerball win or serious donor away. flvegan Sep 2013 #135

horrible Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #136

I've said it once and I'll keep saying it davidpdx Sep 2013 #138

I doubt Russia will ever get over Stalin killing off most of the smart people that lived there. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #139

Putin silently condones this. He's a coward. Dash87 Sep 2013 #140

It's worse than that. He's deliberately using this to increase his power and prestige. stevenleser Sep 2013 #145

Heres a great piece you'll find interesting. William769 Sep 2013 #146