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CthulhusEvilCousin

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Sun Dec 22, 2013, 07:02 AM
Dec 2013

"Traditional Judaism firmly believes that death is not the end of human existence. However, because Judaism is primarily focused on life here and now rather than on the afterlife, Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal of room for personal opinion. It is possible for an Orthodox Jew to believe that the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven, or that they are reincarnated through many lifetimes, or that they simply wait until the coming of the messiah, when they will be resurrected. Likewise, Orthodox Jews can believe that the souls of the wicked are tormented by demons of their own creation, or that wicked souls are simply destroyed at death, ceasing to exist.

Biblical References to the Afterlife

Some scholars claim that belief in the afterlife is a teaching that developed late in Jewish history. It is true that the Torah emphasizes immediate, concrete, physical rewards and punishments rather than abstract future ones. See, for example, Lev. 26:3-9 and Deut. 11:13-15. However, there is clear evidence in the Torah of belief in existence after death. The Torah indicates in several places that the righteous will be reunited with their loved ones after death, while the wicked will be excluded from this reunion."

Rest at link: http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm

For Samuel's rest being spoken of as being "disturbed," Christ speaks of hell and "Abraham's Bosom" as being within visual sight of one another, the latter being a place of rest:

"And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."
(Luk 16:21-26)

As for "that the Messiah meant the 'Word becoming flesh... - or a Savior whose death would vicariously atone for the sins of the world."

Check, for example, Rabbi Joseph Ben Uziel again, identifying the Messiah as God:

“The prophet said to the house of David, For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and He has taken the law upon Himself to keep it. His name is called from eternity. Wonderful, The Mighty God, who liveth to eternity, The Messiah, whose peace shall be great upon us in His days.” (The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uziel] tr. by C.W.H. Pauli)

A significant paraphrase, since modern Jews interpret the Son's identification as the "Mighty God" as just part of a very long name, nor do they read the Messiah into it.

From the Babylonian Talmud

"The Messiah --what is his name?...The Rabbis say, The Leper Scholar, as it is said, `surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God and afflicted...'" (Sanhedrin 98b)


A reference to Isaiah 53, which Philip, a Jew, also reads as a prediction of the Messiah:

"And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus."
(Act 8:31-35)

For such language as 'The Word of God" in the first place, this also has long history among the Jews, unrelated to Platonic thought.

From Dr. John Gill's commentary on John 1:1

"The phrase, מימרא דיי, "the word of the Lord", so frequently used by the Targumists, is well known: and it is to be observed, that the same things which John here says of the word, they say likewise, as will be observed on the several clauses; from whence it is more likely, that John should take this phrase, since the paraphrases of Onkelos and Jonathan ben Uzziel were written before his time, than that he should borrow it from the writings of Plato, or his followers, as some have thought"

I wish they would make that into a graphic! napkinz Dec 2013 #1
also from facebook.com/beingliberal.org napkinz Dec 2013 #2
Great poster.....n/t mercymechap Dec 2013 #5
from facebook.com/ConservativesAreDestroyingOurFuture napkinz Dec 2013 #3
Robertson is not going to be excused by cloaking his bigotry in religion. PM Martin Dec 2013 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #6
you're cute ... maybe we will get to keep you. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #7
Why did the writer quote Leviticus? BKH70041 Dec 2013 #8
This is the dichotomy....... you make sense..... they don't world wide wally Dec 2013 #10
Well, you're almost right... griloco Dec 2013 #11
See post #17 CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2013 #18
Everyone who has ever had even a cursory exposure to Fundamentalist Protestants Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #12
Actually CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2013 #17
that does not change the fact that the vast majority of Fundamentalist Protestants do rely on Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #19
Point taken CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2013 #20
There is still no refernce to hell anywhere in the Old Testament and only the vaguest of Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #21
The quote I provided CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2013 #22
the witch of Endor is about the only reference I can think of in the Old Testament - in regards to Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #24
Read here: CthulhusEvilCousin Dec 2013 #25
Huh? The OT doesn't count? progressoid Dec 2013 #13
I now give you one new commandment above all the rest.... world wide wally Dec 2013 #14
Unless you are a masochist. progressoid Dec 2013 #15
So the author of Romans also wrote the following, about Phil the Duck Guy: Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #29
You are kidding, right? jmowreader Dec 2013 #37
It spelled with an o... God MattBaggins Dec 2013 #38
These Duck dudes are from Louisiana, right? SCVDem Dec 2013 #9
Bingo! I live in the 'moran' state of Louisiana . . . fleur-de-lisa Dec 2013 #34
This was originally sent to Dr. Laura years ago. Quixote1818 Dec 2013 #16
I read a Facebook / Duck guy Phil meme the other day which.... rppper Dec 2013 #23
This reminds me of a classic West Wing episode Gothmog Dec 2013 #26
God's Tweet napkinz Dec 2013 #27
K&R nt Zorra Dec 2013 #28
I'm looking forward to Phil's response. Martin Eden Dec 2013 #30
Thanks for the list. As Anne Lamotte said: catbyte Dec 2013 #31
K&R napkinz Dec 2013 #32
Juanita Jean has some good comments about Robertson Gothmog Dec 2013 #33
from Bartcop today ... napkinz Dec 2013 #35
posted by Americans Against The Tea Party ... napkinz Dec 2013 #36
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