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whatchamacallit

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412. I see your point

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 04:28 PM

Dec 2013

Last edited Mon Dec 23, 2013, 05:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe we can agree that certain appearance choices we make do invite looking, just not the obnoxious, salacious gazing depicted in the video. Still, if a guy had a belly tattoo of a big arrow pointing to his junk, and wore his shirt unbuttoned to display it, would he be blameless for the looks he got? (Lol, sorry for the absurd example).

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INDIAN AD TURNS THE MALE GAZE BACK ON ITSELF AND IT'S AWESOME [View all] redqueen Dec 2013 OP

I loved that. LumosMaxima Dec 2013 #1

Love the music in that! Matariki Dec 2013 #2

K&R BainsBane Dec 2013 #3

Kicked and rec'd. Iggo Dec 2013 #4

That's brilliant. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #5

Wow! Really, really, well done...and powerful. PDJane Dec 2013 #6

The 'mirror' idea is xulamaude Dec 2013 #7

k and r--thank you for sharing this very powerful piece. niyad Dec 2013 #8

In the other thread on this video BainsBane Dec 2013 #9

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #327

lol Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #331

quit slut shaming women. against du rules. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #348

I wasn't shaming anyone. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #360

that is EXACTLY what you are doing. the women that dress like THIS is ASKING for it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #363

Did you miss that one of the women in the ad was wearing full face and body covering? Number23 Dec 2013 #457

Yeah, leave the slut shaming to the pros... Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #376

Rape and murder are just hysterical BainsBane Dec 2013 #395

Ah, we've gone from male gazing to rape and murder! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #404

Yeah, because that is the point of this ad BainsBane Dec 2013 #408

Might be the point of the ad, but clearly wasn't the point of my comment. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #410

Well, I encourage you to think about context BainsBane Dec 2013 #416

I encourage you to not make unfounded comments on what I have not said. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #420

like "leave the slut shaming to the professionals" BainsBane Dec 2013 #422

Seems to be a very popular phrase, used almost exclusively by certain HoFers. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #434

You just used it BainsBane Dec 2013 #436

OK, you got me. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #446

Actually context matters BainsBane Dec 2013 #454

So the term "slut shaming" is OK, as long as it is used to club a perceived misognyst? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #459

It is not a term I typically use BainsBane Dec 2013 #460

Oh, you mean we should dress like this? BainsBane Dec 2013 #386

It's clear we need another video CrispyQ Dec 2013 #390

True story. CFLDem Dec 2013 #458

Very good video. SouthernLiberal Dec 2013 #10

And how much effort did she put into looking that good? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #328

and men. we have had many conversations about this. you tell us. biological. cant be helped. seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

What the heck? Seriously, are you okay?! nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #34

what the heck? seriously, wtf are you talking about?! seabeyond Dec 2013 #37

Your post is incoherent. Is everything okay? Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #44

ya demo, lilke you would be the one i would be looking to if everything was not ok. whatever. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #46

Your dislike for me aside, I remain concerned. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #49

I don't know if you have a certain dislike xulamaude Dec 2013 #53

the person who alerted on me did not have a problem. the jurers who almost hid the seabeyond Dec 2013 #55

I have no negative feelings for you or for SEA... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #56

"drunk or seriously screwed up" xulamaude Dec 2013 #58

sigh... my name is seabeyond. i had a glass and half of red wine, oh.... 5 hours ago. seabeyond Dec 2013 #60

Well, I am TRYING to be nice... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #97

telling a man to go up to strange hot women and offer them 50 for a bj concerns me. hmmm, seabeyond Dec 2013 #98

he did what? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #103

linky goodness geek tragedy Dec 2013 #270

Thank you for the link and after doing some reading in the other thread I feel Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #284

Maybe some of that, but also just because someone is a Democrat or left-leaning geek tragedy Dec 2013 #300

that group is not an economic group Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #306

The Gungeon has had its share of banned users over the past year or so. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #310

I am referring to old time DUers who have been posting here for years. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #318

It's both surprising and unsurprising how 'liberal men' can sound like Ayn Rand worshippers geek tragedy Dec 2013 #320

Yes, let me just say I am underwhelmed and leave it at that. - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #322

"Perhaps we can actually watch enlightenment occur" ? Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #330

About Jester Messiah I advocate violence. the end. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #334

I do, in fact. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #356

you're cute ... maybe we will get to keep you. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #359

D'awww, look who doesn't have an argument. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #362

just not engaging you. no need for me to do this. read the thread. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #370

Oh don't mind me, I'll just be over here checking my "privilege." Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #373

does it bother you that I don't mind you? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #383

Would it bother you if I said no? Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #387

this series of your posts is utterly offensive. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #391

Taking offense is basically the SJW official pastime. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #396

are you feeling better today? you know what? i got 'er done. seabeyond Dec 2013 #478

Holy shit. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #293

Becaues men harassing women is not considered a violation of DU community standards. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #297

I read in another thread that DU could use some women administrators. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #302

Took having a bad-ass militant feminist wife for me. Someone who would actually geek tragedy Dec 2013 #304

I was called 'dear' persistently in a thread....even after I asked to not be called that. I was msanthrope Dec 2013 #490

this poster told us no ick, shame, value judgment on men buying schoolgirls soiled panties from seabeyond Dec 2013 #315

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #323

Because the way to find a life partner BainsBane Dec 2013 #425

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #439

There you go again BainsBane Dec 2013 #442

LOL - it's like a parody of Tom Cruise's pitiful sleazeball character in Magnolia Matariki Dec 2013 #470

Again, I say that I understand seabeyond just fine. xulamaude Dec 2013 #104

It makes sense to me. Ino Dec 2013 #149

i am gonna take you along with me, on my trip posting thru out du. your posts of my post... seabeyond Dec 2013 #152

I doubt there are many who honestly can't understand your posts. redqueen Dec 2013 #158

thank you redq. lots of people talk to me. about what i actually post. i have to ASSume, they are seabeyond Dec 2013 #161

I generally tend to lend more credence to posts which don't need to be translated into English first EOTE Dec 2013 #273

personal insult for no better reason than, just cause. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #274

Not an insult of any kind. Just an observation. EOTE Dec 2013 #290

I found it clear. treestar Dec 2013 #256

thank you tree seabeyond Dec 2013 #259

I have no problem understanding what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #312

and you 1strongblackman, thank you. i appreciate it. and... seabeyond Dec 2013 #317

Yes and yes. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #262

This thread is a re-post pintobean Dec 2013 #192

That is unkind and unnecessary ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #245

ya, well. i have gone from man hater to mentally unstable. another poster below. and the men are seabeyond Dec 2013 #250

Apologize for my genuine concern? No, sorry, I prefer to maintain what little soul I have left. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #261

No your disingenuous attempt to portray concern for the posters well being ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #283

I was actually concerned... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #308

Your transparency is apparent. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #313

You are still being disingenuous ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #325

I imagine you may even think many people believe that allegation... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #294

Seriously... NCTraveler Dec 2013 #338

and condescending. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #365

Made sense to me. Are you sure you're ok? nt DLevine Dec 2013 #195

I can't believe I had to do jury duty on your post - and even worse, that 3 jurors scarletwoman Dec 2013 #42

wow. hm. i am really kinda stumped on this. ok. i have been gettin lottsa alerts. seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

I don't always agree with you, but I damn well recoginze a vendetta when I see it. scarletwoman Dec 2013 #48

thank you scarlet. i know we are not the best of pals. that would be integrity, i recognize seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

Or, chase her away from DU... chervilant Dec 2013 #194

as well as silence others BainsBane Dec 2013 #197

This saddens me, chervilant Dec 2013 #207

You really should expand your jury blacklist. Matariki Dec 2013 #473

thank you. and the women made me late last night. wooosh, was it work seabeyond Dec 2013 #475

and... seabeyond Dec 2013 #477

Did you alert on those juror comments? BainsBane Dec 2013 #196

misogynist thug tactics via the jury system. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #263

If I saw my gaze reflected back at me CFLDem Dec 2013 #12

at her expense? really? your right proceeds a womans right to wakl in public without being made seabeyond Dec 2013 #13

"something beautiful" LeftyMom Dec 2013 #14

a THING. yup. and we all see when we are being seen as a THING. and no. not a compliment, do not seabeyond Dec 2013 #15

I especially like the "some*thing* beautiful" KitSileya Dec 2013 #189

Yep. Some THING. Sums it up, doesn't it? Matariki Dec 2013 #474

what's your metric to determine a stare from *winky wink* enjoying someTHING BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #16

It's situational and dependent upon social intuition. CFLDem Dec 2013 #20

"It just is what it is." chervilant Dec 2013 #212

Thread suck. :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #17

she is a thing, huh? bettyellen Dec 2013 #19

All people can be things in certain regards. CFLDem Dec 2013 #21

Yeah, I don't know anyone who considers themselves a thing, so don't try that crap bettyellen Dec 2013 #22

Hmm... We must be on two different wavelengths. CFLDem Dec 2013 #24

that is a fail. because you do not consider others. or how your behavior interferes seabeyond Dec 2013 #25

Please enlighten me CFLDem Dec 2013 #28

"checking them out." checking them out for what? if they are fuckable? what are you checking out? seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

What do you think? CFLDem Dec 2013 #35

Let's try this angle: do you think women appreciate you staring at them? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #39

LeftyMom, this has to be one of my all time favorite responses EVER! MuseRider Dec 2013 #419

Alright, yeah, that was REALLY creepy. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #51

all i can think with the way he talks is has watched so much porn, pornifies women on the seabeyond Dec 2013 #54

That's a nice journey through the strawman patch CFLDem Dec 2013 #72

Well Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #487

I agree. CFLDem Dec 2013 #75

Should people listen when other people tell them they don't like being ogled? countryjake Dec 2013 #138

I imagine many, many creepy guys ask themselves that very question in order to better rationalize th LanternWaste Dec 2013 #198

Checking them out? MineralMan Dec 2013 #208

"I'm not that arrogant." yes. this. we all look at people all the time. we notice all kinds of seabeyond Dec 2013 #209

Really? CFLDem Dec 2013 #218

i would say the difference is the person that has experienced this unwanted attention for a couple seabeyond Dec 2013 #228

What do you mean by admiring someone? CFLDem Dec 2013 #215

Recognition of someone's appearance is almost instantaneous. MineralMan Dec 2013 #225

Thank for the explanation. CFLDem Dec 2013 #229

and this would be another issue we women have. we say it over and over and over. are ridiculed, seabeyond Dec 2013 #233

His explanation was polite, understanding, and articulated. CFLDem Dec 2013 #241

and every other women that you replied to. us mean, nasty women. just shut the fuck up and stand seabeyond Dec 2013 #248

Again with the assumptions and hyperbole CFLDem Dec 2013 #279

chip on the shoulder? and i suppose i should own it, cause you give it to me? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #282

You not only own it, you bought the T-shirt, too. CFLDem Dec 2013 #343

ah, more insults. personal attacks. cause you behavior fails. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #346

You should trust the truth CFLDem Dec 2013 #350

warrior princess... you are coming off immature now. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #351

another thank you. and how about a woman that walked into the shop, with that group of men with seabeyond Dec 2013 #231

When someone came into the shop, those guys were almost always gone. MineralMan Dec 2013 #244

i wasnt referring to your father. he sounds stand up. my father. where i learned to expect respect seabeyond Dec 2013 #252

My father cleared out the morning coffee crowd by opening time every day. MineralMan Dec 2013 #258

good for him. good for you. i totally get it. i grew up with it. makes life clear. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #260

Thread suck.2 nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #26

The only thing that surprises me BainsBane Dec 2013 #86

As 'they' like to (not) say: xulamaude Dec 2013 #89

You are sexist... chervilant Dec 2013 #220

So because I'm not an androgynous robot CFLDem Dec 2013 #222

That you don't recognize your sexism chervilant Dec 2013 #230

Oh I know. I'm dead serious. CFLDem Dec 2013 #232

You have my sincere condolences. n/t chervilant Dec 2013 #281

The feeling is mutual. nt CFLDem Dec 2013 #345

Maybe the problem is we don't understand what you are saying. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #342

classic. the poster attacks dimisses all comments from women. ONE man posts, and he thanks for the seabeyond Dec 2013 #234

I was just going to comment on that!! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #238

classic. that is all that can be said. in the face obvious. perfect example of seabeyond Dec 2013 #240

It's so funny, and all they do is deny deny deny. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #242

Me too. So damn obvious. Glad he was called out on it. Matariki Dec 2013 #480

It's not just staring that's creepy. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #23

Women are beautiful things to be enjoyed. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #27

No, people are beautiful things to be enjoyed. CFLDem Dec 2013 #29

i have been around a lot of good looking men, and i am around a lot of good look young men now, seabeyond Dec 2013 #31

That's kind of creepy. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #65

uh... grabbin' heart, you got me. geez, with you all shootin your arrow with your snickering seabeyond Dec 2013 #67

Reasonably certain that if I posted about my teenage daughter in that way Bonobo Dec 2013 #79

you would be labeled a creep for NOT seeing them as " beautiful things to be enjoyed." seabeyond Dec 2013 #84

You know what I find creepy? UtahLib Dec 2013 #100

it really is getting to be very obvious that sea is being alert stalked. and Yeah, it is creepy. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #108

It seems obvious to me that some people are judged much more harshly than others. UtahLib Dec 2013 #165

you are a member of the community, yes. kind of like a civic duty is how I look at it ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #172

oh do. i am really fair when on jury. it is... like, integrity. that is way more important than seabeyond Dec 2013 #182

With out a doubt she is being alert stalked.... Little Star Dec 2013 #301

agree. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #305

so i say out loud... i think i am nice, too. sons look at me, lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #319

+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2013 #347

it's only creepy because you are looking at it a certain creepy way which it is not JI7 Dec 2013 #116

"Good looking" ? FBaggins Dec 2013 #203

hmmm? seabeyond Dec 2013 #205

Just seems an odd double standard. FBaggins Dec 2013 #236

fuckin for real? my boys are good looking. so, what does that mean? do tell. seabeyond Dec 2013 #239

Already answered. FBaggins Dec 2013 #251

lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #254

He's pointing out your obvious double standard in your post. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #265

yes. i get where you men are TRYING to go. your FAIL is in that i am NOT sexualizing the dudes seabeyond Dec 2013 #269

These individuals see sex in everything. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #352

you know nc. as i am sitting here wondering about being called a creep for saying good looking, seabeyond Dec 2013 #355

I am really sick of some of the things aimed at you here. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #375

+1! CrispyQ Dec 2013 #421

thank you. i gotta get outta of my house. seabeyond Dec 2013 #433

No more snow. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #467

oh he is. he is home. has been for a week. the world is right again... lol. AND seabeyond Dec 2013 #469

tahnk you nc. that really is the intent if a person really wants clarification. but then, i am seabeyond Dec 2013 #432

are you really arguing if a man says my daughter is good looking someone would call him a creep? seabeyond Dec 2013 #271

The whole point of your incessant fixiation on eyeball rape/pornification/patriachy/misogeny Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #369

then you do not listen well old. whole point of all these conversations is stress the sexualizing seabeyond Dec 2013 #374

word salad, served with a side of hypocrisy. nt Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #377

ya. the quaint mens group diss of me. pathetic. lame. old. seabeyond Dec 2013 #378

In other words, "I'm a victim!" Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #382

do i look sound or feel like a victim? hell no. i will point out your stupid ass games every seabeyond Dec 2013 #393

Forgetting what you post is clearly a feature. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #413

keep refusing to understand what the issues are so you can continually present a strawman. seabeyond Dec 2013 #414

To be honest you do CFLDem Dec 2013 #415

link or it didnt happen. throwing out unfounded accusations seabeyond Dec 2013 #431

Oh noes CFLDem Dec 2013 #437

you made a specific statement. most of my posts are strawman. link... that is not wild assumptions seabeyond Dec 2013 #451

This is called commodification. To reduce the human body to something that is consumed. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #33

i am wondering if he thinks we ought to just stand there. before him. let him run eyes up and down seabeyond Dec 2013 #36

The disparity between seeing someone as physically attractive and the male gaze is vast. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #40

Women do the same thing, too. CFLDem Dec 2013 #47

Well, two points need to be made here... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #50

Gravitycollapse, IMO yours is the most important point in the thread. Threedifferentones Dec 2013 #296

good post. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #321

Outstanding post, particularly this: CrispyQ Dec 2013 #448

+1 for you and Gravitycollapse Matariki Dec 2013 #481

Assumptions assumptions CFLDem Dec 2013 #43

Nice bait and switch. CFLDem Dec 2013 #38

Here, right now, we are talking about the commodification of the female body. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #41

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #340

you are going thru out these threads slut shaming women. knock it the fuck off. that is about one seabeyond Dec 2013 #344

I'm not shaming anyone. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #361

yes. you are. they dress like this so they ask for it, deserve it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #366

So you deny that women deliberately present themselves as eye candy Ace Acme Dec 2013 #371

defining them as eye candy is your issue. quit slut shaming. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #380

Why do you think they do it? BainsBane Dec 2013 #392

Why do you think they do it? elias7 Dec 2013 #488

"This is called commodification. To reduce the human body to something that is consumed. redqueen Dec 2013 #154

Just watch one hr of tv to see it. Xmas commercials are the worst. nt. countryjake Dec 2013 #168

Fiat ads are some of the worst IMO. redqueen Dec 2013 #178

Those little cars are so damned cute, CrispyQ Dec 2013 #462

But who are those commercials aimed at? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #381

So if I stood there Texasgal Dec 2013 #418

It depends CFLDem Dec 2013 #423

?? Texasgal Dec 2013 #426

Well you were using yourself in the scenario. CFLDem Dec 2013 #428

Ofcourse you wouldn't. Texasgal Dec 2013 #456

I don't think you understand the premise of the male gaze. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #32

He's not the only one Major Nikon Dec 2013 #62

The male gaze is one of those terms that has outgrown its original meaning. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #77

I know a whole bunch of Third Wave Feminists who'd be surprised to hear they've been led astray Orrex Dec 2013 #409

It's perfectly acceptable for them to take issue. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #468

3rd diverted. fourth is coming on strong. the are more badass than any 2nd. they are seabeyond Dec 2013 #479

Yes, I suppose you are right. The 4th wave is coming. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #482

Oh no, you just defended the MALE GAZE LittleBlue Dec 2013 #57

Good heavens - the Cleavah is strong. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #59

Welcome to DU LittleBlue Dec 2013 #63

Just downright... crazy... xulamaude Dec 2013 #73

I suspect "welcome back" is more apropos for that one. opiate69 Dec 2013 #74

"welcome back" ? xulamaude Dec 2013 #80

Oh, they probably think you are the dreaded Iverglas BainsBane Dec 2013 #91

Sock puppet is pretty tough to deny in this case. Bonobo Dec 2013 #94

inveigle, er, rather iverglas is FAR from being our only serial troll around here, dear. opiate69 Dec 2013 #95

No, really? BainsBane Dec 2013 #102

Ah yes, the dreaded xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

I know iverglas. You are no iverglas. I will take that bet. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #115

I'll agree with that! xulamaude Dec 2013 #118

We are cool. Me and You. Did not mean it to sound otherwise. Just that like with Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #120

Chill Tuesday. All is well. :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #122

cool beans. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #135

I have to admit it crossed my mind.. Upton Dec 2013 #101

snork! opiate69 Dec 2013 #107

That'd be: 'poor woman's version' xulamaude Dec 2013 #109

that is fuckin' funny. lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #117

It seems now even my gender is in question. BainsBane Dec 2013 #124

Poor man, poor woman, xulamaude Dec 2013 #128

Okay, if I'm a poor man BainsBane Dec 2013 #129

C'mon, you just hate somebody else having to xulamaude Dec 2013 #131

Wouldn't I be then be the one hating to pay BainsBane Dec 2013 #134

Oh noe! You strained my lady brainz! xulamaude Dec 2013 #137

i dont shop. seabeyond Dec 2013 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Dec 2013 #142

It's a joke, dude BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

bah hahahaha. LUV the gif. love it. so much, i am running into other room to show son. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #153

Get him to set up your jury blacklist BainsBane Dec 2013 #160

OMG. LOL. Poor MAN has nothing to do with gender... xulamaude Dec 2013 #150

ya. i thought that funny, talking this out with a bunch of feminists, lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #157

No need to speculate BainsBane Dec 2013 #88

Oops. opiate69 Jan 2014 #491

So what was the offensive post? BainsBane Jan 2014 #492

No idea. I imagine it need not have even been a post. opiate69 Jan 2014 #493

"bad rubbish" BainsBane Jan 2014 #494

No... "bad rubbish" meaning "repeat troll". opiate69 Jan 2014 #495

It wasn't wilfull BainsBane Jan 2014 #496

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xulamaude is not iverglas BainsBane Jan 2014 #498

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I thought that stuff about the other website was a reference to Iverglas BainsBane Jan 2014 #500

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like that FB page BainsBane Jan 2014 #502

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You have no way to know that BainsBane Jan 2014 #505

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Oh, that again??? opiate69 Jan 2014 #504

Oh, well. It's an "affiliated" DU page BainsBane Jan 2014 #506

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I had no idea you were on there BainsBane Jan 2014 #509

What if. . . BainsBane Jan 2014 #510

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You may want to work on that BainsBane Jan 2014 #513

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The odd part is you think folks are talking about you BainsBane Jan 2014 #515

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okay BainsBane Jan 2014 #518

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You were alerted on... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #106

lmao.. well.. someone won't be alerting for a day.. thanks! opiate69 Dec 2013 #110

Yeah, that's why I shared. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #111

now I'm glad I re-upped my star today and added a few to my blacklist. opiate69 Dec 2013 #114

Wow, thanks for pointing that out BainsBane Dec 2013 #126

damn. i forgot to do mine. gotta get on it first thing in the morning. so many.... lol nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #143

Add that one for sure BainsBane Dec 2013 #147

pssst seabeyond Dec 2013 #159

Always a relief to have one's petulance validated by others. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #303

Although that wasn't my alert BainsBane Dec 2013 #132

Uncalled for. Some people are prolific posters. MineralMan Dec 2013 #275

The message is indeed powerful! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #18

Some woman who agrees with this post explain to me.... Logical Dec 2013 #61

Two rules of thumb: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #66

Your definition of staring is what? nt Logical Dec 2013 #68

Oh come off it, you're not a freshly landed alien. You know what staring is. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #69

I am serious..... Logical Dec 2013 #71

Would you do it if it were known to her? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #76

I see your worry.... Logical Dec 2013 #82

"Maybe I should." - You should and you shouldn't. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #90

Well, they do not know her at that point, so all they see is is a person... Logical Dec 2013 #96

They don't see a person. They see an object. A receptacle. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #105

" beautiful things to be enjoyed." this is the difference. from the youngest of age boys are taught seabeyond Dec 2013 #112

I agree I don't own you.... Logical Dec 2013 #121

Not directed at me, but xulamaude Dec 2013 #127

I imagine that is not enjoyable.... Logical Dec 2013 #130

Good. Thinking is good. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #133

for those moments, with that look on the face, that is exactly what you are doing. her body is yours seabeyond Dec 2013 #136

I would bet you are wrong on as many as you are right on.... Logical Dec 2013 #200

thank you for taking it to personal. cause it is not like men do not regularly take it to personal seabeyond Dec 2013 #202

Funny, I can tell ANY disagreement with you means I took it personnel..... Logical Dec 2013 #206

"Maybe bad experiences have jaded you" that is NOT taking it to the personal? seabeyond Dec 2013 #210

No, just an observation. how does that make me sound angry? nt Logical Dec 2013 #211

you totally created "make me sound angry". where did that come from. yes. you took it to seabeyond Dec 2013 #213

Ok, and if I said I could read all women's looks your reaction would be??? nt Logical Dec 2013 #214

again. i repeat. women see this from about 11 or 12 yrs old. do you get that? do you understand seabeyond Dec 2013 #237

Ok, your position is clear! It will help with future posts you make! nt Logical Dec 2013 #246

Right. Women are not taught to value men's looks. They're taught to value their money. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #384

on. now the golddigger thing? women are becoming more and more financially independent seabeyond Dec 2013 #397

Much as one might imagine that an absolute lack of experience allows LanternWaste Dec 2013 #314

Its not complex. Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #188

Excellent post. Thank you. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #329

If they don't want to be eye candy, why do they present themselves as if they do? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #354

more bold and empowered in your slut shaming. your posts need to be addressed. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #358

Are you denying that women present themselves as eye candy in public? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #364

that is how YOU define them. that is YOU saying they deserve what they get. they ask for it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #367

I'm asking if they're not asking for it. There's a difference. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #385

i gave you the info below, right off the bat. and you continued post after post of slut shaming, seabeyond Dec 2013 #399

You are not allowed to make this observation! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #398

no. he has made a statement that she is asking for it. that would be slut shaming. you do not need seabeyond Dec 2013 #403

Did he call this sexy women a slut? Or did you? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #407

did you ignore what i posted, you know, the post you replied to? ya. you did seabeyond Dec 2013 #411

Simple question....who used the term "slut shaming"? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #417

He did BainsBane Dec 2013 #430

read it. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #444

The larger point is that you don't like how "my group" speaks? BainsBane Dec 2013 #449

Sorry, this is an anonymous posting board. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #461

No, I may not have control over a lot of what goes on BainsBane Dec 2013 #464

Of course not. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #472

What could possibly be wrong with me BainsBane Dec 2013 #485

Maybe it's comfortable. Maybe they're following a fashion trend. gollygee Dec 2013 #465

You sound like seabeyond. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #471

Shall I say what you sound like? gollygee Dec 2013 #476

@ "better yet"... Go L Mom! :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #83

Ask yourself this one simple question Warpy Dec 2013 #81

Why not a man or a woman? Because men might be violent? Nt Logical Dec 2013 #85

My guess? 'I'd be flattered of course!!' xulamaude Dec 2013 #87

I would just ignore it. That works for me. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #388

It's confusing, really? BainsBane Dec 2013 #169

I'm guessing that 'The Male Gaze (c) (tm)' is... Shandris Dec 2013 #64

It's more polite than saying "creepy perv," I suppose BainsBane Dec 2013 #93

I guess that could be, and probably easier to talk about in a scientific... Shandris Dec 2013 #119

If you're familiar with the concept of the Male Gaze, I don't know why you seem to be confused. redqueen Dec 2013 #167

I'd hope you have a good idea why! Shandris Dec 2013 #191

LOL, no. You threw out strawmen and pretended the issue is the same for men and women. redqueen Dec 2013 #326

This message was self-deleted by its author Shandris Dec 2013 #483

On second thought, I'll drop my original response to you. Shandris Dec 2013 #484

I agree 100% with this video. Catherine Vincent Dec 2013 #70

Just about everyone can almost always control where they look. redqueen Dec 2013 #171

Good point per showing some respect. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #438

Female idealization of men Bonobo Dec 2013 #78

I would agree that in the romance novels and soap operas treestar Dec 2013 #268

The funny thing is that this is a misunderstanding of the concept of "Male Gaze". Bonobo Dec 2013 #92

heh.. good catch.. opiate69 Dec 2013 #123

"the pile-on treatment" xulamaude Dec 2013 #145

... opiate69 Dec 2013 #151

Always remember that xulamaude Dec 2013 #162

opiate will post the same picture for the next 6 months or until a post is hid. pit bull'ish. seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

... opiate69 Dec 2013 #170

interestingly enough... opiate69 Dec 2013 #164

That's what I thought-- I'd always heard it used in reference to writing. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #253

From the same article ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #288

Worldwide cosmetics sales reached $170 Billion lapfog_1 Dec 2013 #113

Your point? BainsBane Dec 2013 #140

So...it's wrong to check out women now? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #125

Surely by your age you've figured out the difference BainsBane Dec 2013 #139

I have. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #144

Ogling isn't about attraction to someone BainsBane Dec 2013 #148

If a woman or man ogled me, I'd like it. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #181

If you had gone through your whole life BainsBane Dec 2013 #185

I suppose I would. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #186

Let's not be obtuse here. We are not debating the premise that sexual attraction exists. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #156

K&R demmiblue Dec 2013 #155

I've got a sure cure for "Male Gaze".. Upton Dec 2013 #166

So if we don't cover up, we're asking for it? nt redqueen Dec 2013 #173

Asking for what? Upton Dec 2013 #175

A pretty "female". Perfect. redqueen Dec 2013 #180

And many women dress for themselves, shockingly. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #183

thank you. i keep being told i am dressing for everyone in the world and never is it myself. seabeyond Dec 2013 #184

'checking out a pretty female?' MineralMan Dec 2013 #219

Say MM CFLDem Dec 2013 #224

Read my reply to your other post. Yes. There is a real difference. MineralMan Dec 2013 #226

You might benefit by acknowledging that chervilant Dec 2013 #227

Yes, that is the point BainsBane Dec 2013 #174

Your post is oddly apropos in its threatening demeanor. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #176

I fail to see any threatening demeanor in my post.. Upton Dec 2013 #177

I realize you fail to see the threatening demeanor of your post. That's the point. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #179

He understands BainsBane Dec 2013 #190

Its a losing battle you can not win, Soundman Dec 2013 #199

men are all that, women are not. you are gonna teach your granddaughter not to give it away, but seabeyond Dec 2013 #201

No, not really. Soundman Dec 2013 #217

"are you okay?" ah. questioning my mental stability. what a man.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #243

No, you know, I think you're wrong. MineralMan Dec 2013 #221

You raise a question Soundman Dec 2013 #235

exept you do what is typical male and ignore the womans sexuality. she was equally attracted. seabeyond Dec 2013 #257

No conflict at all. The attraction was mutual between that woman and MineralMan Dec 2013 #264

A can't disagree Soundman Dec 2013 #280

Girly men? Really? This post belongs on a cave wall, not a progressive discussion board. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #266

Your words not mine. Soundman Dec 2013 #272

Um, "low t and heavy doses of estrogen" is pretty clear on its face nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #277

that ole emotional estrogen.... nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #285

I am willing Soundman Dec 2013 #292

You were talking about the desire for multiple partners, etc. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #298

There you go again Soundman Dec 2013 #311

You don't have to be that way treestar Dec 2013 #276

Nah, Soundman Dec 2013 #287

Then it doesn't have to be generalized to other men then does it? treestar Dec 2013 #291

I have to admit that Soundman Dec 2013 #299

the fact he totally dismisses, ignores the womens sexuality, you know, the one he is doing it with, seabeyond Dec 2013 #289

You're anatomical biochemistry needs a little work ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #307

You have a valid point, Soundman Dec 2013 #316

With all the legislation either passed or proposed this year to limit women's reproductive rights, MerryBlooms Dec 2013 #445

That's actually a physical artifact of male gaze, not an antidote. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #187

"People who want to reduce women to "7 out of 10, would bang" find a way." redqueen Dec 2013 #333

That doesn't work either ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #286

Awesome video. Thank you. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #193

Excellent video. Thanks for posting it. nt MineralMan Dec 2013 #204

Rec yardwork Dec 2013 #216

The Male Gaze... davidthegnome Dec 2013 #223

good post but a couple things. you say women are appealing, men not so much. that is something seabeyond Dec 2013 #267

You make some good points. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #309

thank you for this post. was a fun post. seabeyond Dec 2013 #324

Thank you for this post. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #335

This, & not just men. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #406

It's not that hard to figure out ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #278

None of it is polite or considerate. redqueen Dec 2013 #336

Thank you for that. CFLDem Dec 2013 #424

A poor choice of words on my part. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #427

Try being a young gay attractive woman Aerows Dec 2013 #247

... ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #295

Obviously, you should have chosen not to be attractive. Duh. Orrex Dec 2013 #400

"Hey creep, quit staring at my Tramp Stamp!" whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #249

Exactly. "Quit staring at the cleavage I have so carefully wrapped up and put on display." Ace Acme Dec 2013 #332

for like a decade i did not buy any new tops or pants because the ONLY thing out there were tops seabeyond Dec 2013 #337

I agree with the notion that women should be able to wear whatever they want whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #341

Nobody is "asking" for anything based on their clothing choices. redqueen Dec 2013 #357

That woman is indeed making a statement whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #368

Wow. redqueen Dec 2013 #372

Hey redqueen whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #379

Ok let me ask you this. What if they'd shown women on a beach? redqueen Dec 2013 #394

I see your point whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #412

I agree they definitely needed to add a beach scene. CFLDem Dec 2013 #429

ah. now you have just taken off the mask and going around purposely trying to be offensive. so mad seabeyond Dec 2013 #435

Actually I was positively supporting CFLDem Dec 2013 #440

Are you admitting it's rude to stare, or are you just being rude? nt redqueen Dec 2013 #441

I've always admitted that staring is rude. CFLDem Dec 2013 #443

Well it looked upthread like you were rationalizing it, redqueen Dec 2013 #447

No I rationalized glancing. CFLDem Dec 2013 #452

The men in the video aren't doing that, though. redqueen Dec 2013 #453

People can get whatever tattoos they want gollygee Dec 2013 #466

more slut shaming. i see you go into another thread to continue your slut shaming. against du rule seabeyond Dec 2013 #349

Yeah, I really need to cut these things off to keep men from ogling me BainsBane Dec 2013 #405

She didn't put it on display treestar Dec 2013 #463

Can you name any body art on men that's referred to with a slur aimed at his enjoyment of sex? redqueen Dec 2013 #339

You're right, the slang term for that particular adornment is demeaning whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #353

Oddly enough it was a woman who first alerted me to the term "tramp stamp". Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #450

Gorgeous people in that treestar Dec 2013 #255

When I get one of "those" looks deaniac21 Dec 2013 #389

pretty dumb santroy79 Dec 2013 #401

107 recs so far BainsBane Dec 2013 #402

I love that. 'Look at yourself, you pig.' K&R closeupready Dec 2013 #455

That was very well done and a powerful message. /nt Ash_F Dec 2013 #486

+1 rec. Thanks, red. nt. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #489

Zombie threads. Gotta love them. I would say I looked at around 40 women today Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #512

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #517

Lol. Damn big ears. I gazed at her longer than a second. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #521

You aren't supposed to look at a tattoo? oberliner Jan 2014 #520